Need Advice on Finnegan *UPDATE POST #21*

[BC_MoM]

Okay, I really need some advice. I've grown very attached to Finn, but there is no way he can stay. I want to find the best home I can for him. Either one that he will do flyball or another dog sport in, or a home with another dog. A home with both would be amazing!

A lady emailed me last night asking for more on Finn. But she mentioned he would be in the crate from 8am-12:30pm, and 1pm-4pm. Her son would come home at lunch to let him out (APPARENTLY. But how many youngs teens actually do this after they get over the "I HAVE A NEW PUPPY!" stage?). To add, they don't have any other pets and he would be in his crate home alone, pretty much 8 hours a day.

I am torn. I don't know if I should keep waiting for a different home or just stop being picky.

Advice?

[CountryWolf07]

BE PICKY.

I hate the idea of crating a dog almost "all day".. to me, from 8am-12pm and 1-4pm?! That's too much. That's what my ex-roommate did with the husky puppy last year at the old house I lived at...

[wolf_Q]

I work 8-4, my dogs stay in crates while I'm gone. Does this make me an unsuitable dog owner? They go right in and lay down, are sleeping when I come home, they seem like happy, well loved dogs to me...

Actually when I have a day off they often want to go in their crates and sleep too, but I usually don't let them so they find a place in the yard or house to sleep. I take them to work with me at least once a week, and they hang out in crates there too with no problem. They sleep the entire time. Even if I let them out they end up going back in the crates or a corner to sleep (well, except when Shilo is there too, then its husky playtime outside the crate...she and Keva sleep when they are in the crate together).

If it were my own house I'd try leaving them (at least Nebo) loose in the house, but its my parents house and that's their rules.

[chocolatepuppy]

Two of my dogs are crated 7 hours a day through the weekdays. I don't think that's bad. I usually come home for lunch but that's only 15 minutes. Layla will go in her crate and sleep when we are home. I would find out what they'll be doing with Finn the other hours in the day.

[Spiritwind]

I work 8-4, my dogs stay in crates while I'm gone. Does this make me an unsuitable dog owner?

For the most part I agree with Wolf_Q. The last job I had (working at a vets) I was usually gone 13hrs a day (45 min drive to work one way - TYPICALLY worked 7am-6pm so left around 6, got home around 7pm.... there were some days I got stuck there until 8pm!) It really sucked but honestly the dogs didn't seem to mind... though I certianly did!.. I live alone, so its just me and my dogs....

8am-12:30pm, and 1pm-4pm doesn't sound to horrible to me at all!... my dogs just slept when I was gone, some of them I could leave outside during the day, but many of them where inside..... as long as they can give the dog enough exercise and play time when they are home I really don't see it as being a huge issue. People gotta work!... and 8-4 (with possibly a break in between there at times) doesn't sound horrible..... but JMO.... I'm getting ready to start a new job very soon, but this time luckily its only 10 min. from my house and fairly flexible hours....

[CountryWolf07]

Obviously you are a good dog owner. I just don't really like the idea of crating my dogs that long, but that's just me. But we both are different, we never had to crate our dogs in our household. Everyone has their own rules.

But most of y'all probably have heard about my horrible roommate and Zeus. By the way, Zeus is gone now. His parents took his dog, because at almost a year old, he was not potty trained. From what I heard, he is living with another family now that offered to take him.. but FROM my side, he was very miserable and destructive for being crated up for long period of times, but wouldn't that mean he was never properly trained? Just wondering.

[BC_MoM]

I doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't properly kennel trained (although, he probably wasn't). Some dogs just can't stand it. Personally, I believe in the long run it isn't healthy for dogs to be in crates, regardless of size, through puppy and adulthood.

Our rescue director emailed me her opinion, and she thinks 8 hours in a crate for a 3 1/2 month old high drive BC is too much.

I really appreciate the input, though.

And Amy, you are absolutely NOT an unsuitable dog owner!!!

[bckrazy]

Hmmm.... that really is a difficult decision. Especially being how special Finn is to you.

My friend has a Border Collie puppy. She lives with her brother and her Mom, and I live about 5 minutes away. Sadie was crated when she needed to be, but we worked out our schedules every day so that she wasn't in it for more than 3 hours at a time, and she had a good 1-2 hours of running and playing in between crate time.

To me, honestly, a BC puppy is not going to be physically and mentally exercised properly with that kind of schedule. I would recommend that the family adopts a BC that is a mature adult. There were a few days when Sadie was in her crate for longer periods, and my friend called me unexpectedly to visit and let her out. She was obviously VERY tired of being in that crate, when I got there. With a breed like this, 8 hours of solid crating EVERY day, with only a half an hour break... it's just not the ideal situation, in my opinion.

If these people were very experienced with the breed, or if Finn would be getting a solid 1-2 hours of play and free time in between crating, or if they were going to actively involve him in dog sports/training, it might be different... but if they're the "average" home, I would not adopt him out to that situation. Plus, with a LOT of people, they will make a situation sound much better than it actually is. Like you said, who knows of the teenager will actually be coming home every single day and who knows if he'll do anything more than take Finn out to eliminate and put him right back in? Unless they will be incredibly commited to dedicating basically ALL of their time at home, before and after work/school, to playing with Finn, socializing Finn, and training Finn, I can see such a situation being detrimental to the development of a puppy of such an intelligent and active breed. Isn't Finn a bit undersocialized, too? I would be very picky in his case especially, to find a home that knows what they're doing and has time to work with him in this important stage of his puppyhood.

When I adopted Fozzie, it was stated on his Petfinder page that some one had to be home most or part of the day. Luckily, there is basically always some one home with the dogs here. I don't think it's incredibly picky to ask that at least part of a full work day is spent at home with a young puppy... particularly in breeds that do need lots of physical and mental stimulation to be happy and well-adjusted.

[finn's mom]

In a perfect world, you could find him someone who doesn't work, who has another dog and who competes in a dog sport.

But, in this world, I say be picky, but choose your battles, too. If it were me, I'd be more concerned about what they did with the dog when they *were* home then when they *weren't* (unless it was leaving them chained up outside when they weren't).

MY Finn was crated til he was two years old. I don't know how anyone trains a puppy if they're not home and the puppy is left to run around the house. EEK. I shudder to think what Finn would have done to my place if he'd been left out while I was at work.

But, when I was home, we were pretty much always doing something. Whether it was walking, training, playing, eating, laying together, etc.

If you have the choice between someone who is going to crate your Finn for 8 hours a day, but then take him to flyball when he gets home, or play ball or take long walks or train for flyball...or someone who stays home all day, and doesn't crate Finn for very long, but never does more than just letting him outside for potty breaks and a walk once a week or something, I'd go with the crate 8 hours a day. But, that's just me.

Good luck, whatever you decide to do. To me, it doesn't sound like this family is right for Finn, regardless of the crate. Only because I think if you had a good feeling about him, the crate thing would be secondary. I could be way off on that, but that was just my gut feeling when I read your post.

[RipplingWaves55]

I would keep the dog until someone you trust to take him into a good home accepts and wishes to take them.

No offense, I'm not saying you're a bad owner because you're busy. Dogs can be alot of work, so it just takes active homes. Hope he finds a good home.

Good luck!!

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Lady's Mom

[BC_MoM]

I would keep the dog until someone you trust to take him into a good home accepts and wishes to take them.

No offense, I'm not saying you're a bad owner because you're busy. Dogs can be alot of work, so it just takes active homes. Hope he finds a good home.

Good luck!!

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Lady's Mom

Finnegan is not mine, and I am not rehoming him... I am fostering him.