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    re: I was crying, the whole story.

    Ok, so Niño’s been acting differently/weirdly lately. This is a re type of a really long lost post.
    NOTE: to put emotions to the dialogue, I will list them before a person speaks then use a:.
    I have been taking Niño around town and tying him up outside of stores for the past three or four years, but I think I will have to stop. Sometimes, Niño does something really weird at oncoming bikers, rollerbladers, etc. He gets really exited, crouches down, then spring up and out barking and then pulls back to me. His bark can be really scary, deep throated and rolling, thunderous, with a sort or “pull-back” inhale that sounds like a growl, but that is his normal bark. I was at Walgreen’s yesterday and Niño was tied out in the front sort of by the door. I was in a horrible mood, and then an employee came walking up to me, here is our discussion to the bet of my memory.
    unsure: “Um, is that your dog out there?”
    fed up: “Yes, he is my dog.”
    Stupidly: “Well, he just tried to attack someone and—“
    frustrated at him: “You mean bark, because he doesn’t attack, he barks sometimes, not tied up though, because—”
    no emotion: “Well, he just did it for no reason and it sounded like an attack, and—“
    REALLY : “That’s his regular bark!”
    (no real emotion detectable): “Yeah, they just rode by on a bike [Niño was probably sleeping] and he jumped up and—”
    “Ok, ok, ok”
    “Well, I just wanted to let you know that if he ever attacks someone again, you could—”
    “Go away. Shut up.” (yes, I actually said that)
    As I was headed to the checkout to check on him and buy him a blue octopus toy, I heard his bark again, just twice. I ran to the door and no one was there, I showed him the octopus and started to turn to the checkout when a father and his two small girls came up, Niño likes small girls but I thought I’d go out anyway, so I dropped the octopus and walked over to him. He was fine with the girls, but once they were away, the dad leaned a tiny bit over, from about 3 yards away and said in a sweet dog tone, “hi” and Niño barked again, just bark this time.
    He loves my stepdad, but I am thinking this could be fear of other men because my uncle got mad at Niño for eating the whiffle balls that I had been playing catch with him with for the past two weeks. We explained they were his, and then my stepdad came out and said they really shouldn’t have been his, shame on me for giving them to him, but my uncle picked them up and let my cousin hit them off of a tee. Niño chased them, but brought them back and my uncle got really mad. This was the exact game I had been playing with poor Niño! )except with a raquetball racket) so my uncle chased him around with a bat!!! He ever bopped him on the but and nose with it until my started screaming at him, (louder than I had been) and took Pobre Niño into my room.
    Back to the yesterday, he lunged and barked to a scooterest and a walker WHILE IN MY ARMS!!!! I was crying, something the back of my mind (although I didn’t realize it until now) linked this behaviour to the main reason that my parents gave Layla away. In my opinion, the worst and hardest dog behaviour problem to deal/live with, FEARBITING! Also, at the library, a librarian saw me walking up to Niño and told me she scolded several 10 to12 year old or so boys for teasing him. They told her off for telling them what they can and can’t do, then they told her that they all had dogs, so this behaviour was all of the sudden acceptable. I don’t know how they were teasing him, probably riding their bikes up to him fast and quickly pulling away.
    Does anyone have any idea as to what is causing this behaviour and maybe how to fix it? I might have to use my own saved money that I was saving for the next 3 years for a show dog or horse or travel on a private behaviourest evaluation.
    (sorry, that was more than a page in word)

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    OMG.. that must've been so scary for you. I'm really sorry!! To me atleast, it does not sound like Nino is a threat. He's probably suffering from leash/tied-up anxiety... you know, how they say dogs that spend their life tied up become very agressive? Nino being tied up in public places, unable to run away from fearful things and unable to get protection/reassurance from you, is a much smaller version of the aggression of dogs that are *always* tied up. Personally, I would *never* tie my dog up in a public place for any period of time... because, these days, people suck. People are stupid, cruel, and reckless toward animals everywhere.. especially dumb kids .

    It sounds like Nino is scared and frustrated because he can't get AWAY from these dumb people, and you're nowhere in sight. Maybe just try taking him to town with you when some one is there to hold his leash and walk around with him while you're in the store, or just take him to pet-friendly stores (Pet Store, Feed Store, hardware store, etc). To get him accustomed to bikes going by, you should desensitize him to Bikes/scooters/skateboards. Slowly, after desesitizing to a stationary bike, walk him in areas where you know bikes are going by. Keep a far distance from the bike and put him in a sit-stay and give him treats and praise for not paying attention to the bikes.... then, slowly get closer and closer to the bike-riders going by until he's calm and focused on you while bikes are going right past you. Obedience class might be helpful. I don't know if I'd totally recommend a behaviorist right now, it depends on how he acts WITHOUT being tied up and alone. He was probably very scared and just telling the bikers/people to leave him alone



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    Thanks, I will try that. He is ok with me skateboarding or rollerblading, which I do and I do take him to petsmart a lot ( I'm taking him today) but we can't go that ofter because it is 3 miles away and on bussy streets.

    Nińo & Eliza



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    I'm sorry you had to have such a frightening and sad experience with Nino. Bckrazy's post was a good one and pretty much gives the explanation that I would feel is most likely. The other thing is that it only takes one time of someone frightening him or teasing him while tied up to trigger that 'fight or flight' instinct (of course while tied up, he can't take the flight option) and it can suddenly become something he does every time.

    Think of it like this, if someone had a bad accident at a certain intersection, they will probably always be nervous and anxious when they go through that intersection again. Also, when the person/biker/boarder goes away after he does it, it reinforces that as a solution. He learns that lunging/barking means the scary person goes away. I think you should definitely end the tying and leaving, especially since now it has become a situation of high anxiety for him and he is acting increasingly alarmed, which transfers into increasingly aggressive behavior. The first step in all this is to take away/stop the scenario that's causing the behavior to occur, and then like bckrazy said, work gently and slowly on desensitizing to things that cause alarm.

    If he's fine around your bike and so on, perhaps try to take him to an area where bikes go by at a distance first, and slip him a yummy treat like cheese or hotdog bits when a bike goes by until he's completely oblivious to bikes and people going by. I would stress that it's important to start out farther away from them where he feels fairly safe. Very gradually, over days/weeks even, inch a bit closer and continue doing this until you reach the point that a bike can pass by him pretty close with him being relaxed. If at some point he suddenly shows alarm and barks, it's VERY important not to give him any attention for it, simply take his leash and walk him away and let him calm down on his own. If you get stressed out or hug him or scold him or do anything like that, it will reinforce the behavior. Try as much as possible to stay calm and confident, he will pick up on your emotions too.

    If you can get him to the point where he is calm when bikes and skateboarders etc go by him, that is great, but I still would not leave him tied outside anymore because it places him and you in a situation where you are not in control, and it only takes one idiot or jerk to go by and traumatize him to the point where he's back at square one, or maybe even worse than before.

    I wish you the best, and give that sweet boy a hug from me .
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    They said what I would of said. Sorry I can't be of more help. I am wishing you good luck though!!!
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    I'm so sorry. I don't really have much to say, but good luck with him. He's not a bad dog, and we know that.

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    I would never leave my dog unattended like that. Besides the fact that someone could take him. You don't know what's happening while you're gone so it's probably not just his behavior, it's the people around him while you're gone. If you want to socialize him, walk him downtown and let people interact with him.

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    I agree with dukedogsmom, no way in a million years would I leave my dogs tied anywhere! You're lucky you still have your dog.
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    I really think that is a very bad idea to ever leave a dog tied up alone like that. If I did that Nebo would freak out so bad he'd pull out of his collar and run off....just not a good situation to be putting your dog in. You can't trust strangers around your dog so it's best to not leave him in a situation like that.

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    Ditto to the last 3 posts.

    It's just not a good place to put your beloved pet in.

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    I agree with what everyone has said. I know you had good intentions taking him with you but it is just not fair to him or you.

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    Originally posted by dukedogsmom
    I would never leave my dog unattended like that. Besides the fact that someone could take him. You don't know what's happening while you're gone
    I have to agree,,,, i would NEVER EVER leave my dog tied up outside and unattended,, one day youll come back to NO DOG! Did you ever think that somebody might steal him? the horror stories I could tell you,,,,
    If I cant take my animal with me to where I am going,, they dont come,, they stay at home where they are safe from predators,,,,, human and animal alike,,, its a nasty world out there for a being who cant yell for help or defend themselves....

  13. I agree... lord knows what goes on while you are in the stores.

    plus someone just might give him something very unpleasent to eat.. and youd have no idea of knowing about it till it might be too late.

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    I agreed - I would rather leave my Tobey at home where he is surrounded by familiar things that risk leaving him unattended outside a shop....sometimes you have to accept that your best friend can't come everywhere with you for his own safety and well being

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    I know, He has always been pretty wary of strangers though. Yesterday there was music and lots of bikes/ people at the park and so we went and stayed towards the outside and he did awsome.

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