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    Soldiers face neglect, frustration, at army's top medical facility.

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    By Dana Priest and Anne Hull
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Sunday, February 18, 2007; Page A01

    Behind the door of Army Spec. Jeremy Duncan's room, part of the wall is torn and hangs in the air, weighted down with black mold. When the wounded combat engineer stands in his shower and looks up, he can see the bathtub on the floor above through a rotted hole. The entire building, constructed between the world wars, often smells like greasy carry-out. Signs of neglect are everywhere: mouse droppings, belly-up cockroaches, stained carpets, cheap mattresses.

    This is the world of Building 18, not the kind of place where Duncan expected to recover when he was evacuated to Walter Reed Army Medical Center from Iraq last February with a broken neck and a shredded left ear, nearly dead from blood loss. But the old lodge, just outside the gates of the hospital and five miles up the road from the White House, has housed hundreds of maimed soldiers recuperating from injuries suffered in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The Wounded and Walter Reed
    Five and a half years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre Walter Reed Army Medical Center into a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients.

    The common perception of Walter Reed is of a surgical hospital that shines as the crown jewel of military medicine. But 5 1/2 years of sustained combat have transformed the venerable 113-acre institution into something else entirely -- a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients. Almost 700 of them -- the majority soldiers, with some Marines -- have been released from hospital beds but still need treatment or are awaiting bureaucratic decisions before being discharged or returned to active duty.

    They suffer from brain injuries, severed arms and legs, organ and back damage, and various degrees of post-traumatic stress. Their legions have grown so exponentially -- they outnumber hospital patients at Walter Reed 17 to 1 -- that they take up every available bed on post and spill into dozens of nearby hotels and apartments leased by the Army. The average stay is 10 months, but some have been stuck there for as long as two years.

    Not all of the quarters are as bleak as Duncan's, but the despair of Building 18 symbolizes a larger problem in Walter Reed's treatment of the wounded, according to dozens of soldiers, family members, veterans aid groups, and current and former Walter Reed staff members interviewed by two Washington Post reporters, who spent more than four months visiting the outpatient world without the knowledge or permission of Walter Reed officials. Many agreed to be quoted by name; others said they feared Army retribution if they complained publicly.

    While the hospital is a place of scrubbed-down order and daily miracles, with medical advances saving more soldiers than ever, the outpatients in the Other Walter Reed encounter a messy bureaucratic battlefield nearly as chaotic as the real battlefields they faced overseas.

    On the worst days, soldiers say they feel like they are living a chapter of "Catch-22." The wounded manage other wounded. Soldiers dealing with psychological disorders of their own have been put in charge of others at risk of suicide.

    Disengaged clerks, unqualified platoon sergeants and overworked case managers fumble with simple needs: feeding soldiers' families who are close to poverty, replacing a uniform ripped off by medics in the desert sand or helping a brain-damaged soldier remember his next appointment.

    "We've done our duty. We fought the war. We came home wounded. Fine. But whoever the people are back here who are supposed to give us the easy transition should be doing it," said Marine Sgt. Ryan Groves, 26, an amputee who lived at Walter Reed for 16 months. "We don't know what to do. The people who are supposed to know don't have the answers. It's a nonstop process of stalling."

    Soldiers, family members, volunteers and caregivers who have tried to fix the system say each mishap seems trivial by itself, but the cumulative effect wears down the spirits of the wounded and can stall their recovery.

    "It creates resentment and disenfranchisement," said Joe Wilson, a clinical social worker at Walter Reed. "These soldiers will withdraw and stay in their rooms. They will actively avoid the very treatment and services that are meant to be helpful."

    Danny Soto, a national service officer for Disabled American Veterans who helps dozens of wounded service members each week at Walter Reed, said soldiers "get awesome medical care and their lives are being saved," but, "Then they get into the administrative part of it and they are like, 'You saved me for what?' The soldiers feel like they are not getting proper respect. This leads to anger."
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    It goes on...and on and on...it's one of the most depressing things I've ever seen. Bush talking about how our soldiers deserve the best care when they get home...

    "We owe them all we can give them," Bush said during his last visit, a few days before Christmas. "Not only for when they're in harm's way, but when they come home to help them adjust if they have wounds, or help them adjust after their time in service."

    ...then more stories about how that is NOT what we are providing....

    Staff Sgt. John Daniel Shannon, 43, came in on one of those buses in November 2004 and spent several weeks on the fifth floor of Walter Reed's hospital. His eye and skull were shattered by an AK-47 round. His odyssey in the Other Walter Reed has lasted more than two years, but it began when someone handed him a map of the grounds and told him to find his room across post.

    A reconnaissance and land-navigation expert, Shannon was so disoriented that he couldn't even find north. Holding the map, he stumbled around outside the hospital, sliding against walls and trying to keep himself upright, he said. He asked anyone he found for directions.

    ...Next time I see someone with a W and a yellow ribbon on their gas guzzling SUV something in my brain is going to burst.

    Thank you Wolf_Q!

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    Of course there's no comments in the article about the fact that WR is being closed and consolidated into a new facility.

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    Yes. There are.

    So because it's going to be closing by 2011 we don't have to care for the people there now?

    Thank you Wolf_Q!

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    I've heard of other reports on this very subject. No one is talking about
    the enormous amount of wounded coming home from war zones.

    It galls me no end that the very people who shout about support for the
    troops, can overlook the abysmal care they are given when they come home.
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    Okay, enough.

    I have had several friends from my unit go through Walter Reed, and NONE of them have complained about the care they were given there, either in the hospital itself or as outpatients.

    If you want to point fingers at someone for this, ask congress why they hadn't given the military the money to repair or upgrade the facility. WRAMC has been on the BRAC list for years, and as such there is no money for facilities maintenance. Congress couldn't decide whether or not they wanted to close it, and the Army has gotten burned too many times for "scandals" because major renovations were done at a post that got closed. It was a running joke in the military in the '90s that if your post got a new comissary, start packing, the post is gone.

    There isn't a post in the military that has enough money for proper housing. Base maintenance isn't cool, doesn't bring jobs or megabucks to congressman XYZ's political district, and you can't exactly make the front page for getting $$$ to renovate post housing at the local base. It has long been a sore spot in the military, and in the Army in particular.

    Does that make WRAMC wonderful? No. This, however is not solely the fault of the current administration. The administration deserves credit for finally getting something done about it.

    When they close military posts, you know what happens to the housing on base? 90% of it gets torn down, as it is substandard for section 8 requirements. No one wants it. The officers' quarters normally get sold, as they are the only ones that meet any kind of building code,. When FT. Devens in MA was closed, over 95% of the post housing was torn down. they kept 15 brick buildings from the oldest section of post. The rest was to the scrapheap.


    The leasing of hotels off base to house soldiers in post operative care is thinking out of the box for the army. The WRAMC commander deserves credit for getting that done, and the former SecDef also had something to do with it.


    As to the soldier's comments? Soldiers complain. Period. You could put a soldier in a suite at the luxor in Vegas for recovery, and they'd find something wrong. Add to the nature of most soldiers the fact that that most of them are going through treatment for psych injuries as well as physical injuries, and that alone explains some of the comments.
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    BTW, as far as the Army retribution for complaining? It's not the complaining the Army would take action for. There are a myriad of ways to address complaints like this in the army, and they involve internal Army channels as well as external political channels. What the Army would take action for is talking to non-credentialed reporters, which is a violation of a standing order. A soldier can say almost anything they want to to a reporter, as long as it doesn't involve tactics/techniques/procedures or other confidential information. What a soldier CANNOT do, however, is talk to a reporter who doesn't have proper credentials. Nice scoop, guys. I hope the article 15's that the soldiers may get for your report are worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human
    As to the soldier's comments? Soldiers complain. Period. You could put a soldier in a suite at the luxor in Vegas for recovery, and they'd find something wrong. Add to the nature of most soldiers the fact that that most of them are going through treatment for psych injuries as well as physical injuries, and that alone explains some of the comments.

    Just wanted to bump this thread back up and see if we can now all agree that something is stinky at WRH? Or, are the soldiers still simply complaining.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cataholic
    Just wanted to bump this thread back up and see if we can now all agree that something is stinky at WRH? Or, are the soldiers still simply complaining.....

    I've thought about this thread since the sh** hit the fan recently. Where
    are the defenders of the status quo now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human

    As to the soldier's comments? Soldiers complain. Period. You could put a soldier in a suite at the luxor in Vegas for recovery, and they'd find something wrong. Add to the nature of most soldiers the fact that that most of them are going through treatment for psych injuries as well as physical injuries, and that alone explains some of the comments.
    Well, I sure don't know which soldiers you talk to that complain so much. In the 18 months that my husband was in Iraq, I can count on one hand the number of times he complained about anything. One of my best friends is in Bagdad and I haven't heard him complain about his job, accomodations or anything else that has to do with his being deployed. My BIL is headed out in just a couple of months - back into a war zone - and I haven't heard him complaining much either.

    I was military and then a military wife - living in crappy base housing around the world - and not only did I rarely complain about it, I don't recall anyone else complaining either.

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    Soldiers around family members are completely different from soldiers around other soldiers. I've said things to my father (who is a Korean war vet) and other soldiers that I would never say around the non-military members of my family.

    Liz, my post wasn't defending the status quo. However, it is what it is. The people who control the purse strings of the military (congress) never give enough funding to base improvements, especially bases that are going away.
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