Frightened Cavalier

[wombat2u2004]

Hi All........
I have a problem which I hope someone may be able to help me with.
I have a 9 year old female King Charles Cavalier Spaniel....she has always been an inside pet, always lived inside the house with unrestricted access to the front and rear yards....and always received the family's attention full on. Just recently I was given a 6 week old Border Collie pup...a male .....which now lives in our backyard.
The problem is that the female Cavalier is almost catatonic whenever the pup comes near her.....we have tried and tried to get them together to be friends, but nothing works, she acts as tho she is frightened of the pup.
Because of this, the pup gets the backyard, and the Cavalier gets the front yard plus access to the house....but never the two meet.....it's sort of a difficult situation.
Is there anyone who may be able to give me some advice as what to do, to try and get the Cavalier to be friendly with the pup ???

[borzoimom]

Okay= first of all relax. They will become friends, but we need to control the bosterious baby in the pressence of our older little girl here. She doesnt understand he is a baby- she just thinks he is big and boysterious and no adult manners. I would suggest, when the puppy is quieter, holding the puppy, just let her get to know him. Control the situations where he could run at her- he just wants to play, to her it looks like a flying clumsy tank coming at her.
Collies are normally pretty docile but that is as adults. As youngsters they can get pretty wild. I actually like your idea of seperate yards to go out. It gives the puppy time to play and gives her a repreieve from his antics. Use inside the house to not only teach him play is for outside but also for them to become friends. This is going to take time.
Also remember when you scold the puppy, the older dog thinks- " see ever since this thing came in here "everyone gets in trouble". There fore try more distraction to the puppy . Start training clicker training. With the older dog, this should be easy. Tell the cavalier to sit, click and treat ( I use cheerios because they are small, quick and they wont fill up on them). Meanwhile work with the puppy. First click then treat, click then treat, - when the puppy understands that noise means something good, start with sit, click treat. Now you have both of them together- with their focus on you and not each other. Say sit, click and treat ( adult dog gets the treat first but be quick..)..
Getting adult small dogs, and big dog puppies will work with some work on your part. I use to have a Affenpincher, a 8 year old with young shepherd pups. Allow the older dog to correct the puppy " leave me alone" ( she wont hurt him- its mostly display) but use distraction as much as possible.
Remember to feed her first. Also if the puppy has to still get extra meal like lunch, seperate some of her food so she can eat when he does too. It wont take long before she realizes that in her mind she gets " more" with this guy around..

[Love That Collie]

Okay=
Collies are normally pretty docile but that is as adults. As youngsters they can get pretty wild. I actually like your idea of seperate yards to go out. It gives the puppy time to play and gives her a repreieve from his antics. Use inside the house to not only teach him play is for outside but also for them to become friends...

A "Border Collie" is an entirely different breed than a "Collie". Border Collies are high energy and NEED a job to do or they are prone to finding their own jobs which could be not to the liking of an owner of a bored Border Collie.
COLLIES and Border Collies aren't much different than any other breed of dog when they are puppies. Puppies are playful. Puppies are babies waiting to learn. I've had lots of Collies in my life but none were "wild" when they were young puppies. At this time I have a 4 month old pup and she's pretty docile for a puppy but the older male is of great help in also teaching her and he outweighs her by at least 50lbs. or more.

wombat:
It might be of help if you attempt to get them together when the puppy is tired and less wiggly. The pup being only 6 weeks old has virtually no manners if he wasn't taught too well by his littermates and dam. Is the Cavalier normally playful and outgoing? She is afterall a "senior" and has she been around many other dogs in her life? I don't know. If so how did she react? Border Collies as I said above are NORMALLY high energy but are VERY intelligent........VERY. And training him will be your key to not having a lot of frustration with him as he gets older. Border Collies are very active are Cavaliers?

[borzoimom]

opps sorry I didnt see border in that sentence but no reason you cant do the same here as far as training. Borders are more hyper but smaller than a collie pup would be .. This will still be okay- just do as I suggested in training..

[bluebird]

A six week old border collie puppy is living in your back yard???????????

What type of and how much socialization and training is this pup getting?

Bringing in an active puppy can very hard on an older dog who is not used to puppy enthusiasm. As Love That Collie said, they should be introduced in a controlled situation when the puppy is pretty much played out and not being such a livewire.

If the older dog has never been exposed to puppies before now, you're going to have your work cut out for you. If she will not correct the puppy herself, you'll need to do it for her in order to keep her from becoming too stressed out. The longer you keep them seperated the more difficult the task will become!

[*LabLoverKEB*]

Hi All........
Just recently I was given a 6 week old Border Collie pup...a male .....which now lives in our backyard.

I am sorry... but this is just plain CRUEL . let me ask you one question... how would you like to live in someone's backyard?? I do not think you would like that AT ALL. This puppy does not deserve to live with you AT ALL.

[wombat2u2004]

What on earth are you talking about ???
Of course my dog lives in my backyard......where else would he live ???
We have a decent rainfall in this part of the country, so he has lots of muddy puddles to drink out of, not to mention a dead cat I throw him for dinner each night !!!!! (Just kidding) .
The truth is....he has a great kennel, nice and warm and dry, lots of toys, certainly LOTS of attention, three meals a day, and a great big yard to run around in.
I'm sorry Lablover, that I haven't provided him with the latest Madonna style diamond necklace, but believe me.....for my little Border Collie pup...life is good !!!!!! Certainly much better than his siblings and parents, who are cattle dogs on a nearby cattle station...well...all they get is shouted at, a couple of sheets of roof iron to sleep under, the occassional kangaroo leg to feed on....AND...if they are lucky....they might get stomped on by an angry bull.
So don't you worry about my dog...k ???? He's probably better looked after than yours.
Wombat

[wombat2u2004]

Thanks for the advice mate......it all makes heaps of sense.
Here's hoping that it all works.
Wombat

[wombat2u2004]

Trouble is, the Cavalier hasn't really been exposed to other dogs. In the event where she has been, she has always tended to ignore them.
She is a lounge lizard also....never been really that playful...even as a pup.
Maybe thats why she can't really relate to the pups constant playfulness.
Thankyou for your advice, I'm going to try try all of what has been written on this board.
Wombat

[wombat2u2004]

Puppy Training ???? I've only had him a week !!!! I haven't had time to scratch myself let alone look in the bloody phone book for a training school. LOL
But rest assured.....he will be at the local puppy training centre within the next week.
As for socialisation....he has none at the moment, only with myself, and my family. The Cavalier who we HOPED would be his buddy....well....you know the story so far !!!!
I'm going to try the advice of all who have posted here on this thread, everyone has been so great and helpful ( except Labloverkeb ).
Wombat

[borzoimom]

how is it going???