Dog Food Rant-

[borzoimom]

THATS IT- I HAVE HAD IT.. And no i am not on decongestants..
IF PEOPLE OR THE DOG FOOD MAKERS think its funny to the following facts- may they rot in h*ll:
* prior to 1976 the average life span of any dog was easily 13 years- now the average is 11 with giant breeds at 8 years barely.
* with only AFCO they state a dog food to be for the dogs life to be at 25 percent protein- and 15 fat- you can get the same darn thing on shoe leather soaked in vegetable oil..
No standard on ingredients and the reason is- WE IN THE US DO NOT EAT DOGS- I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT- IF WE ATE DOGS- THEY WOULD EAT BETTER, AS people can not eat the chemicals we give in dog food...
* HOW many of you remember your grand parents dogs that lived healthy their whole life until the end?- Yet we deal with dry skin, skin infections, cancers of liver, kidneys and skin,,.. EVER WONDER WHY????

* YES- I AM A FANATIC ABOUT PET FOODS..- I TRY TO EAT HEALTHY MYSELF- BUT AT SOME POINT SOMEONE HAS TO STOP AND THINK- MY DOGS LIFE IS WORTH MORE THAN A FEW BUCKS IN A COMPANY THAT QUITE FRANKLY DOESNT GIVE A RATS BUTT about how I feel about my dog.They don't care- that I will worry when in the vets office- that I will jolt my heart at sign of cancer on the skin- failing liver or kidney function- brain problems that makes the dog aggressive and has to be put down.... WHEN AT WHAT POINT ARE YOU GOING TO SAY- ENOUGH- ENOUGH AND TAKE your dogs health in what they eat as seriously if not more so than you do your own???? WHEN????

* It starts at puppy hood- and grows. If you ate the same thing only- twice a day- day after day, week after week, month after month- year after year- it BETTER BE GOOD- BECAUSE, PEOPLE- that is ALL they got... THATS IT.. Its the difference from you eating pototoe chips every day and wait for your skin to break out with nothing else- YEA SURE- YOU ARE ALIVE- but are you healthy???????????? SHOOT NO... !!!

I WISH I DIDN'T KNOW as much about dog food as I do.. I wish to he*l I didn't have to wake up to what I did- BUT I DID.. I cant bring my dogs back- but I CAN MAKE SURE- the ones I have live a longer, healthier, safer, happier life without being ill..

I AM SICK OF THE DOG FOOD COMPANIES- MOST DONT GIVE A DARN ABOUT YOUR PET.!! ITS ALL ABOUT THE MIGHTY DOLLAR- SO YOU BETTER DO THE RESEARCH YOURSELF.. Look at it as feeding a child- cause you know what- JUST LIKE A CHILD- they know no life or food without YOU...

IT STARTS AT HOME- do the research.. I dont care if you have to send the food out to a lab for the real statement on the food...
* DID YOU ALL KNOW THAT THE STANDINGS ON FAT AND PROTEIN IS DONE PRIOR TO PROCESSING??? YET WHEN ITS PROCESSED THE HEAT FROM EXTRUSION KILLS ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE B vitamins- then we wonder why our bitches loose puppies- or our old dog has heart problems, or the middle age dog can't walk from lack of balenced phororus and calcium.. HELLLLLLLLLLLLOOO.

LOOK AT YOUR Pets FOOD- I MEAN UPSIDE DOWN, INSIDE OUT AND BACKWARDS- AND REMEMBER - BETWEEN THAT FOOD AND YOU - thats all they got! Make it good or spend the rest of your money on vet bills, but most of all - serious heartache!

[Lady's Human]

Are we done with our tantrum yet?

[lizbud]

This is sad. no joke.

[JenBKR]

Wow....I really don't know what else to say

This is sad. no joke.

It is sad, really sad. I debated even responding, but I have to say that I am a bit worried about you borzoimom........

[borzoimom]

Wow....I really don't know what else to say




It is sad, really sad. I debated even responding, but I have to say that I am a bit worried about you borzoimom........

I am perfectly fine! I have been studying dog foods since the early 80's- out of necessity to feed my own dogs. Then as a trainer, as only a properly fed dog can compete at the level I was doing. Then of course- there were the puppies- trying to feed right from weaning as the organs of the pup start to develop and their bone structure as well.

Its a very serious subject to me. EXTREMELY! And it makes me mad that some companies are just trying to make a buck, with little regard to the actual quality of their food. ITS NO different than the anger I have towards BYB's- they are doing the same type of thing- trying to make a buck with no regard to the actual health of the animals or the conditions of living the dogs live in.. Same thing- try to make a product with the cheapest ingredients you can find- regardless of the quality, for the highest price you can sell it for.

Case in point- several of the foods you can now get at Walmart- and even those sold at pet stores- use to cost alot more money! The main reason their price came down- was not " concern for the consumer paying this much money for their food- ..NOOOOO- the prices came down on those foods because with the Other foods- that are better in quality, and cheaper started to show up on the market. They had to lower the price on the market- or go under... People are getting smarter as time goes- but no longer do us dog show etc people believe every word they write- or their advertising either. You wouldnt buy a car based on a pretty sticker without looking under the hood or checking reports would you??? NEITHER would I..

AND LET ME note this- I have been feeding raw since 1984..- ever wonder why I have continued to look into dog food if I am " so happy " with raw???? The reason is simple- I keep waiting for some company to come up with a food that meets expectations across the board- and it hasn't happened yet!. I want a food that has human grade ingredients in ALL the ingredients, no preservatives known to cause cancer or even suspect of cancer, I want a product that is made well enough to not swell in the gut cause GVD ( bloat), and more convient than chopping up raw. I do not mind doing the raw as to me its a labor of love, And -at least I know FOR A FACT what is in that bowl I put down for my dogs- my kids- my love in life!

[mike001]

wow Borzoid, that was some rant. Understand how you feel though, just finished another article on kibbled foods

[borzoimom]

Are we done with our tantrum yet?

FOR NOW- yes... Mr. Lady Human- that is the way it was..

[Ceph]

actually some of that was rather useful....I'll have to let my mom know...she feeds her mutt commercial feed, but Deedee also has a heart murmur...maybe feeding raw will help the poor old girl...

My uncle feeds his dobes raw...one of them recently past away but lived a longer life than most larger dogs...11 or 12 years I think.

And it does make sense to look into what you are feeding any of your animals...My animal nutrition classes last year partially shocked the heck out of me...I learned some useful things though.

Though I do have a question...there are some formulated feeds that are pretty good for the dog right? I heard chicken soup for the dog lovers soul is good, as well as a few others (cant remember the name though.)

[Lady's Human]

There's more baloney in that post than there is filler in a cheap hot dog.

[Ceph]

everyone is entitled to their own opinion right?

Its all a matter of doing what you feel is right for yourself and your dog...when my puppy comes I am probably going to feed him raw....I think he will be healthier that way...

My mom and dad on the other hand will probably continue to feed pelleted diets, though they are looking for some of the better stuff, which helps.

[buttercup132]

Guys stop fighting!
Lady's human grow up and stop bashing Bmom in every thread she makes.
Bmom I think you need to just calm down a little. I know your frusterated with alot so maybe log off PT for the night and cool off. Some of the stuff your saying isn't even making sense.

[wolf_Q]

Educating people on how they feed their dogs is important. But this is the wrong way to go about it entirely. If I were to interpret this post as real talking, you would be yelling in my face. Calm down please. I'm tired of all the fighting on the board lately.

[borzoimom]

Chicken soup is made by human grade ingredients.. Its a good one!

[borzoimom]

Guys stop fighting!
Lady's human grow up and stop bashing Bmom in every thread she makes.
Bmom I think you need to just calm down a little. I know your frusterated with alot so maybe log off PT for the night and cool off. Some of the stuff your saying isn't even making sense.

THANK YOU BUTTER CUP... I will try to calm down now.. All I posted is actual facts of the dog food industry but in one BIG running long paragraph .. But God Bless you for saying how I felt... THANK YOU ALICIA- THANK YOU!

[Lady's Human]

I'm not bashing BZM.

I am sick of these "scare" threads and how bad everything (plastics, ceramics, dog food, etc.......) is for animals without a shred of scientific proof to back it up.

As an example....

Dog lifespans decreasing? Prove it. Giant breeds have ALWAYS had relatively short life spans. What is so special about 1976? I can pull stats out of my head, too.

The constant preservative rant? Preservatives are present in such minute quantities that they would be more accurately measure in PPM than weight, while the MSDS (safety data sheets) for ethoxyquin, for one, list a harmful dosage in terms of MG/KG of body weight.

There's more there, but I won't continue.