Question on Disecting Cats

[wolfsoul]

I suppose you're right that knowingly ill animals shouldn't be sold to the public...I don't believe, that unless the experiments themselves caused the sicknesses, that the animals would be ill. Especially rats that are kpt in very sterile lab environments. I'll ask my teacher about this.

This is one of the reasons I say that animals should not be tested on for human research...

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
I suppose you're right that knowingly ill animals shouldn't be sold to the public...I don't believe, that unless the experiments themselves caused the sicknesses, that the animals would be ill. Especially rats that are kpt in very sterile lab environments. I'll ask my teacher about this.

This is one of the reasons I say that animals should not be tested on for human research...

Very Good!

Now what we may never know is how many people WOULD die had those drugs not been used on animals.

I understand your concern about animal testing but we cannot allow big companies to test on humans alone...

Also ask you teacher about THALIDOMINE,

Ask first then go look it up. Compare what they say to what is printed in the records. Or you can do it to see just how much the teach has read about it...

If they are 'STAND UP' teachers, they will help you get material, if they do not know, or be with
you as you look for it.


P.s.

I am not always right.

When you look at both sides of an issue and put yourself in the middle you can never be wrong.

Just don't tell anyone else.....

[Twisterdog]

Pig heart valves ? Ever hear of one that worked for longer than a few days ?

Shhhhh .... don't tell the tens of thousands of people in the world today who have pig heart valves keeping them alive for years and years and years.

[lizbud]

Did you all see this ? Pretty weird "Show & Tell".


Pa. Boy Faints at Sight of Cadaver's Arm
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By JUDY LIN, Associated Press Writer

PITTSBURGH - A doctor's idea of show and tell — opening up a cadaver arm in front of fifth-graders for a lesson in anatomy and art — caused one student to faint and made others feel sick from the smell of formaldehyde.



Some parents complained to a board member at the Fox Chapel Area School District. School officials Thursday said they would look into the matter.


The limb was brought in Tuesday by Dr. Michael Horowitz, a neurosurgeon whose children attend Fairview Elementary School in Fox Chapel, a well-to-do suburb about five miles east of Pittsburgh.


Horowitz, whose son was in the classroom, was using the arm as a visual aid for a discussion on the 1875 Thomas Eakins painting "The Gross Clinic," which shows a surgeon removing diseased bone from a patient's thigh. A 19th-century art critic called the work "a picture that even strong men find it difficult to look at long, if they can look at it at all."


During the discussion, Horowitz opened the cadaver arm to show students nerves, tendons and other parts. There was no blood. He said he discussed carpal tunnel syndrome and explained to the children how there isn't really a funny bone.


"I've found kids are actually pretty tolerant of seeing stuff like this. They don't really see it as disgusting. When you see it in a lab, it's different," Horowitz said.


The boy who fainted had passed out for 10 to 20 seconds and was taken to the nurse, district spokeswoman Bonnie Berzonski said. He returned to school the next day, she said.


Five of the 66 students left the classroom at some point because of the strong smell of the preservatives, Berzonski said.


School member Shirley Wiley said about 10 parents called her to say they were stunned they were not notified about the presentation.


"In this case it was totally the parents' call. I think they had the right to do so," Wiley said.


The doctor said he was surprised by the complaints, saying he has visited the class and other schools with cadaver ears and eyes, as well as dog and rat brains.


"These same kids are taken to `The Matrix' and see people's heads blow off," Horowitz said. "We sort of accept it when it's entertainment but this is science."


The district has received no complaints about Horowitz's past visits but will review his most recent one to determine whether it was appropriate for fifth-graders, Berzonski said.


Students were told about the discussion in advance. However, "in hindsight, probably a letter should have been sent home and we will be doing that in the future," Berzonski said.


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[GoldenRetrLuver]

Originally posted by lizbud
Did you all see this ? Pretty weird "Show & Tell".

He did this in front of 5th graders? Smart move. I personally, think that's way too young to be doing a disection, or even a demonstration of one.

[Soledad]

I dissected a lamb's heart and lungs in fifth grade. No one was traumatized and quite a few of us (girls especially) decided that science was way cooler than we had thought.

[mimi420]

Twisterdog, they actually made you torture and kill a frog! That's horrible! I hope that highschool doesn't do that anymore! Totally inhumane. I would have been crying and throwing up if they made me do that!

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Very Good!

Now what we may never know is how many people WOULD die had those drugs not been used on animals.

I would assume less lol. If it wasn't tested on anything, people would be much less amused at the thought of trying the drug for themselves. Without any customers....

[mimi420]

Ibelieve in testing on murderers and child abusers.

[IttyBittyKitty]

Originally posted by 2kitties
I say be respectful of the animals contribution and try to learn as much as you can so the opportunity does not go to waste.

This is a good point, but I think it is going too far to have people dissecting animals like frogs and cats (to whom some young kids might have emotional attachement) ... I think that for a lot of children, dissecting a moggy that looks like kitty at home would be just too disturbing!

College students are different, especially if they are future vets!

[G.P.girl]

Originally posted by mimi420
I believe in testing on murderers and child abusers.

ME TOO!!!

[Cataholic]

We can have high schoolers (and even younger, it seems by reading some posts) dissect an animal but we can't have frank discussions on sex, birth control, homosexuality.


Hmm......interesting.....verrrrrry interesting....

[G.P.girl]

Originally posted by Cataholic


Hmm......interesting.....verrrrrry interesting....

yes..it is...isn't it?.....

[Twisterdog]

Originally posted by mimi420
Twisterdog, they actually made you torture and kill a frog! That's horrible! I hope that highschool doesn't do that anymore! Totally inhumane. I would have been crying and throwing up if they made me do that!

Yes, they did. It was truly one of the most horrible things I've ever had to see ... especially the ones that didn't quite go right, and the frogs weren't quite brain dead enough when they started on them. I won't go into any more details, but you get the idea, I'm sure.

[IttyBittyKitty]

Originally posted by Cataholic
We can have high schoolers (and even younger, it seems by reading some posts) dissect an animal but we can't have frank discussions on sex, birth control, homosexuality.


Hmm......interesting.....verrrrrry interesting....

Strange things afoot!