Muhammad cartoon row intensifies

[Lady's Human]

Agreed, Liz. His comments were the most sensible remarks on the whole affair.


(Liz, you're scaring me, this is three times we've agreed in the last month)

[RICHARD]

Let's pull out the PIT BULL card.


Same difference.


A few pits attack and kill people.

"let's ban the breed!"

Why?

Because of the few bad ones out there?

Dogs cannot figure right from wrong. They go by instinct.

In order for ANY GROUP to be looked at without a jaundiced eye, let them clean their own porch before they demand the neighbors clean theirs.

I am amazed that people who have not seen a cartoon would want someone dead. (I also heard that people were clamoring for kidnappings and more violence against the west...)

this is the first time I have seen anyone buring flags and effigies in the street, shooting Ak-47s into the air or planning for kidnappings over a cartoon.


It truly is mystifying.

[popcornbird]

LH, there is a difference between insulting a country, and insulting God's prophet that billions believe in and love so deeply. I wouldn't really care if someone said something offensive about a Muslim 'country', but a cartoon of Prophet Muhammad with bombs strapped around him...... That just infuriates me. It is kinda of like how a Christian would feel if someone did such a thing against Jesus, and published it for all the world to see. Of course Christians would be very angry. I'm sure Muslims would join Christians in the anger too, because we believe Jesus is a prophet of God and love him. Offending a 'country', and doing something like this, that is basically attacking the vital beliefs of 1/5th of the entire world population is a completely different thing. I can't understand blaming the whole Denmark for it. I'm only angry with those responsible, and yes, they need to apologize/take action against it.

[Lady's Human]

PCB, people make similarly offensive statements about Christ all the time (the Last Temptation of Christ(movie) Piss christ (a theoretical work of art), the list is endless, yet the Christian world does not call for the offender's head on a platter, as many imams and the "arab street" have done. Salman Rushdie is STILL underground because of a fatwah against him from decades ago. We have our wingnuts,(Pat Robertson) but they normally don't incite entire populations to riot and burn flags.

Again, I support the actions of the Danish government, not because I agree with the cartoons, but because to steal a quote "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it until my death".

[Pawsitive Thinking]

A few fanatics are being spoon fed by the media (or paid) to blow this out of proportion..................the world is in a bad enough state as it is without this sort of nonsense

[caseysmom]

There was a british man on a talk show this morning that said a few of the facts weren't making it over to the american press...one of those was that for months none of the muslims in Denmark cared about the cartoons and then an iman in another country made some pictures of what he thinks the Danish think of muslims and this got people up in outrage when he had made those up himself. Those are different drawings than the original 12 cartoons but were highly offensive.

Not sure of fact 2, I had to come in to work.

[popcornbird]

Very honestly, I think the media blows anything that has to do with Muslims out of proportion. Their reason? I don't know, but it seems to me they have a goal of turning the world against Islam and Muslims, and that's why they seem to show these things, and make it like the whole Muslim world wants to hurt anyone from Denmark. Its kind of funny how people get influenced by the media so easily. Its a twisted image the media likes to present, and funny how so many come to biased conclusions based on that.

I laugh so hard when people look at Muslim women as 'oppressed' because of the over garments we wear to cover ourselves when going outside. Have any of these people ever asked Muslim women how they feel about that? Speaking for myself, my family, my friends, strangers posting on internet forums, ANY Muslim woman I know, I can tell you, we LOVE wearing it, and to not be allowed to wear it would be 'oppression' to us. It gives us a sense of dignity and security, and gives strange men the message of *do NOT touch me*...he he he. It makes me feel free from the lustful glances that so many women have to deal with, and living in the mainstream society, I *know* that it doesn't end at just lustful glances. Very often, especially amongst youngsters, it goes a lot further, and many times leads to broken families, and hurt/angry people in society.

My point in this...I just want to give you some feedback from the Muslim point-of-view. Am I hurt by the Prophet Muhammad cartoons? Of course I am. Any Muslim would be angered by such a thing. I do not, however, know anyone who resorts to violence because of this, other than what the media shows. I certainly do not condone such violence or such behavior. Its ridiculous. I believe Prophet Muhammad would be very angry if he knew how some of these people are behaving. There are stories from the time of Prophet Muhammad of his enemies who tried to kill him. His companions captured them and took them as prisoners to the Prophet. Prophet Muhammad treated those prisoners with such kindness, treating them to the best of meals, and then released them without harm. Instead of leaving him, they were touched by his kindness and behavior, and returned to him to become Muslims. This is how Prophet Muhammad treated people who were not only against him, but were plotting to kill him, and turned them from his worst enemies, to his dearest companions. A true Muslim who loves Prophet Muhammad would follow his example when it comes to such things and not lose their minds or behave in such insanity.

All of the violence we see is on the media. I have family in Muslim countries...in Pakistan, and in the United Arab Emirates. They haven't said a thing about any such violence on the streets. I'm sure there are people out there protesting, and if its peaceful protesting to show the world we're not dead people...we will not allow anyone to say such things against Prophet Muhammad, fine. I'm all for peaceful protests to have your voice heard. There's no reason for violence though. Some people are just idiots, and the media LOVES to show 'those' people, blow things out of proportion, and give Islam a 'false' bad image. I'm quite positive the media is making a much bigger deal out of this than it is. There are probably protests, but I doubt there is this much violence.

Besides...can't people see any GOOD in the Muslims? What was going on in New Orleans at the time of Hurricane Katrina? People were looting, raping, behaving terribly at a time of such tragedy. Did any of these things happen in Pakistan after the recent earthquakes? No. The stories on the news were more like victims welcoming reporters and sharing whatever little food they had to eat with them. Its something to think about. The media just likes to show the bad things. Its a pity that sensible people should believe all Muslims are bad because of the media. Face it. There is good and bad in every society. EVERY society. Media just likes to show the bad and conceal the good.

I have a question. Do any of you have Muslim friends?...and if you do, have you ever seen them behave in a violent manner? I could understand people who don't know any Muslims believing the media, but people who have Muslim friends shouldn't think this way. I'm sure most of you don't know many Muslims though...perhaps.

[gini]

The following article is currently appearing on CNN.com.

Is this what Mohammad taught? To always seek revenge? To call for vengeance?




Friday, February 3, 2006; Posted: 2:42 p.m. EST (19:42 GMT)

Muslim protesters burn a Danish flag in a Palestinian refugee camp in Sidon, Lebanon.


GAZA CITY (AP) -- Tens of thousands of angry Muslims marched through Palestinian cities, burning the Danish flag and calling for vengeance Friday against European countries where caricatures of the Prophet Mohammad were published.

Angry protests against the drawings spread in the Muslim world.

In Washington, the State Department criticized the drawings, calling them "offensive to the beliefs of Muslims."

In Iraq, thousands demonstrated after Friday mosque prayers, and the country's leading Shiite cleric denounced the drawings. About 4,500 people rallied in the southern city of Basra and burned the Danish flag.

Muslims in Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia and Malaysia demonstrated against the European nations whose papers published the caricatures, including one depicting the Muslim prophet wearing a turban fashioned into a bomb.

[caseysmom]

I understand what your saying pcb, all these signs saying to butcher people, etc are really hurting the worlds views of muslims...thats just the way it is.

A lot of people are saying look at the outrage over a cartoon, what about having some outrage over deaths that have occured, that is the perception.

I do know people that live in coutries that dictate they cover themselves and they do not like it and take it as an assault on their liberties.

[Killearn Kitties]

PCB I realise that your post comes from the heart, but I genuinely fail to see what it has to do with freedom of speech. That is what this thread is about.

No sensible person believes that all Muslims are bad because of the media, as you suggest. I can't speak for your media, but ours certainly does not suggest it. Nor do people believe that all Muslims are bad, period. However, the failure of some Muslim groups to condem terrorists and extremists, does harm the entire community.

[Randi]

I was going to post a really good link yesterday, but the site has been hacked. I'm too tired to comment on any of this now, but here's a link in english: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4674628.stm

Goodnight!

[lizbud]

PCB I realise that your post comes from the heart, but I genuinely fail to see what it has to do with freedom of speech. That is what this thread is about.

No sensible person believes that all Muslims are bad because of the media, as you suggest. I can't speak for your media, but ours certainly does not suggest it. Nor do people believe that all Muslims are bad, period. However, the failure of some Muslim groups to condem terrorists and extremists, does harm the entire community.

I agree with these comments completely, especially the last sentence.

Where is the outrage from the Muslim community when their prophet's
commandments are ignored by slashing the throats of helpless captives.

[RICHARD]

this is kinda off topic but follow me for a bit.


There is a new backlash against the illegal immigrants that are flooding the state of Cah lee fuh nee ah.

The state is spending more and more money for education, medical help for these people.

We are also being pushed to give them driver's licenses, state aid - welfare and food stamps.

Anytime someone speaks out against the I.I.'s the people start to cry RACISM, HATE and what ever else you can think of.

I am a first generation Cal lee fuh nee an, and American, with roots from Mexico.


Do I find the II's offensive? You betcha! For all the reasons above.

I have found out that many of the newer immigrants come here and use the services, take advantage of all the things that the people who came here legally fought and worked for.

I walk into a super market and see a woman open a package, feed herself, her kids and ditch the bag of food before they get to the cashier.

I stopped feeling sorry for them A LONG TIME AGO.

Go to a store and watch people buying milk and juice, steak and eggs with my money....I do not begrudge them a good life, but I would like to seem them put more effort into getting it-not waiting for a hand out.


The thing I find most offensive are the 'rallys' where these poor illiterate people hold up signs (mispelled) asking to treated with dignity and the idea that they should be given 'rights'!

They are just pawns for the industrys that use them as cheap labor, the politicians who use them a cheap photo ops and as a bargaining strategy.

I choose to be realistic in what I believe and what I'll fight for.

What I find truly offensive is having an Iman preach hate and murder over a frigging cartoon.....

The backlash isn't people burning Danish flags in the streets of the middle east...It's the rest of the world at a small group of people who do not know the meaning of free speech..

Yep, they can burn all the flags they want. Try to burn the Quran on the same block and you'll get shot..

It's freedom of speech when you tackle the Great Satan that lives in the West.


But like the old saying goes, when trying to burn the Quran...


DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME!

This is not a rant against all Muslims, It's a knock against all the morons who use Islam and their positions to promote hate all across the planet.


And what make me think this is even more silly is the fact that most people are kept illiterate by their countries and their leaders.....

And If the Muhammed should be depicted in any graphic form -how do they even know that it's a cartoon against their religion?

It's the poor schmucks being used by the people "in the know" that I feel sorry for...

[RICHARD]

I just heard some of the media outlets in the Middle East are asking for cartoon about the Holocaust.


Here is my entry.

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Because the Holocaust never happened, according to a small faction of Muslims, there should be no submissions...

I am calling for a boycott. Of any, and all, bedsheets made of mulsin cotton!

[Randi]

It seems the link I wanted to post last week is back up:

http://blog.newspaperindex.com/2005/...posten-racism/

Anyone wanting to discuss this further, there's a good opportunity in the link at the bottom of the page.