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    Adult Only Beach Area

    I was a bit shocked at first, but hey, I think it would be great. Do you?


    Adults draw line in the sand in Lake Forest


    By Susan Kuczka
    Tribune staff reporter

    June 22, 2007

    Pails, shovels and the kids who tote them no longer will be allowed in
    a kid-free zone that opened this summer on the public beach in Lake
    Forest.

    "We're creating a quieter space for those adults that are in search of
    that type of atmosphere," said Sally Swarthout, program manager for the
    north suburban city's Parks & Recreation Board, which created the
    21-and-older beach at the request of several residents. About a quarter of
    the city's nearly milelong beach is now for adults only.

    Baby Boomer Cindy Janke called it a welcome oasis.

    "It's just nice to have a break away from the noise and crowds, and
    have a little peace and quiet, and listen to the waves, and kind of lose
    yourself in the tranquility of the shoreline," said Janke, whose
    children are grown. "Everyone's so used to being around kids when we were
    younger, but here you might be able to socialize with a few members of the
    older generation."

    The beach ban is one of a growing number of prohibitions against kids
    that have popped up in recent years. From hotels to coffeehouses,
    child-free seems to be gaining popularity in an otherwise family friendly
    nation.

    Experts say a combination of factors may be at play: the increasing
    number of childless households across the nation; the demise of the old
    saw that children should be seen and not heard; and a huge Baby Boomer
    population with a 'been there, done that' attitude toward children. And
    in a more hectic world, people are trying to carve out mini-havens of
    solitude.

    The efforts to restrict children's behavior usually don't come without
    controversy, especially if they make parents feel like outcasts. A
    Taste of Heaven in Andersonville made national headlines when owner Dan
    McCauley put up a sign in the window that read: "Children of all ages have
    to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of
    Heaven."

    The Lake Forest beach ban also could brew a storm, some experts say.

    "To close off a space that is quintessentially associated with children
    and sand castles and pails and bathing suits seems to me to be a sad
    commentary," said Diane Geraghty, director of the Civitas ChildLaw Center
    at Loyola University Chicago. "It almost sounds like people want to
    create their own country club on [public] property."

    But some parents with kids at home said they, too, relish the rare
    quiet time at the kid-free beach. The city's Park and Recreation Board
    approved creation of the adults-only section last fall.

    "If I came here, and there were a million screaming kids, where would I
    go to get away from mine?" said Dawn Kirsch, a 40-something mother of
    four who sneaks to the shoreline when she can, and was recently paying
    bills at the adults-only beach. "Sometimes I just want to get away from
    the phone and the kids and just relax and hear the sound of the water."

    Joanne Philpott, 36, goes to the beach with her three children, unless
    she can get away by herself, like she did this week.

    "When I have the kids, I have all that craziness, so when you can get
    an hour of relaxation to yourself, the last thing you want to do is
    watch someone else's kid running all around," she said.

    Still, some residents wonder why a kid-free beach is necessary. They
    said adults tended to gravitate to the area that is now for adults only,
    anyway, because it was farthest away from the beach playground,
    concession stand and restrooms.

    "It has typically been used by a lot of adults who want to get away
    from the kids kicking sand and throwing Frisbees and making lots of
    noise," said parks Supt. Wendy McKiernan.

    Every now and then, though, a sandcastle or other evidence of children
    would get through the invisible line the adults had drawn in the sand
    with their beach blankets and umbrellas. Hence the more official
    designation.

    With more people living in kid-free households, it's also become
    acceptable for adults to request a child-free zone, according to Bernard
    Beck, an associate professor emeritus at Northwestern University in
    Evanston.

    "It didn't use to be respectable to speak out in public in ways that
    were anti-child or anti-family, but now that sort of talk is very
    acceptable," Beck said, citing various comedians who have riffed on the
    anti-kid theme.

    Beck also said people who are alike tend to gravitate toward one
    another.

    "So if someone says, 'I hate being around younger people' and they're
    rich and powerful, they'll do what they can to create a situation where
    they can have things the way the like it," he said.

    The pint-size beachgoers never bothered Joanne Martin, who said she
    considered the kids' play as natural to the beach scene as the sand.

    "I can kind of understand when the kids are playing Frisbee and running
    all over, but I really like to hear the voices of children on the
    beach," said Martin, a mother of three, who visited the all-ages beach
    recently with her 7th grader.

    Although there's no fencing or signs surrounding the adults-only zone,
    the beach staff has been told to keep an eye out for anyone under 21
    who might stray into it.

    Lifeguards said they aren't worried about teenagers trying to sneak in.
    "The kids never really hung out there anyway because of all the
    adults," lifeguard Julian Bulaon said.

    Some teenagers, though, don't like being singled out.

    "It's not very nice," said Alyssa Loicano, 13.

    "But it's better than being blocked from the entire beach for a certain
    amount of time," said Brittany Frechette, 14.

    Visitors to the adults-only portion of the beach will be asked to show
    proof of their age, a requirement the beach monitors don't expect to be
    particularly onerous.

    "We'll just eyeball people, and if they look too young we'll get them
    out of there," said Bulaon, who at 18 is technically barred from the
    adults-only section. "But I'm the lifeguard, so if I have to go on it to
    yell at somebody, it'll be OK."
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    I like it...there are lots more beaches around!

    While they're at it - how about a child-free Walmart and mall?
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    Hmmm, seems to me that the taxes paid to support the beach are from everyone.

    Are those under 21 having their taxes reduced by an appropriate amount to cover the fact that that part of the beach is no longer open to them? How about a tax reduction for parents of kids who can no longer use that part of the beach?

    A public use area is just that.......a public use area.
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    Hmmmmmm.....so if some 20 year old kid just returns from Iraq, he's not old enough to go into the adult section of the beach ????
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    While I am 100% in favor of an adult beach, I just know there are going to be members on here with kids, who have a totally different opinion on this one.

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    I think it's a wonderful idea! These days, there are hardly any places that aren't adult only and some should be. I've even seen young kids in bars. Now I'm just speaking in general here. There are people that don't watch their young ones and let them roam all over/be loud in places such as coffee shops, restaurants, etc. When parents have great kids, I'm the first one to compliment them on the manners. Because it is such a rarity. The point I'm getting at is when you're out somewhere to relax, a screaming, wild child is not what you're wanting to hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human

    Hmmm, seems to me that the taxes paid to support the beach are from everyone.

    Are those under 21 having their taxes reduced by an appropriate amount
    to cover the fact that that part of the beach is no longer open to them?
    Two Sides to most coins ...

    What about the Kiddie Swings in the MUNICIPAL Park that are too small for me to use?

    And a BIG one --- I got no KIDS --- WHY do I have to pay School Taxes?

    As long as no particular age group gets ALL the goodies ...
    a reasonably fair distribution of the benefits and perks seems equitable.

    And one might ask ... just how many of the Under-21 Crowd are actually paying Beach Taxes?


    /s/ Phred

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinder & Smoke
    What about the Kiddie Swings in the MUNICIPAL Park that are too small for me to use?
    /s/ Phred
    Yeah....but you get to ride around on a fire truck !!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

    Yeah ... but you get to ride around on a fire truck !!!!!
    Wom
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    I'm child free, don't like kids, and I'm still against this. It could be a regional thing, but 21 and older is just asking for trouble. It just means a party zone for loud obnoxious "adults."

    Why not make this 18 and older?!

    And just what the heck do they have against sand castles?! You're telling me if a 40 year old starts making a sand castle they'll be kicked out?

    This does sound like a stuck up snobby country club.

    And i tell you what, when i was 10 (just throwing a number out here because it's true for my whole life..) I would have LOVED to had a beach to go to where loud obnoxious rowdy kids weren't allowed in to. The hideous yelling, and screaming, and running, and destroying other peoples' sand artwork, and splashing. UGH!!!

    Why couldn't they just designate a QUIET beach zone?

    I'm not fond of people being singled out as a group few the misdeeds of many. Give individuals a chance.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud
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    Quote Originally Posted by crow_noir
    And i tell you what, when i was 10 (just throwing a number out here because it's true for my whole life..) I would have LOVED to had a beach to go to where loud obnoxious rowdy kids weren't allowed in to. The hideous yelling, and screaming, and running, and destroying other peoples' sand artwork, and splashing. UGH!!!
    Well I'm sorry that you didn't realise how much fun I was having !!!!! In fact, I enjoyed kicking all of your sand angels to bits !!!!
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    I see LH's point, and it makes sense.

    BUT, I would like it, and add this to it: I would want to separate those kids 8 and over from the group of younger kids. That way, I would know Jonah and I were getting our tax dollars worth of a day at the beach. No one would be bullying my child, nor would he be exposed to the older kids with some of the raunchier language coming out of their mouths.

    I could actually go to the beach and know my child would have a good time. Heck, if it works for the adults, it should work for the younger set.

  13. Lake Forest Illinois is a VERY affluent suburb just north of Chicago. The beach under discussion is Lake Michigan. No jelly fish or other sea creatures. Just some dead elwives now and then.

    All the suburbs of Chicago which border the shore have different rules on beach usage. For example in the city of Chicago...by law...all lakefront is public.

    Northern suburbs differ. Some...you must be a resident to use...some you can buy a day pass.

    All Lake Forest is doing is designating a portion for a specific use. No one is being denied access to using the beach. Some people are being denied access to a portion of the beach. I too could see a portion designated for the use of toddlers...open access...adult only.

    In addition to the enjoyment issue is safety. Safety is the purpose of life guards and the demands and priorities of the guards could be different for the different areas. Toddlers presetn one kind of risk, teenager another, adults only yet another.

    Lake Michigan is a very big lake and Lake Forest has a nice chunk of beach. If they want to designate a portion for volleyball...or toddlers...or adults...or nude bathing (come on...you were all thinking it when you opened the thread!)...or fishing only...or whatever...so be it...

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    I can see both sides. I do think it's a good idea to have an area of the beach sectioned off (although I would also think that 18 and over is better than 21) for people wanting to get away from kids. It's sad to me though, because it seems like a lot of parents don't watch their kids, and those are the ones causing the problems. Not everyone likes kids, and I understand and respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
    Lake Michigan is a very big lake and Lake Forest has a nice chunk of beach. If they want to designate a portion for volleyball...or toddlers...or adults...or nude bathing (come on...you were all thinking it when you opened the thread!)...or fishing only...or whatever...so be it...

    Before I vote, or move to Chicago, would it be full, frontal nudity, or, just topless....

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