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    City's police dog killed by county man

    This was the headline on our paper today. Can you imagine the stupidity of the man who shot this dog?


    City's police dog killed by county man


    By J. STEVEN DILLON

    STAFF WRITER

    A Findlay police dog that once found 40 pounds of cocaine stashed in a car, and also helped put numerous criminals behind bars, was killed over the weekend after it wandered away from its handler's home south of Findlay.

    Flip, a 5-year-old Belgian Malinois, was shot at about 2:45 p.m. Saturday by a Jackson Township man who apparently felt threatened by the dog when it came onto his property.

    The shooter has not been charged, but authorities are investigating whether he overreacted by shooting Flip, since the canine reportedly was not being aggressive at the time.

    "We're investigating what happened and will turn our reports over to the prosecutor," Hancock County Sheriff's Capt. Roger Treece said Monday. "It will be the prosecutor's call" whether any laws were broken.

    Flip had been the partner of Findlay Police Patrolman Bryon Deeter since May 2003, but was "off duty" Saturday at the time of the shooting.

    Capt. Treece said Flip, who lived with Deeter, had been let outside to go to the bathroom when he got out of a fenced-in area and ended up at a neighbor's house, about one-fourth mile away.

    The neighbor saw the dog on his property when he returned home, and went into his home to get a shotgun, which he used to shoot the dog.

    The dog was in the man's backyard at the time.

    The man, who has told authorities he did not recognize the dog, called city police after the shooting.

    Sheriff Mike Heldman said the man indicated the dog was not acting aggressively when he shot him.

    "He said the reason he shot him was because he was concerned for the safety of his son, who was still in the vehicle," Heldman said.

    Findlay Police Chief Bill Spraw said Monday the department was saddened by the death of Flip, who was currently the city's only canine unit. Flip was purchased by the city in 2003 at a cost of $15,000, which included his training and the training of Deeter.

    Over the past three years, Flip and Deeter had teamed up to make numerous criminal arrests. Once, Flip found 40 pounds of cocaine concealed in a vehicle stopped on Interstate 75.

    Another time, Flip helped track down a man who had broken into a gas station in Carey.

    Flip was well known in the community, not only by criminals, but by students at the city's middle schools. Chief Spraw said Deeter and Flip would make regular visits to the schools, which would sometimes hold fundraisers to purchase equipment for the dog.

    One such fundraiser generated money that was used to purchase a device that automatically rolled down the window in the back seat of Deeter's cruiser -- where Flip rode -- when it got too hot inside.

    "Flip was a special dog and the kids loved him," Spraw said. "He was extremely gentle, except when his handler would give him commands. He knew when it was time to work."

    Spraw said some sort of memorial service will be held for Flip, who many of the city officers were extremely fond of.

    "He was like one of our own," the chief said. "He worked whenever Deeter was working, so he used to hang out with the guys all the time."

    Police Capt. Greg Horne said Deeter and Flip were a "good match," and worked extremely well together.

    "Their personalities were very similar," Horne said. Deeter and Flip, according to Horne, had an ability to be "low key" one moment, but then be very businesslike and aggressive the next minute, if needed.

    "I don't know if we'll ever find another dog like that," Horne said.

    Deeter said Flip was a dedicated partner and was still at the peak of his career. While police dogs have an average working life of about eight years, and eventually lose their keen sense of smell, he said Flip was showing no signs of slowing down.

    "He was still learning," Deeter said. "He still liked to work."

    Deeter, who was named the police department's officer of the year in 2004, credited Flip with making him a better police officer.

    Flip was trained not only to conduct building searches and track criminal suspects, but also to detect illegal drugs.

    "I haven't looked at the numbers, but he was probably 96-97 percent accurate (in drug detections) this year," Deeter said Monday. "A drug dog has to be 80 percent accurate to be certified. He was exceptional."

    Capt. Treece said Saturday's incident is being investigated as a shooting of a police officer, since Flip is considered a police dog.

    He said a local veterinarian today will conduct a necropsy, the animal equivalent of an autopsy, and the state Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation will handle the ballistics portion of the inquiry into the shooting.

    The gun used in the shooting has been seized as potential evidence.

    Once complete, reports will be forwarded to the Hancock County Prosecutor's Office. Charges of assaulting or harassing a police dog are possible.

    Under the Ohio Revised Code, it is against the law to assault or harass a police dog, even if the animal is off duty, if the offender has knowledge that the dog is police dog.

    It is also unlawful to recklessly engage in any conduct that is likely to cause serious physical harm or death to a police dog.

    In certain circumstances, a person who injures or kills a police dog or police horse can be required under state law to pay the cost of replacing the animal.

    One of the questions prosecutors will have to answer is whether the property owner had a right to shoot the dog since it was running at large on his property.

    State law allows for a dog to be killed if it is chasing or approaching in a menacing fashion, attempting to bite or otherwise endanger, or kills or injures a person.

    A dog can also be killed if it chases, injures or kills livestock, poultry, other domestic animals, or other animals (with the exception of cats) when the dog is on the property of another person.

    While it is not yet clear if charges will be filed in the shooting, Treece said it appears Saturday's incident could have been handled differently.

    "There appear to have been better options," he said. "The best thing to do, if there is a dog on your property that you're not familiar with, is to call the sheriff or the dog warden. Depending on the situation, we will respond or have the dog warden dispatched and hopefully prevent something like this from happening."

    Flip's death leaves the city without a canine unit for the first time since 1992. The sheriff's office currently has two dogs, Caikli and Becky, which Sheriff Heldman said will be made available to city police, as needed.

    "That they may have a little peace, even the best
    dogs are compelled to snarl occasionally."
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    What a sickening event ... how utterly STUPID of the jerk with the gun.

    Rest In Peace, Flip.

    My sincere Sympathies to Officer Deeter for the loss of his Partner.

    /s/ Phred

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    What a stupid man!!!!


    Poor pup.........
    RIP

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    What a terrible thing to happen. Why didn't he call someone? I think
    the guy seriously over-reacted to a non threating dog. That's so sad and
    unneccesary.
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    what an idiot!
    I think he needs the book thrown at him and he should pay the city back for money they invested into Flip.
    Maybe I watch too much CSI or Law and Order but part of me wonders if he had something to hide and knew the dog was a police dog and didn't want him being a dog and snoop it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shais_mom
    what an idiot!
    I think he needs the book thrown at him and he should pay the city back for money they invested into Flip.
    That was my first thought too Stacy. Since he can't be jailed for being this stupid, hit him where it hurts - in his wallet. What a jerk.

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    So let me understand this.

    A POLICE OFFICER lets his dog out unattended, the dog wanders a quarter of a mile from the officer's home and you people are mad at the guy with the GUN because he felt the need to defend his child from a dog he didn't recognize that was in his yard!?!

    Just for fun - would you be mad if the neighbor owned a large, powerful dog that got loose and wandered into the officer's yard and the officer shot it? Or would the neighbor still be an idiot - but this time because he left his dog out unattended?

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    I'll get in trouble for this ...



    Quote Originally Posted by LilacDragon
    So let me understand this.

    A POLICE OFFICER lets his dog out unattended, the dog wanders a quarter of a mile from the officer's home and you people are mad at the guy with the GUN because he felt the need to defend his child from a dog he didn't recognize that was in his yard!?!

    Just for fun - would you be mad if the neighbor owned a large, powerful dog that got loose and wandered into the officer's yard and the officer shot it? Or would the neighbor still be an idiot - but this time because he left his dog out unattended?
    1) Flip wasn't just "let out, unattended" ...
    He was turned out into his FENCED YARD - standard practice for the two Police Dogs *I* know.

    2) Guy with gun "defending his child" ...
    The "child" was quite SAFE - since he was still IN the car - not the yard ...

    "Sheriff Mike Heldman said the man indicated the dog was not acting aggressively when he shot him.

    "He said the reason he shot him was because he was concerned for the safety of his son, who was still in the vehicle," Heldman said."


    HARDLY a situation requiring deadly force:

    3) "Large, powerful, dog ..."
    A Belgian Malinois is a relatively SMALL dog as compared to a German Shepherd "Police Dog" ...
    A Belgian Malinois is a rather "friendly looking" dog - and unless acting under
    Direct Command of his handler - would NOT have been acting in an agressive fashion ... the local State Park's BM Police Dog acts like a frisky pup when she's off-leash and having "play time".

    4) Treece said it appears Saturday's incident could have been handled differently.
    "There appear to have been better options," he said.

    How true ... how sadly true.



    /s/ Phred

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    I tend to somewhat agree with Lilac. Although it could have definately been handled differently, no one was there. True no one here (I don't think...) would shoot a stray dog on their property. But in a place with more rural houses when there's a stray dog...if you let it go, what if it sticks around and endangers your child later on?

    Some people don't like dogs, especially ones on their property. Also, police officers should keep a close eye on their dogs, especially because they CAN and DO attack unprovoked.

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    [QUOTE]Belgian Malinois Breed Standard
    Herding Group

    General Appearance
    The Belgian Malinois is a well balanced, square dog, elegant in appearance with an exceedingly proud carriage of the head and neck. The dog is strong, agile, well muscled, alert, and full of life. He stands squarely on all fours and viewed from the side, the topline, forelegs, and hind legs closely approximate a square. The whole conformation gives the impression of depth and solidity without bulkiness. The male is usually somewhat more impressive and grand than his female counterpart, which has a distinctly feminine look.

    Size, Proportion, Substance
    Males are 24 to 26 inches in height; females are 22 to 24 inches; measurement to be taken at the withers. Males under 23 inches or over 27 inches and females under 21 inches or over 25 inches are to be disqualified. The length, measured from the point of the breastbone to the point of the rump, should equal the height, but bitches may be slightly longer. A square dog is preferred. Bone structure is moderately heavy in proportion to height so that the dog is well balanced throughout and neither spindly or leggy nor cumbersome and bulky.

    Temperament
    Correct temperament is essential to the working character of the Belgian Malinois. The breed is confident, exhibiting neither shyness nor aggressiveness in new situations. The dog may be reserved with strangers but is affectionate with his own people. He is naturally protective of his owner's person and property without being overly aggressive. The Belgian Malinois possesses a strong desire to work and is quick and responsive to commands from his owner. Faulty temperament is strongly penalized. [QUOTE]


    [QUOTE]
    German Shepherd Dog Breed Standard
    Herding Group

    General Appearance
    The first impression of a good German Shepherd Dog is that of a strong, agile, well muscled animal, alert and full of life. It is well balanced, with harmonious development of the forequarter and hindquarter. The dog is longer than tall, deep-bodied, and presents an outline of smooth curves rather than angles. It looks substantial and not spindly, giving the impression, both at rest and in motion, of muscular fitness and nimbleness without any look of clumsiness or soft living. The ideal dog is stamped with a look of quality and nobility--difficult to define, but unmistakable when present. Secondary sex characteristics are strongly marked, and every animal gives a definite impression of masculinity or femininity, according to its sex.

    Temperament
    The breed has a distinct personality marked by direct and fearless, but not hostile, expression, self-confidence and a certain aloofness that does not lend itself to immediate and indiscriminate friendships. The dog must be approachable, quietly standing its ground and showing confidence and willingness to meet overtures without itself making them. It is poised, but when the occasion demands, eager and alert; both fit and willing to serve in its capacity as companion, watchdog, blind leader, herding dog, or guardian, whichever the circumstances may demand. The dog must not be timid, shrinking behind its master or handler; it should not be nervous, looking about or upward with anxious expression or showing nervous reactions, such as tucking of tail, to strange sounds or sights. Lack of confidence under any surroundings is not typical of good character. Any of the above deficiencies in character which indicate shyness must be penalized as very serious faults and any dog exhibiting pronounced indications of these must be excused from the ring. It must be possible for the judge to observe the teeth and to determine that both testicles are descended. Any dog that attempts to bite the judge must be disqualified. The ideal dog is a working animal with an incorruptible character combined with body and gait suitable for the arduous work that constitutes its primary purpose.

    Size, Proportion, Substance
    The desired height for males at the top of the highest point of the shoulder blade is 24 to 26 inches; and for bitches, 22 to 24 inches.

    The German Shepherd Dog is longer than tall, with the most desirable proportion as 10 to 8½. The length is measured from the point of the prosternum or breastbone to the rear edge of the pelvis, the ischial tuberosity. The desirable long proportion is not derived from a long back, but from overall length with relation to height, which is achieved by length of forequarter and length of withers and hindquarter, viewed from the side.


    Approved February 11, 1978
    Reformatted July 11, 1994
    [QUOTE]

    Hmmm. According to AKC's breed standard for the German Shepherd and the Malinois - size wise is dead on. Having spent several years in Germany and having worked with military police, I can tell you that a police trained Mal is a very intimidating creature and to someone who doesn't know dogs - they look very much like a GSD.

    Look. I don't think the dog should have been shot. But none of us was there or knows what that man saw. Calling him a jerk, an idiot and stupid is kind of like him over-reacting to a loose dog, don'tcha think?

    As for the dog being turned out in a fenced in yard "standard practice for the two police dogs" that you know - well that is nice to know.

    If I let my dog out in my fenced yard and it escapes from my yard and threatens someone or makes someone feel threatened - that is MY fault and you can damn sure bet that the local police would feel free to impound my dog and issue me a ticket.

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    I scanned the picture from the paper as they did not have the picture on line. As you can see Flip was not a "large, powerful dog" at all. The article also says he was gentle. I did not think so much that he was trying to protect something he had on his property but wondered if he had a gripe against the police officer or police in general




    Issuing you a ticket and impounding your dog is quite a leap to shooting the dog and killing it. I still don't understand why he couldn't have called the police or since the man and dog lived there for several years, why he couldn't have called the dog owner.

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    Ok. I give up and you are right. The shooter was at fault because he should have known that the dog was a police dog, was gentle and was awarded the special priveledge of wandering the neighborhood at will.

    What was I thinking?

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    I dont care what breed of dog it is, if a stray dog comes onto my property, my first instict is NOT to shoot it!! and yes i have kids! I make sure the kids are inside, and then i try to find out who/where the dog belongs! I have had akitas, rotties, labs, acd's, shepards, saint bernards, and many others come onto my property. I sure as heck didnt shoot first and ask questions later! If they are not friendly enoough to come to me, then I call animal control and they take care of the dog, but I have only had that happen once, and that was because the dog was hurt, and scrared. I could see if the guys child was in the yard, and the dog was acting aggressive. But the kid was in the car! and the guy left the kid in the car to go and grab a shot gun! He obviously didnt think the dog could get to the child other wise he would have taken the child in the house with him! The guy overreacted!! Seriously overreacted!
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    Flip

    This is tragic any way you look at it. My dad used to help train police dogs. I got to play with them as a child. They are very well behaved, however I must say that after looking at the photo of Flip, he does look a bit like a pit bull and from far away say maybe 30 or 40 feet, I would be a little scared. Sorry all you pit bull lovers but the bred makes me nervous. Perhaps this man looking at Flip thought he had a pit ball mix on his hands and fired away. Very Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilacDragon
    Ok. I give up and you are right. The shooter was at fault because he should have known that the dog was a police dog, was gentle and was awarded the special priveledge of wandering the neighborhood at will.

    What was I thinking?
    NO. definitely not! police dog or not, the dog should not have been wandering! but did he deserve to be shot??
    Maggie,

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