What do you think of this?????????

[pnance]

The link worked for me. I think it's wrong what this guy is doing, but then again I don't agree with paying $$$$ for designer breeds when I can go to the pound and get the same mix. I mean seriously, just because you cross 2 breeds doesn't mean you've created a new breed. Nikka is a pointer/chow cross what does that make her a pointchow??? Does that mean since I made up a name I could sell her for $$$$ if I put that name in the paper?? Or if she wasn't spayed, go find another pointer/chow mix, breed them and sell the pups for $$$$, seriously it makes absolutely no sense....

[senorita02]

I think i posted on this earlier, i didnt know it was a bulldog pittie but i wrote that that is what it looked like was a bulldog, there just trying to make the pittie bigger than it is and pretend that thats cool, i saw another website where some guy has huge pittbulls and they weigh as much as Senorita (My Presa) and no Pittie should be weighing in at 110-120 pounds, not if its a real one. But the guy im talking about wouldnt even admit to crossbreeding and i asked him if he was giving his dogs steroids, and he was furious!! LOL they didnt look right , it was sad for the dogs, most people going to buy a giant sized pittie are just in it to think they look cool with like u said a designer huge pittbull (so they say) now we know its a bulldog cross.

[Jadapit]

I dont like it at all. I dont know why people cant leave the pit bull how they are supposed to be. The guy that is breeding them is not in it for the love of the breed he is in it for the money. IMHO anyway. Its really sad.

I saw the website that senorita02 was talking about. The dogs are way to huge. He was bragging how his pups are 100 lbs at 6 months. I swear their jaws were bigger than Ebonys head. They didnt look right just like the hippo dogs dont. I totally understand why it has you all out of sorts Barbra.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

I think whoever created that video is actually trying to send a message out about leaving pit bulls the way they are. Did you notice at the end when it says "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a PIT BULL" then there are pictures of actual pitties, not the big headed ones they showed earlier? Then it says, Pit Bulls are a working breed, lets keep it that way. I dont know, just seems like whoever made the video wasn't introducing a *new* breed of dog, but rather showing the world what people have done to this amazing breed.

Call me crazy, when I see that video and read all of the messages, it just seems that way.

[Bigyummydog]

They also said, "They will all be pit bulls eventually."

[Bigyummydog]

The really cute song said, "all I want is a hippo."
Do you really want one of these hippos? That's
fine, if you are willing to have one of these. It's
just that too many people have "designed" this
particular dog. I'm sure the dogs are "just dogs."
MAXIMUS is just a dog. But why "make" them, just
to serve a person? Why not just have a "DOG?"
Saving one would be anyone's best bet.

"Hippo dog"..........I'm still not over it.

[.sarah]

I think whoever created that video is actually trying to send a message out about leaving pit bulls the way they are. Did you notice at the end when it says "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a PIT BULL" then there are pictures of actual pitties, not the big headed ones they showed earlier? Then it says, Pit Bulls are a working breed, lets keep it that way. I dont know, just seems like whoever made the video wasn't introducing a *new* breed of dog, but rather showing the world what people have done to this amazing breed.

Call me crazy, when I see that video and read all of the messages, it just seems that way.

That's the way I saw it too.

[buttercup132]

i think the same as the above post

[cali]

looks more to me like this guy is making a point, that a pittie is a WORKING breed and breeding AKC Staffys is creating something entirly differnt, I dont see how it can be interpreted as anything else it says right on the video that a pittie is a working breed, breeding any other way creates something differnt, which I completly and fully agree.

there was even a quote right above the video

"What is a true bulldog- Definately not a hippotamus!"

[cali]

They also said, "They will all be pit bulls eventually."

uhh what the video said was "in a couple of generations staffys is all they will be" as in they will no longer be american pitbull terriers, as the breed is meant to be, and you wont be able to call them such, it EXACTLY the same as my calling show BCs "barbie collies" because I no longer consider them the same breed.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

They also said, "They will all be pit bulls eventually."

The quote was made by Howard Heinzl (now deceased) one of the most famous APBT breeders EVER. It actually says "When I start breeding for color I'll sure call them Staffordshires that's all they will be in a couple generations". I went on to read that Heinzl bred his dogs only for fighting purposes. How does this make him one of the best APBT breeders ever?

Howard Heinzl Story

Now I see, when it says "The APBT is a working breed" They are actually meaning a "fighting" breed. When it says "Lets keep it that way", they are saying that APBT should be bred only to fight. Stupid me for not realizing it, but I never would have if I didn't Google Howard Heinzl...

*EDIT* In the link I posted, Heinzl wrote about his fighting APBT's. Just thought I would let you all know before you clicked on it.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Here is the breeders website that made the video...

Mugglestons Pit Bull Farm

All the dogs on the video have pictures on this website.

[SemaviLady]

I think whoever created that video is actually trying to send a message out about leaving pit bulls the way they are. Did you notice at the end when it says "Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is a PIT BULL" ...

I agree with this impression of the movie. I am deaf, so I don't know what sort of sound went along with the movie -- but there was enough text there that seemed to imply that the first dogs pictured were exaggerations of the ideal bull breed.

I have been reading about more people crossing the "English" bulldog (the brachycephalic, achondroplastic and frequently dysplastic one...) to breeds that are somewhat more 'natural' in order to return the breed to some less exaggerated breed type -- sadly, this vigilante approach is confused, and this isn't going to work with the registered dog crowd. First the purebred crowd has to define that there is a problem and then resolve a way to fix it. It may mean destruction of the bulldog fancy since change is very difficult to accept.

I think that well bred pitties are awesome dogs. The old type were like small terrier greyhoundish dogs. Agility, gameness and good temperament was everything then. But without getting into new age people attracted to pit types for the wrong reasons, there are very nice people in ALL breeds who do seem to be attracted to exaggeration in conformation styles of dogs. Examples of skulls of three common breeds that have changed in a few decades. The Saint, Bullterrier, and the Newf.

The old type dogs of years ago are considered very poor in type now.

As people move away from the need to use working breeds, they tend to glorify in the exaggerations and refine the standards. This tends to narrow diversity in the gene pool and do other things that begin conflicts in dog 'politics' and ethics. Also, certain traits have been found to be associated with the genetics of other parts of the dog, which means unexpected health problems unrelated to the exaggerated feature can occur simply because of the regulatory effect of different (seemingly unrelated) genes.

In my own breed, in Turkey, there have been emerging conflicts between the old time shepherds who used the landrace working dogs with sheep and the new generations that have begun to embrace and change the dogs for completely "new age" reasons. Vague histories/mythology are intermixed to help glorify subtypes and various strains. It's social engineering to some degree. But I hope that the dogs don't end up paying the price.

I hope that in the long run, the working ability, breed character and soundness (all these are elements of breed type) of these dogs will be maintained. News and information about the dog genome will be so valuable in more ways than we can imagine now.

[SemaviLady]

Now I see, when it says "The APBT is a working breed" They are actually meaning a "fighting" breed. When it says "Lets keep it that way", they are saying that APBT should be bred only to fight.

There is another dimension to consider. Old time dogmen generally had some pretty strict rules about the games. The rules including washing the dogs and getting them out of the ring if the dog appeared to back down.
It's better to get the info from the rpd.info FAQ
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/dogs-faq/breeds/apbt/part3/

Nowadays, most people that do fight their dogs do not have a clue. They do not have the same level of honor or respect for the dogs as did above dogmen. I don't condone fighting of dogs whatsoever so I'm not saying the old style is more acceptable, but these fights were *different*. And when the old dogmen are quoted, this history and honor needs to be put into context.

Many youngsters who think they know about dog fighting actually haven't any clue about the culture that was behind the heritage of these game dogs. With so many ignorant people just making up their own rules, the one that is going to pay is ultimately going to be the dogs... all breeds...

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Regardless of what dog fighting *should be*, or how *it used to be* I will always stand against it. Howard Heinzl seemed like a very devoted, loving owner, but that doesn't change the fact that his dogs were born to fight and die. And if you're implying that I don't understand dog fighting, your wrong. I know what it used to be and what is is now. I wish nobody ever came up with the idea to fight dogs, maybe we wouldn't have BSL. Alot of BSL has to do with the background of such breeds.

Crossing all those breeds, then inbreeding, to become *master breeders* like Heinzl is ruining a wonderful breed of dog. Heinzl is a hero to many people that are breeding 120 pound pitties with huge heads. They want to follow in his footsteps, and unfortunately, they are going to extremes. Like old time dogmen who didn't care how the dogs looked, people these days do - and they will do anything to create the *best* looking dogs. All the while not knowing how harmful inbreeding is.