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    The natives are getting restless...

    A op-ed by Pam Geller.

    Goes with my general theme of those who do not understand history are utterly doomed to repeat it... And we certainly are. Please spend 5 minutes and read this. You don't have to agree with with her, of course, but think about it.

    I do not agree with everything put forth in this article, especially the part about same sex marriage. But her history is spot on. Don't take our word for it if you disagree... I can recommend several resources to learn about who the Nazis really were. When you learn, the hair on your body will stand straight up when you look at our current and previous administrations through such a prism.

    I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied history all my life. I think there is something monumentally large afoot, and Ido not believe it is just a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes, these exist
    but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now
    coming into a sharper focus.

    Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it
    because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people
    react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something
    happening within our country that has been evolving for about 10 - 15 years.
    The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.



    We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing
    our economy. Why?

    We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history,
    and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think
    critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are
    not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?

    We have now established the precedent of protesting every close
    election (now violently in California over a proposition that is so
    controversial that it wants marriage to remain between one man and one
    woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?). We
    have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to
    write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream
    Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

    Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free
    fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of
    collapse, Social Security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire
    government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and
    know precisely what I am talking about.) The list is staggering in its
    length, breadth, and depth. It is potentially 1929 x 10. And we are at war
    with an enemy we cannot name for fear of offending people of the same
    religion who cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have
    the opportunity to do so.

    And now we have elected a man no one knows anything about, who has
    never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla ,
    Alaska . All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in
    their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip
    by drip, is unsettling if not d ownright scary (Surely you have heard him
    speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force
    stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course.
    The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he
    answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe is more
    important.)




    I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am
    now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has
    never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will
    divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign
    the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed
    coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again.



    I thought I would never be able to experience what the ordinary, moral
    German felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the savior was a former
    smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they did know was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory and promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully them into submission.

    And then he was duly elected to office, with a full-throttled economic
    crisis at hand [the Great Depression]. Slowly but surely he seized the
    controls of government power, department by department, person by person,
    bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The kids joined a Youth Movement in his name,
    where they were taught what to think. How did he get the people on his
    side? He did it promising jobs to the jobless, money to the moneyless, and
    goodies for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating
    the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages,
    better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country,
    across Europe , and across the world.

    He did it with a compliant media - Did you know that? And he did this
    all in the name of justice and .. . .. change. And the people surely got
    what they voted for. (Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.) Read
    your history books. Many people objected in 1933 and were shouted down,
    called names, laughed at, and made fun of. When Winston Churchill pointed
    out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in
    England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and
    called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though ..

    Don't forget that Germany was the most educated, cultured country in
    Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and
    universities. And in less than six years - a shorter time span than just
    two terms of the U. S. presidency - it was rounding up its own citizens,
    killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and
    neighbors against neighbors. All with the best of intentions, of course.
    The road to Hell is paved with them.
    "Unlike most of you, I am not a nut."

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    I'm curious about the parts with which you do agree.

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    The last 5 paragraphs sum it up perfectly.

    She talks about marriage laws in a light that might seem she disagrees with same sex marriage. I personally have no problems with same sex couples recieving the benefits of marriage. I would not call it marriage, but that is my opinion.

    But before we derail this thread already... What do you think about this? Can you see the parallels?
    Last edited by Puckstop31; 04-04-2009 at 09:28 AM. Reason: Lighten my tone. I should not post before coffee on days I am working. LOL
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    Personally, I think she's as wacky as a Saturday morning cartoon.

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    Fair enough. But can you please tell me why you think that? I ask because the historical parallels are undeniable.

    Now, before you dismiss me, I need to explain a bit further. No, I do not think the current administration has a goal of exterminating a race of people as the Nazis did. Nor do I think that they have evil intentions. but I do believe their goals are completley fascist in their nature. It will be "nanny state" fascism, but fascism none the less.

    Dictionary.com defines fascism as...

    "(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

    We are not fully there yet, but it is going that way. There is time to stop it, but only if more people will be willing to see what is going on.

    Have you ever wondered why the President's "Auto Task Force" has not ONE person on it who actually knows the Auto Industry? Better yet, how does he know what "cars the American people want to buy" are?

    Death and suppression by a thousand paper cuts.
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    You lost me as soon as I read her diatribe. This over-the-top hysteria because Obama was elected President - as my husband says, some people always have to have a bogeyman.

    When one spews extreme vitriol, one only succeeds in pushing people away – alienating them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    You lost me as soon as I read her diatribe. This over-the-top hysteria because Obama was elected President - as my husband says, some people always have to have a bogeyman.
    When one spews extreme vitriol, one only succeeds in pushing people away – alienating them.
    EXACTLY. For this President, it just happens to be big business. Soon, it will be some other "crisis". A crisis that only HE (government) can solve. If that solution requires a little bit of Liberty be lost, so be it.

    GWB did the same thing. Did you defend people on your side "spewing vitriol" in the EXACT same manner as this op-ed does? But personally, I do not see how drawing a historical comparison is "vitriol". That's the cool thing about historical fact... Its FACT. We can disagree with the conclusion of intent, but there is no denying the comparison.

    So, you could be right. We could end up living in a land of sunshine and roses. But then again, there is historical precedent for what is going on and the results have always been the same.
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    When I said as my husband says, some people always have to have a bogeyman., I was referring to the author of the article you posted.

    I don’t want to get into a name-calling thing with you, but Obama Derangement Syndrome seems to be a problem for Ms Geller. She believes that "any black man is ineligible to run for President and that any vote for himself or anyone else is invalid". That tells me all I need to know about this person.

    I don’t argue with the historical facts – I argue with her comparing Obama with the leaders of the Third Reich.

    I’m sorry you agree with her. I thought better of you. Now I’m out of this very unpleasant topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I don’t want to get into a name-calling thing with you, but Obama Derangement Syndrome seems to be a problem for Ms Geller. She believes that "any black man is ineligible to run for President and that any vote for himself or anyone else is invalid". That tells me all I need to know about this person.
    Please cite your source for that quote. I didn't see it in the above posting. I'm interested in learning more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kuhio98 View Post
    Please cite your source for that quote. I didn't see it in the above posting. I'm interested in learning more.
    source

    Puck, if you had used this article, I would have given your topic more serious thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    source

    Puck, if you had used this article, I would have given your topic more serious thought.

    Wow... I'd love to find the complaint Ms. Geller filed. Because if what the "chasingevil" site says is true, you would be correct to say that she is a bigot. Something to do this evening I suppose.

    Sources aside... No matter where you get it from, the similarities are undeniable. And its not just our current President. Its been pretty much every administration since Woodrow Wilson. Slowly but surely creeping more and more into our lives.

    But thanks for the info. I do have some more reading to do.
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    Talk about "utterly doomed". It's a great discription of anyone who
    gives weight to any of this woman's thoughts & ideals.

    Do you follow her blog? What a dingbat.
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    I don’t argue with the historical facts – I argue with her comparing Obama with the leaders of the Third Reich.
    You may not argue with historical facts -- but most historians do!

    "Facts" -- as it used is a slippery word. The Allies won WWII. That is a fact. We know because there are documents with that and signatures, etc.

    But HOW they won the war? That all becomes interpretation and analysis. One historian may consider a certain battle the "key" another a different battle.

    I am a volunteer at a local historical site. We frequently have historian come in and speak to us. No two have the same story. And - if you have a Native American historian and a historian whose focus is the European view -- Look out! Sparks are going to fly. Last week it was historians from two branches of the local tribe -- even they don't agree.

    I once visited a WWII museum in Normandy. I will never forget one line from the film they showed - About the "surprisingly audacious Yanks" who sort of popped in at the end and helped out a bit.

    There is an expression that "history is written by the side that won the war." That is why the name "Civil War" is more common than "War of Northern Aggression."

    So to suggest that someone's interpretation or analysis of historical events is a valid predictor of future events is to confuse cause with effect. The effect is the fact...the cause is opinion. If that was not true -- there would only be one book on history.

    p.s. I so often hear people compare Obama to Hitler based on his oratory skills and his desire to change how our government works. Great communicator who wants to change government -- doesn't that describe Reagan? Yet, I never hear him compared to Hitler.

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    I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books in six languages, and have studied history all my life.
    I went searching and found 2 books by Pamela Geller. One by Pamela L. Geller; the other by Pamela A. Geller. I’m reasonably sure that neither of these women is the Pam Geller from Atlas Shrugs - the author of the piece Puck posted. (Alliteration anyone?)

    Do you frequent that site on a regular basis? Dingbat is the word lizbud used to describe her – I think that is a kind assessment.

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    Truly, I thought I heard, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling" by the second paragraph. Wacky as a Saturday morning cartoon is a funny, but, apt, description!

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