Bush Expresses "Deep Disgust"

[lizbud]

I can hardly believe this of American troops..... both men & women.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...tos/index.html

[RICHARD]

This one had me puzzled too....

But I do want to say something, But,in no way does it condone their behavior....

When you look at the pics it's something you would see from a college frat/hazing party....At least that's my first impression...

"Line up all the new people get them naked and let's get them initiated...Humiliate them a little and we'll let them be...."

No reports of people dying or being hurt....

Soon after Baghdad fell there were some video clips of the Republican Guard (lolol, Republican Guard.........what would the Democratic Guard be like??)pushing people off of a roof, with their hands tied behind their backs, men having their arms broken by laying them across two bricks and whacking their forearms with a club and my 'personal favorite'-- using a pair of scissors to cut a tongue off.....

Those pictures are going to make the US look like a bunch of cruel people, But I never heard a peep from any other government about the atrocities that were commmited by the Iraqis, to the Iraqis..


So, when I see the world gasp at what some of our soldiers have done in Iraq, I can laugh at the people pointing their fingers at us and question their point of view when the REALLY GROSS POOP was going on...........



It's all anti-American bile from all the countries who treat their citizens far worse than a US military unit would...And if they are so kind, understanding and respectful of Human Rights, where are their soldiers??

Yep, It's pretty disheartening to see stuff like that, but look at the Killing Fields, Ethnic Cleansing, the Holocaust...

Me? I'd be first in line to jump in a pile of naked men.....It sure beats having my tongue cut off with rusty scissors.

[mugsy]

On the news this morning I heard that there are 8 Marines being court martialed for their actions.

[lizbud]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Yep, It's pretty disheartening to see stuff like that, but look at the Killing Fields, Ethnic Cleansing, the Holocaust...

Me? I'd be first in line to jump in a pile of naked men.....It sure beats having my tongue cut off with rusty scissors.

I'm sure you would.

but, because the "enemy " acts like this does not mean that
Americans act that way too. We are supposed to be bringing
"enlightened" democrative values to their culture.

[moosmom]

RICHARD,

AMEN TO THAT!!!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by lizbud
I'm sure you would.

but, because the "enemy " acts like this does not mean that
Americans act that way too. We are supposed to be bringing
"enlightened" democrative values to their culture.

I have to disagree with you on that point.
Humiliation is not acceptable, but far better than
mutilation or death.

The clips I told you about will make you sick...
something about watching an arm snap gives me the willies...I'll look them up and get you the address....

It wasn't acceptable but you can't blame the president for this.......look at the roots...you'll find the answer there.

[mugsy]

They made me angry because all that does it make the Iraqis hate us more. You know...blame the whole for the actions of a few to make yourself look better than you are.

[lizbud]

I must admit, this whole thing does really make me feel
embarressed by our troops's actions.

The only "explanation" I can think of is that war itself makes
mankind a little crazy. People become dehumanized in the
conflict & killing.

[popcornbird]

I read that........and saw the pictures, which made me sick to the stomach. I can't help but say I was shocked and incredibly disgusted by the actions of the troops. Shame on them.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by moosmom
RICHARD,

AMEN TO THAT!!!

Amen to jumping into a pile of naked men????
Not my cup of tea.

We have commited far worse crimes during a military action.

In WWII our answer to knocking out ball bearing factories in Germany was to fly B24 bombers and drop TONS of bombs onto a
city.....I am sure that those men thought about and quickly forgot the innocent people under their wings. War crime???

Maybe.

Google My Lai and William Calley, From Europe you'll time travel 25 years into the future and land in Viet Nam.....

War Crime?

Yes.

Let's move ahead- we end up in Iraq at the front door of a factory where we land a cruise missle on a building full of people.
People put there be some goofy dictator who has thumbed his nose at us and the rest of the world..

War Crime?
Blame THAT one on the other team.

Pride goeth before the fall.....Saddam landed so hard he ended up in a hole in the ground..


All in all I probably would be a little pissed off if I had to play be the rules while I have some monsters trying to kill me.

And I wonder how much I could take of some 'man' yelling at me to kiss his a**, telling me to ---- my mother and some other choice sex acts.......It's bad enough that they were shooting at them a little while ago...Now these soldiers have to put up with some face to face time with them...There ain't nothing worse than a sore loser. There is a film clip of some Iraqi spewing this crap at soldiers, I saw it.

Being spit, pissed on, bitten, threatened and having crap flung at you isn't fun, especially when you left your home behind to do this.

Listen to every story very carefully, don't believe everything you read...


Just as the acts of these few soldiers don't represent the bulk of our armed forces, the 'insurgents' don't represent the citizen's of Iraq......

Yeppers,
I am mad about this story, I wasn't there so I have to go by the photos......not a good sight......and I don't condone it...

You have to remember that these prisoners KNOW they will not be killed while in custody.....It's not the American way..

But If you aren't pointing a gun at some 19 year old Marine from TwoTramp, Texas you ain't gonna have your naked *** flashed across the planet on websites in every country..



"Hey, isn't that Ali from the Mosque??? He said he was going to fight the Americans.....'

"Yes, that's him! At least he's still alive, Saddam would have killed him for being captured..."

[popcornbird]

Wow...........I just read deeper into the article. It says that a British soldier urinated on a prisoner. I cannot BELIEVE they would do that! Sickening. Absolutely sickening. Such a shame.

[RICHARD]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in548570.shtml


After you check this article out look at the link at the bottom of the page about the reaction to the 'torture' pics in the Arab world..

It's the same old BS.......

Propaganda on both sides, the American press plasters the pictures all over and the Arab world just sit on their hands and complain, complain, complain.

Al-Jazeera anyone?

They liken this incident to what Saddam was doing, but what is THEIR FIX FOR IT? They never bothered to help their brothers, just around the corner when they needed assistance......Saddam was in power for 30 years.


Yes, the story is shocking about what those prisoners went thru
but judging from some of the stories I have heard about -stoning women for infidelity, mutilations as the penalties for committing crimes and some of the other stuff that goes on in the 'ARAB WORLD"

Isn't it funny that some people see a mirror and others just see a pane of glass when it comes to certain things.

I wonder what those same "Joes" that think the US is terrible think about homicide bombers and terrorists......

You'll hear the same yadda, yadda about the "occupiers, the occupation, palestine, Israel and more horse puckey.

It's the drama queen syndrome-the more you cry and moan about something, anything-the more people will look at you and say, "oh, that's terrible......."

It's more than politics, it's common sense......and I don't see too much of that in some places on the planet.

[lizbud]

PCB,

The British army have their own investigation going on over
these allegations. It's just sickening.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3675723.stm

[Lady's Human]

The abuse of prisoners is inexcusable, but what infuriates me is that when the offenders go to trial by courts martial, the media will not be there to close the loop on the story. By then it will be old news and not worth the headline. The atrocities make the US soldier in the field look bad, but the media will not stick around to see the justice meted out at the end of the day. It's just not newsworthy.

[2kitties]

Our troops made fun of the enemy troops and humiliated them. Not good judgement and should be punished.


BUT..... the other side of my brain can't help but see burnt bodies of Civilian Contractors drug through the streets and hung from bridges and dismembered.


Who's the animal?