Question on Disecting Cats

**wolfsoul** · 01-08-2004, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by trayi52
The eigth graders here were disecting baby pigs.

Ooh, that's another thing we're dissecting! We're dissecting rats, baby pigs, pig fetuses, grasshoppers, starfish, and mussels. All this year!

I'll do all of the except the mammals. I don't know what it is about dissecting a mammal that makes me sad and freaks me out.

We have real disected animals all over the class. Why do we need to stick a knife in it and play with it's insides ourselves to "understand biology?" I'm perfectly happy looking at the pictures in the text book.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by lizbud
I don't think it's stupid Richard, but grade school & high school
students can better learn to "honor the creatures" by learning
about the nature of living animals instead of cutting up the dead
bodies. Save the investigative studies for serious Vet students
of college age who could become animal healers.

Ah, but would your trust your own body to a person who learned surgery from a book?

there is a tactile sense to learning you cannot find on paper or a computer screen.

I was totally against the dissection that I did but it helped me learn and appreciate life and death.

Don't worry.

One day the chance will be taken away from someone who just may take that experience and make something of it.

The Wrights were told they couldn't do it.

John Kennedy was blowing smoke out his ass when he said we would get to the moon by 1970.

Pastuer and the Curies we also stupid crackpots.

Jonas Salk wasn't all together there.....

I have always admired people who swallow a little of their pride and beliefs to get where they wanted to get to. But then again we can always nip that wonder and desire to learn in the bud and discourage the desire to learn, explore and find out how we can make life better for us and our pets.

I wonder what your Shawnee forefathers thought about rooting around in that carcass and wondering just how things worked...

But then again they may have only been interested in tomorrow's
dinner.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by 2kitties

...Then you come in here with posts like this that are bold, truthful, well spoken, educated, indisputable and ...well, perfect.

Well said, my friend.

am I slipping?

By the way..

Liz,

Do not take me seriously.

The knowledge I took from that class has always been the foundation of the knowledge I apply in my job. I took the time to
put aside my ideas and took the chance to see for myself.

Was it pleasant? NO!

Was it worth the suspension of my ideals?

Hell Yes.

The next time you go to the doctor think about all the 'dissections'
that came before the treatment you get.

Chances are there were some very unpleasant things that went on before you were given a pill or injection......

Sometimes it's helpful to ignore that in order to feel better.

Thanks for sticking to your guns!!

**catlover4ever** · 01-08-2004, 09:34 AM

I went through the same thing in High School. I took an human biology class and part of the class was disecting a cat. I have to say that at first I did not want to do it, but looking back now, as the owner of 5 cats, this was the best class I ever took. I have more of an understanding of my animals now than I ever did before.

**wolfsoul** · 01-08-2004, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by RICHARD
By dishonoring them and using them as fertilizer or putting then in an incinerator we waste an opportunity to learn from their short and painful lives.

Most of the lives aren't short, but painful, yes. Alot of the animals you dissect are animals from laboratories that live long painful lives. They kill them when they are expired, and give them to schools. By the schools buying and taking these animals, they are supporting the tortures and deaths of thousands of animals every year. I'm completely against letting animals live in this life, and completely against supporting it. If it was an animal that was euthanised it was sick and wouldn't make it, I wouldn't have such a problem with it.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by wolfsoul
Most of the lives aren't short, but painful, yes. Alot of the animals you dissect are animals from laboratories that live long painful lives. They kill them when they are expired, and give them to schools. By the schools buying and taking these animals, they are supporting the tortures and deaths of thousands of animals every year. I'm completely against letting animals live in this life, and completely against supporting it. If it was an animal that was euthanised it was sick and wouldn't make it, I wouldn't have such a problem with it.

Show your work....

Support your arguement.

NOT the lab experiment stuff, that is well documented......

Show me that schools obtain the bodies from those sources and how they support the torture and death of these animals.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 02:24 PM

Originally posted by Soledad
Wow, Richard. You said exactly what I felt about this issue.

LOL,

You know you like the edgy side of hanging with SATAN......

**Soledad** · 01-08-2004, 02:31 PM

Ha!

Would you be the "Great Satan" or just the "Okay Satan"?

**lizbud** · 01-08-2004, 02:35 PM

Cat Dissection in America

http://www.sniksnak.com/aavs3.html

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Soledad
Ha!

Would you be the "Great Satan" or just the "Okay Satan"?

Just plain satan, is okay.....I'm not into the honorifics.....people expect too much from you when you have an official title.

Liz,

Ummm,
can you flesh out that arguement a little more?

Stories of kids getting paid a dollar for a cat
aren't exactly what I was looking for.

Also, these nameless factories/research places leave me wondering who they are.

There was a thread a while back on companies who did use animals as research victims.

As I stated before-to live in the world today, without benefitting from animal research you may as well pack up all your stuff and head off to the mountains and live like a hermit.....try going thru your day WITHOUT using anything that wasn't produced, manufactured, developed or derived from research done on animals.

I have no problem with ANYONE objecting to animal research...As nasty as that dirty little secret is here and around the world we would be alot worse off had we not headed into that direction.

I am probably the biggest WUSS you would ever meet. I hate to see any animal suffer or be mistreated....But I do realize the leaps we have made in medicine from those processes...
It's a trade off that doesn't make me feel good,
but when I look at the benefits I lose my taste for being so uppity about this arguement.

If you try and look at every danger on your way down the street you won't get very far.

**lizbud** · 01-08-2004, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by RICHARD

...But I do realize the leaps we have made in medicine from those processes...

Richard,

Ah, could you flesh out that argument a little more for me, huh?
Just go ahead a list all these great improvements in the medical
field gained through animal vivisection, o.k.? Take your time, I'll
wait.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by lizbud
Richard,

Ah, could you flesh out that argument a little more for me, huh?
Just go ahead a list all these great improvements in the medical
field gained through animal vivisection, o.k.? Take your time, I'll
wait.

Eggs to make vaccines,
Pig heart valves, Pig skin for burn victims.
Chimps testing artificial hearts.
Growing human parts on rats.
chimps and aids, ebola........

I took seven minutes, I was down stairs getting some fries and hot water, sorry.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 03:25 PM

My mom said it was never nice to keep a lady waiting.

**RICHARD** · 01-08-2004, 03:40 PM

Your newborn is cyanotic and unable to breathe properly.

It's got a bad heart.

You can have a babboon heart implanted until a suitable transplant heart is found...

What are you going to do?