Accidental breeding

[Danegirl2208]

oh my..hopeing and praying for the best down here!

[wolfsoul]

Isoflourine is a good one, and there is another new that my vet used on Hottie. Let me find out what it was. They open at 11 today.

Yes, I asked for isoflurane when my rat had his surgery. It's good because 99% of it leaves the body when the dog breathes (because it's a gas). I think when everyone hears anesthetic they think of IVs and such. We have people that come into the shop to do teeth and everyone at the shop tells them it's safe for old dogs because it's "aneastethic free" but I think that's silly because older dogs have just as good a chance at making it as younger ones with the kinds of stuff we use today.

I'm not sure why Isis wasn' spayed at 7 or 8, I didn't know Marla back then. Spirit was spayed at 8 with no problems. I definatly plan on spaying Visa when she's done -- as they get older, they have an increased chance of pyometra. Way too scary for me!

[borzoimom]

The isoflourine is safe. I called my vet. The other one we used on Hottie was just to "make him stupid" but it wont be enough for a C section or a spay. She also told me vets know that a herding breed or sighthound especially that they dose for a lighter body weight.

[king2005]

[QUOTE=wolfsoul]
I'm not sure why Isis wasn' spayed at 7 or 8, I didn't know Marla back then. QUOTE]

Could it be part of the contract, since she is co-owned? Because then Marla would have had no choice but to keep her natural.

[cyber-sibes]

I have to admit I'm stunned that she wasn't spayed earlier. Breeders, of all people, should know better. I hope she's gonna be ok.

[GreyhoundGirl]

Hopping for the best !

Poor Isis.

[chocolatepuppy]

So sad. I hope Isis isn't pregnant.

[wolfsoul]

I asked Marla why Isis wasn't spayed -- it was a stipulation of the contract to keep her open until another litter was born. By the time she and Isis' owner were no longer in contact, Isis was already nearing her senior years. She left her at the vet to get her teeth cleaned and have her spayed, but the vet didn't spay her -- said that it was too risky to put an older Belgian under anestethic (this was like 4 or 5 years ago, different vet). The vet said she would go through menopause (which doesn't even exist in dogs, so we find) and would stop her heat cycles etc anyways. She did stop her cycle eventually, strangely enough.

It's so strange-- she is acting completey normal -- Loki is acting completely normal, Jasper is acting completely normal. She's gone back to beating the tar out of Loki and he's gone back to ignoring her. She isn't swollen, she isn't bleeding. If they hadn't have been found tied, nobody would have known she was in heat. She hasn't been in heat for a long time.

[crow_noir]

I know this is a family forum, but the nature of this makes me wonder...

Even spayed wolves in captivity have been known to engage in that activity just because they want to during mating season.

I wonder if perhaps Isis and Loki were just ... umm... In the mood?

I asked Marla why Isis wasn't spayed -- it was a stipulation of the contract to keep her open until another litter was born. By the time she and Isis' owner were no longer in contact, Isis was already nearing her senior years. She left her at the vet to get her teeth cleaned and have her spayed, but the vet didn't spay her -- said that it was too risky to put an older Belgian under anestethic (this was like 4 or 5 years ago, different vet). The vet said she would go through menopause (which doesn't even exist in dogs, so we find) and would stop her heat cycles etc anyways. She did stop her cycle eventually, strangely enough.

It's so strange-- she is acting completey normal -- Loki is acting completely normal, Jasper is acting completely normal. She's gone back to beating the tar out of Loki and he's gone back to ignoring her. She isn't swollen, she isn't bleeding. If they hadn't have been found tied, nobody would have known she was in heat. She hasn't been in heat for a long time.

[wolfsoul]

I wondered the same thing, actually! It's very out of character for them, as Isis hates Loki's guts, and her back legs are bad (her breeder kept her in a crate for 5 months as a pup, messed up her back legs) so she doesn't stand much, but it is strange for her to be in heat suddenly, and with no sign of it. No blood, no swelling. Since the incedent there have been no advances from either one of them. All of the other dogs are acting normal. Although, the females in the household DO come into heat at the same time, and Jag and Jazz were both set for late October (both still haven't come in though). Guess we'll never know.

[borzoimom]

hmmmmmmm good point crow noir. I only heard about that happening one time in my life- but yes- the female was tied although spayed from a younger male that got "creative" and misunderstood a slight anal gland infection made her smell like to him as being in season..
They can tell if she was spayed by a ultrasound..

[finn's mom]

I hope she isn't pregnant, that would be sad for her, poor ol' lady. And, it's strange to me that a vet would not anesthetize for a teeth cleaning. If the reason they wouldn't spay was because she was too old to go under, but she was getting her teeth cleaned anyway...ah, well, either way. I hope Isis is all right!

[wolfsoul]

They didn't use anaesthetic -- we have some people that come to the shop that clean teeth that don't use anaestethic either, even for extractions. The dogs and cats are surprisingly good. They just use herbal spray to relax them.