Question on Disecting Cats

[RICHARD]

Temporary Wound Covering


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I should have led off with this one to 'flesh out' my arguement.

[DJFyrewolf36]

I disected a pig in High school...the advanced anatomy class did cats though. I can't really say watching it bothered me (my friends were in the class) and it WAS educational. Being an Information Systems major in college, I obviously don't use the knowledge now lol. To me, those cats came in buckets of foul smelling liquid and were very much dead. Now if I had to KILL the cat first, I'd have a problem. Call me a hypocrite if you must, but I just don't have the disire or want to kill anything for any reason, unless I intend to eat said thing or I'm defending myself. Disection to me isnt killing the animal, it was dead long before my unskilled hands reached it! My husbands high school had a bio teacher that liked to kill monkeys...they would come in live from some wierd lab and the kids would have to gas the monkeys before they disected them...and it wasn't killing gas either, it was just a paralytic...so the monkeys were alive when they were cut up. Now THAT is animal cruelty in my eyes...at least the cats were *hopefully* humanely euthanized....
Oh and that Science teacher was fired eventually....

[lizbud]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Eggs to make vaccines,
Pig heart valves, Pig skin for burn victims.
Chimps testing artificial hearts.
Growing human parts on rats.
chimps and aids, ebola........


I took seven minutes, I was down stairs getting some fries and hot water, sorry.

How can you relate "eggs" to "vivisection ?

Pig heart valves ? Ever hear of one that worked for longer
than a few days ?

Pig skin ? They invented artificial skin some years ago. They
grow it from human skin cells in dishes.

Chimps testing artificial hearts ? What common heart substitute
did that provide?

Growing human parts on rats ? Any particular part ? Never
read anything about this one.

Chimps, Aids, Ebola ? These diseases have existed in nature
for a very long time & yes chimps can contract AIDS. No, it
does not spread from chimps to humans. Anything else?


I think you're mixing animal expermentation with animal
vivisection for it's own sake as a teaching tool in some schools.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Show your work....

Support your arguement.

NOT the lab experiment stuff, that is well documented......

Show me that schools obtain the bodies from those sources and how they support the torture and death of these animals.

My school buys rats from laboratories in the US. So does my friend's school in Ontario. And my teacher said that most schools buy expired lab rats to dissect.

They support the abuse of these animals by buying them, which in turn gives money to the laboratories.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by lizbud
How can you relate "eggs" to "vivisection ?



I think you're mixing animal expermentation with animal
vivisection for it's own sake as a teaching tool in some schools.

I can't spell vivisection let alone know what the
word means.


you win.


P.s. typical woman....you made me wait long enough..............


But then again...

Richard,

Ah, could you flesh out that argument a little more for me, huh?
Just go ahead a list all these great improvements in the medical
field gained through animal vivisection, o.k.? Take your time, I'll
wait.


I guess without taking apart animals we wouldn't know about all those things...Now I am confused......


I reed pruty gud and tri to understnd engklish, I thot I red ur kwestyon korrecktly.

Am I really that far off with the EGGS?


Wolf,

I think I missed something.

How are expired rats abused? Can you get more info from your teacher, more than just their word?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Wolf,

I think I missed something.

How are expired rats abused? Can you get more info from your teacher, more than just their word?

Well, I guess it's only a matter of opinion whether or not they'd be called abused...But in my own opinion, animal testing is just cruel. I know I wouldn't particularly enjoy having things constantly poked in me, or having wires attached to my brain...I wouldn't think it was so bad if they needed to do this research for the animal's sakes, but in most cases it's always for humans, and all species are different.

I'll ask my teacher who the main supplier is and see if I can find a site...

[RICHARD]

I'm not satisfied with my sarcastic replies...


Pig heart valves remain WORKING AFTER 10 YEARS.
Had I known you wouldn't read my links I would have shined them on.

Artificial skin?

WHA?????? you mean WE can do that???
a fricking mazing.....link please?

Read about the researchers growing ears on the
backs of mice.....great pics somewhere.....

Do you remember Walter Winchell, the puppetry guy?
Look up JARVIK, google it and see what happens.

Chimps and apes are close enough to humans in structure and composition to be and to help researchers in determining the course of the disease.


http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1995/...Mouse-Ear.html

Whose the leader of the club that's made for you and me?


M-i-c-k-e-y blow it out your ear!!!!!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Well, I guess it's only a matter of opinion whether or not they'd be called abused...But in my own opinion, animal testing is just cruel. I know I wouldn't particularly enjoy having things constantly poked in me, or having wires attached to my brain...I wouldn't think it was so bad if they needed to do this research for the animal's sakes, but in most cases it's always for humans, and all species are different.

I'll ask my teacher who the main supplier is and see if I can find a site...

You have dissected dead animals with wires in their brains?????????


Using animals for experiments and then selling those same animals so SO UNETHICAL it's not funny.

If you tell me that you have dissected rats with wires in their brains.....I'll call you on that one...One, for not making a stink about it before.

Those animals are dissected by the companies doing the experiments.
Try again.

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by RICHARD
You have dissected dead animals with wires in their brains?????????


Using animals for experiments and then selling those same animals so SO UNETHICAL it's not funny.

If you tell me that you have dissected rats with wires in their brains.....I'll call you on that one...One, for not making a stink about it before.

Those animals are dissected by the companies doing the experiments.
Try again.

No no no, that's not what I meant. I mean that laboratories do things like that, and by buying animals from them(whether or not these particular animals have evidence of abuse or not), you are giving the laboratories money, and they will have money to further continue such cruel experiments. It's the same reason some people don't buy IAMS -- You would be giving IAMS money, and therefore supporting the experiments they do. The animals in question do not have to have been experimented on for you to be supporting the laboratories' experiments. Any money towards them helps them to keep their animals and keep doing the same things to them.

[RICHARD]

lol


I am sooooooo stupid


It's PAUL


Paul Winchell: Paul Wilchen (amateur medical device inventor (patented an artificial human heart)/acupuncturist/Doctor of Divinity/ventriloquist (w/dummies Jerry Mahoney & Knucklehead Smiff)/cartoon voicist/movie & tv actor/director/writer, b1922)

[lizbud]

Oh Richard, you scamp.... You always say the cutest things.

Sorry I was late but I had an appointment to get my hair
done this afternoon.(Honestly, I was late getting there) Anyhoo
I'm beautiful again so , may I buy you a drink at Thursday's ?

Hey, who's minding the bar anyway ? Liz.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
No no no, that's not what I meant. I mean that laboratories do things like that, and by buying animals from them(whether or not these particular animals have evidence of abuse or not), you are giving the laboratories money, and they will have money to further continue such cruel experiments. It's the same reason some people don't buy IAMS -- You would be giving IAMS money, and therefore supporting the experiments they do. The animals in question do not have to have been experimented on for you to be supporting the laboratories' experiments. Any money towards them helps them to keep their animals and keep doing the same things to them.

If you buy the animals from the labs what do they use????

Or is that the overstock???

Please give me a link and please, no EARTHFIRST, GREEN PEACE or PETA sites.....I really want to see something without the slant attached to it. My equilibrium is not that good.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by lizbud
Oh Richard, you scamp.... You always say the cutest things.

Sorry I was late but I had an appointment to get my hair
done this afternoon.(Honestly, I was late getting there) Anyhoo
I'm beautiful again so , may I buy you a drink at Thursday's ?

Hey, who's minding the bar anyway ? Liz.

lol,

I am glad we can have a good row without the hard feelings.

I am proud of you!

and I apologize for being a smartass???

psst,

I'd wait for you as long as you wanted....

See being silly has it's advantages......


FRIENDS?

[wolfsoul]

Originally posted by RICHARD
If you buy the animals from the labs what do they use????

Or is that the overstock???

Those are the EXPIRED animals, meaning that they don't need these certain animals anymore because they have become sick, are too old, etc.

I don't have a link, like I said, I'm going to ask my teacher who the main supplier to the schools in the Okanagan is, and see if I can find a website.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Those are the EXPIRED animals, meaning that they don't need these certain animals anymore because they have become sick, are too old, etc.

I don't have a link, like I said, I'm going to ask my teacher who the main supplier to the schools in the Okanagan is, and see if I can find a website.

I can only surmise that those animals were kept alive and as healthy as they could be in order for them to be used as control subjects....

You cannot possibly, unless you are making the animals sick yourself, use ill animals as a control group.....

and any company selling ill animals to the public would and should be shut down...it's not ethical...

ask teach about control groups and scientific methods for doing experiments....


Please.


BTW,

I am not a doctor or anything like that.I don't have any degrees - just a few years of college and
I like to read.