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    No one critisized you. They were just giving advice. I agree, you should probably go to a behaviourist.

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    I also agree that no one here has critisized you.

    I don't like people telling me that I need to teach Kujo that I'm in control
    Well it is true with ANY breed the owner & any other family members NEEDS to be in control. The humans are the pack leaders, the pets are not.

    If you don't want to be in control than you don't have to be but expect this problem to grow and gro and grow and possibly some other issues may pop up too.

    If I read that wrong & you think that you are in control as hard as it is to hear it you are not, or at least not fully or maybe you are you are just sending the wrong signals to your dog. If you were in total control your dog would wait for commands or signals from you.
    Is it possible you are tensing up, showing him signs that it is "ok" to be aggressive? The dog whisperer's main training tool is to teach the owners not the dogs. In a situation like this where the dog is aggressive and the owner thinks they are still in control (as also seen on Oprah with her dog) it is mostly because the owner is tense, showing some type of sign that it is ok for the dog to be aggressive.

    Some people only want to hear what they want to hear. I know I would be devestated if I had a problem and others were telling me ways to correct it that I don't agree with but I still would have to face it. How else can I learn?

    Please, no one here is saying anything bad about you, or critisizing you or your dog, we are only trying to help.
    Soar high & free my sweet fur angels. I love you Nanook & Raustyk... forever & ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lv4dogs
    I also agree that no one here has critisized you.



    Well it is true with ANY breed the owner & any other family members NEEDS to be in control. The humans are the pack leaders, the pets are not.

    If you don't want to be in control than you don't have to be but expect this problem to grow and gro and grow and possibly some other issues may pop up too.

    If I read that wrong & you think that you are in control as hard as it is to hear it you are not, or at least not fully or maybe you are you are just sending the wrong signals to your dog. If you were in total control your dog would wait for commands or signals from you.
    Is it possible you are tensing up, showing him signs that it is "ok" to be aggressive? The dog whisperer's main training tool is to teach the owners not the dogs. In a situation like this where the dog is aggressive and the owner thinks they are still in control (as also seen on Oprah with her dog) it is mostly because the owner is tense, showing some type of sign that it is ok for the dog to be aggressive.

    Some people only want to hear what they want to hear. I know I would be devestated if I had a problem and others were telling me ways to correct it that I don't agree with but I still would have to face it. How else can I learn?

    Please, no one here is saying anything bad about you, or critisizing you or your dog, we are only trying to help.

    Very well put.

    *Sammy*Springen*Molli*

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    Cyber-sibes,I sent you a PM.BTW Thanks

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    Well I spoke with a few vets and they all told me this is not abnormal for an Akita and since he responds so well to my commands I should be able to break him of this and he should be fine.

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    Hi Ree'sKujo,
    I am sorry I missed your thread until today.
    While this behavior might be common in some working breeds
    it is NOT desirable.
    Working breeds in my opinion are a tougher dog than
    many other breeds to own. Many were bread to guard and protect.
    (accept for those feisty terriers) l
    Is your male neutered, and if yes at what age?
    My suggestion is to join the Akita-L or the Akita Network e-mail
    list.
    http://akitanetwork.com/org/email.htm
    Their are a few rescue and breeder/trainers on the list
    that will be glad to steer you in the right direction.
    What ever training method you use, I would suggest do not use
    overly harsh methods for corrections as some of the old timers might suggest.
    In my case Overly harsh methods had the opposite effect I wanted
    to achieve with my male.
    You want to be able to walk your dog and have him ignore
    people walking by. Only when you are threatened than he should
    react.


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    He' two and yes he's neutered.Weve been working with him quite a bit because I agree while his behavior may be common For the Akita breed It's not desireable.I also bought him a harness and since I've been walking him with that instead of just his collar It's easier to control him if he wants to go towards a stanger.We've encounterd strangers on our last three walks and I only had him act up once and as soon as I corrected him he stopped.So,I think his training is working and we're on our way to solving this problem.

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    king2005:My friend had an Akita & he wanted to kill anyone & everything outside during walks. It was so bad, that he was over powering my friend & killing frogs & snakes left right & center. >>>>>>>

    That Akita in my opinion was a dangerous liability.
    That behavior is not common in well "bread tempered Akita with proper training".
    Dog aggression/high prey drive unfortunately can be the norm for
    many Akita's, but not unprovoked human aggression.
    I can live with a dog that has a high prey drive and wants to
    go after animals. I could not live with an Akita that wants
    to kill humans with-out justification.
    Your friend was lucky her dog never bit anybody.

    Ree'sKujo,
    Sounds like you are moving in the right direction.
    I would still join one of the akita e-mail lists for
    advice. Lots of long time AKita
    experts on their.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KYS
    king2005:My friend had an Akita & he wanted to kill anyone & everything outside during walks. It was so bad, that he was over powering my friend & killing frogs & snakes left right & center. >>>>>>>

    That Akita in my opinion was a dangerous liability.
    That behavior is not common in well "bread tempered Akita with proper training".
    Dog aggression/high prey drive unfortunately can be the norm for
    many Akita's, but not unprovoked human aggression.
    I can live with a dog that has a high prey drive and wants to
    go after animals. I could not live with an Akita that wants
    to kill humans with-out justification.
    Your friend was lucky her dog never bit anybody.

    Ree'sKujo,
    Sounds like you are moving in the right direction.
    I would still join one of the akita e-mail lists for
    advice. Lots of long time AKita
    experts on their.

    He wasn't pure & they got him from a shelter. She knew he was a danger, thats why she got the Spiked Collar. Back home there are NO dog trainers or the sort. You'd have to drive 2hrs to the city to get something like that. & at the time they got him their lab started getting hip dys. So they were spending thounds on getting her help, so they were living from pay to pay, so there was no way they could afford anything else. They just stopped walking Boots for a bit & played with him in the backyard & in the house. The last time I saw Boots (7yrs ago) he was a really good dog. The spiked collar allowed my friend to gain control & his aggression was gone. He was like a new dog. Boots was only bad as my friend couldn't control him to teach him it was wrong. It took her less then amonth with the spiked collar to turn hin into a great guy..

    The spiked collar worked wonders on Rocky the Rotti aswell. I'm sure you've heard me mention him a few times before. He was the worst dog I had ever seen. It took me 30 mins to break him & teach him that not all dogs were bad & the same with people. We still kept a muzzle on him just incase, but it was never needed. He was even attacked by a mastif & when called off he tried hard to get away & return to his owners hand.. He was attacked as he ran to her... Even when a burgler broke into their home he did nothing. He only mauled the guy when he kicked the 15yr old 20p dog (still don't know how he got out alive).

    Many dogs just need to be told who is the boss & their aggression stops or dies WAY down. I know it wont work on ALL dogs, but it did on 3 that I worked with.

    My only failure in training a dog was an English Springer, named Chelsie. She was a BIG sweet heart in the house. While her owner was babysitting me, I would have the dog on he back in my lap. I would pet her tosleep every evening. I only walked her twice & she had to be muzzled & kept FAR away from people & dogs. She was NASTY on a leash.. She had good leash maners, but the second she saw anything she would flip out. It was a little embarrasing, as she was a lovely looking gal. But no matter how hard my friends & I tried to break her. We sat on the dock while my friends sat 10 feet away trying to ignore her & talk to me, while I tried to get her to stop. 2hrs later she was still going strong. I tried with the muzzle off & on & there was NO change at all. My friends have even met her in her hose before & all was well. But because I met them on our walk they were viewed as enemies So I just stopped walking her & played with her inthe yard & in the house. With the way she ran around in the yard playing with me, there was really no need to walk her.

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    kys,I took your advice on joining the e-mail lists.As for King2005 the only thing I'm going to say on the matter of your friends Akita be it mixed or not,there is NO way I would tolerate that behavior from my Akita.

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    Well, I really don't think that anyone criticized you at all, just giving opinions and advice which you asked for. I thik the behaviorist is a great idea. Also a choke or prong collar would be a good idea, since putting Roscoe on a prong I can walk him without my arm feeling like it's going to fall off Roscoe can be protective of me sometimes too, but the prong keeps him from pulling or lunging.

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