Alternative Stimulus Plan?

[Puckstop31]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123318906638926749.html


Enjoy! Discuss! (Don't let the author scare you. Please actually read it first. LOL)


We can also hash out the major flaws in the plan that the House approved yesterday if you like.

[Puckstop31]

More on the bill that passed yesterday.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123310466514522309.html


Shameful, no?

[cassiesmom]

by our estimate only $90 billion out of $825 billion, or about 12 cents of every $1, is for something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus.

That doesn't sound good to me.

[Puckstop31]

That doesn't sound good to me.

Which is why it was wise for the Republicans to keep their hands off it. Whaddya know? The "R's" DO have a bit of spine.

Further... If this plan was such a home run, why did the President care if the Republicans supported it? Wouldn't he want them to NOT approve?

[lizbud]

Further... If this plan was such a home run, why did the President care if the Republicans supported it? Wouldn't he want them to NOT approve?

What, you didn't hear any of his campaign speechs? He said he would
seek a bi-partison effort for his ideas for change. Obama certainly does
not need Republican support to get a law passed. He has gone out of his
way to ask for their support.

[K9soul]

You know, I find it disturbing how some seem to be just gleefully hoping and waiting for the new president to falter and fall, to perhaps prove himself evil and corrupt. Comments made in other threads have appeared to hint that some would welcome his downfall and even internal war in the U.S. It is one thing to have misgivings and disagreements with the president, but something else to seem to be waiting and watching eagerly for mistakes and downfall, all for the sake of being proven right? For punishing those who voted for him? I'm not really sure why. Has this been done with past presidents? Of course. But does that make it right? No need to answer. It's really a rhetorical question. But some people, and not just people here, almost seem to WANT us to fail. When I say us, I mean us as a country, including our government. It's not so much the words, it's the attitude, the immediate gleeful spreading of any news deemed negative, and the disdain and sneering at any news that might be deemed positive. I guess I just will never understand.

[caseysmom]

Very well said K9soul.

[Puckstop31]

What, you didn't hear any of his campaign speechs? He said he would
seek a bi-partison effort for his ideas for change. Obama certainly does
not need Republican support to get a law passed. He has gone out of his
way to ask for their support.

Fair enough.

So tell me, what do YOU think is good about the bill? Have you seen what it will do? IS spending only 12% of it on actual stimulus things is a good idea? Better yet, how is ANYthing in this pork laden bill, CHANGE?

I really would appreciate an honest responce.

[Puckstop31]

You know, I find it disturbing how some seem to be just gleefully hoping and waiting for the new president to falter and fall, to perhaps prove himself evil and corrupt. Comments made in other threads have appeared to hint that some would welcome his downfall and even internal war in the U.S. It is one thing to have misgivings and disagreements with the president, but something else to seem to be waiting and watching eagerly for mistakes and downfall, all for the sake of being proven right? For punishing those who voted for him? I'm not really sure why. Has this been done with past presidents? Of course. But does that make it right? No need to answer. It's really a rhetorical question. But some people, and not just people here, almost seem to WANT us to fail. When I say us, I mean us as a country, including our government. It's not so much the words, it's the attitude, the immediate gleeful spreading of any news deemed negative, and the disdain and sneering at any news that might be deemed positive. I guess I just will never understand.

I understand what you are saying. I do. I don't want our country to fail. But I also don't want our government to inch its way ever more close to being a true socialist country. That is just not who we are. (Take a poll....) This nation was founded on a few basic ideas...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

My views have zero to do with Barack Obama the man. I do not hope with "glee" that he fails. I don't cheer when bad news happens.

I want our nation to prosper beyond anyone's dreams. The thing is, history PROVES that you do not get there by the methods our new President believes in. So I will execute my right and my DUTY (yours too) to resist "change" that further errodes our rights to LIFE, LIBERTY and The Pursuit of Happiness, for myself and for my posterity.

I believe the American People are better than our new President gives us credit for. We need only for government to GET OUT OF THE WAY and most will prosper. Government clearly got us into this economic mess. Why would we expect them to get us out?

The price of freedom is eternal vigilence.

[kitten645]

Very well said K9soul.

Ditto. People need to turn off the damn news and get on with life. You can over analyize anything and nothing is perfect. Any bit of help would be appreciated by myself and millions out of work.

Claudia

[RICHARD]

Ditto. People need to turn off the damn news and get on with life.

Does this apply to sports?

[lizbud]

Does this apply to sports?

Sports is the one exception.

[lizbud]

Ditto. People need to turn off the damn news and get on with life. You can over analyize anything and nothing is perfect. Any bit of help would be appreciated by myself and millions out of work.

Claudia

Besides, it's not even a "firmed up" bill yet. Four changes have already
been made to the form of the bill talked about here. Debate at this point is premature and should be llimited to the House & Senate.

[Puckstop31]

Besides, it's not even a "firmed up" bill yet. Four changes have already
been made to the form of the bill talked about here. Debate at this point is premature and should be llimited to the House & Senate.

Great non-answer. You should be a politician Liz!

FWIW, it passed the House already. Any comments on the House version of the bill? Can you tell me something in it that will really be a Stimulus and not just pork spending?

[Puckstop31]

Ditto. People need to turn off the damn news and get on with life. You can over analyize anything and nothing is perfect. Any bit of help would be appreciated by myself and millions out of work.

Claudia

Yeah, THAT is a good reason to shaft at least the next 2 generations. Can't you see that they have you just where they want you? To the point where you will accept ANYthing?

Better yet, tell me something about this current bill that will help YOU directly.