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    Take a look at this!

    I posted on Pets BC looking for older labs. I got this email from a Boxer breeder. She is totally against spaying/neutering and vets in general. Give me your thoughts and if you'd like to email her, PM me for the email address.

    Hello there,

    During the last decade I battled with the CVMA over the official
    guidelines which are not being released to the public. By then I had
    acquired sufficient veterinary knowledge, even though my profession had
    little to do with veterinary medicine, to check every diagnosis reported by
    my dog owners on the boxer breed. The policy of the CVMA was and still is
    that only the dog owner can successfully report a misdiagnosis. However, for
    several years following my complaints, some vets would first ask who the
    breeder of the boxer was before examining the dog. This fact resulted in a
    temporary improvement which soon wore off.

    Regarding pedigrees behind registered dogs, only the dogs in the pedigree
    can give you the information on how to raise and maintain any dog correctly.
    If you are not interested in the make-up of a dog, you are not interested in
    the dog itself, and you will do nothing but neglect the needs of a dog.
    Food, water and exercise, and of course cutting it up to suit the fad of the
    American society by neutering and spaying do nothing for the dog but provide
    it with a poor life. Those dogs are better off dead than be called "family
    members".

    The SPCA, our official dog and puppy mill, imported illegally anti-purebred
    pamphlets from American animal rights organizations and displayed those
    pamphlets on their shelves back in the early 90s. This society gathers
    questionable dogs and sells second hand dogs for outrageous prices, and is
    nothing else but a dog mill business. We do not give a dog to anybody who
    donates to this society or has ever purchased a dog from them. The animal
    rights policy of "Kill and Extinct" applies to registered animals, and has
    been practiced by these groups and organizations for almost 50 years now.
    Even though some of the volunteers may believe that they are doing a good
    deed, the ultimate goal of the SPCA is that of the animal rights
    movement, quote thousands of unwanted dogs and derive a business from
    selling them. Back in the 90s, a volunteer of a Vancouver Island SPCA was
    breeding repeatedly "roadside abandoned puppies" and supplying the SPCA.
    Dog's were and still are being labeled and displayed "on death row" when
    potential buyers visit the premises of the SPCA.

    The latest business ventures are animal rights breeders of registered pet
    dogs. This lucrative business of attracting buyers with "neutering and
    spaying contracts" or "we will not crop the puppies ears" is taking off like
    a storm. As you mentioned correctly, cropping ears is out but the far more
    dangerous operations with considerable damage to the dogs are in. Cropping
    the ears, tail or removing the dew claws are exterior cosmetic surgeries,
    while spaying is an operation damaging the dog for the convenience of
    irresponsible dog owners. Although, I do not remove dew claws, crop the tail
    or ears at this time because I adhere to Continental breed standards, all
    boxer ears bred from American boxers must be cropped because they were bred
    for generations to be cropped and are not suited to be left natural.

    All we know about animal cruelty cases is the fact that they are being used
    to put the animals of honest dog owners and breeders under the ground. This
    has been practiced in Europe for over two decades, and I would not be
    surprised that the BCVMA is doing it to vets. It is nothing else but another
    attack on the few people residing on this continent who know what a dog is,
    and who promote the real dog.

    Regards,
    CAMANO BOXER

    • AMADEUS • AUGUSTUS • SEBASTIAN • THEODORE •

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    Another email...

    I suggest that you familiarize yourself with the official announcements of
    BCVMA and CVMA - if you don't know what this stands for, it's time you find
    out - at the 2001 World Veterinary Congress held in Vancouver Canada. The
    policies were in effect over a decade prior to the congress, but few owners
    of registered animals knew about it.

    Yes, you are correct, every responsible breeder should be aware of the
    tampering with registered animals by irresponsible veterinarians,
    technicians etc. Every responsible breeder must check every diagnosis by a
    vet before accepting treatment or medication. As you know, because the CVMA
    and AVMA adopted animal rights standards, owners of registered animals, not
    just dogs, must protect themselves against the ultimate goal of the animal
    rights movement, that is "Kill and Extinct"! I took nine cases to the
    complaint committee, 9 different vets, all issuing a wrong diagnosis on a
    registered dog. Two dogs were destined to die under the knife of the vet, a
    third was left to die in the hands of the owner, a slow painful death. My
    efforts saved the life of all three dogs which were very healthy in deed
    before the vet got hold of them. Another one was killed by a Vancouver
    island vet with a simple vaccination. This vet made sure she died painful
    and fast before anybody could prove what he had done.

    This is were we stand on this continent with YOUR need of veterinary care!
    You succeeded in killing many valuable animals and you will continue to do
    so. And this is why animal rights activists make a point out of veterinary
    care, to pursue the ultimate goal.

    Please note, the Canadian Federal Government is aware of the guidelines of
    the CVMA, and is aware of what your vets are up to. They are fully aware of
    the ongoing tampering and killing of registered animals by vets.

    Regards,
    CAMANO BOXER

    • AMADEUS • AUGUSTUS • SEBASTIAN • THEODORE •

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    One more...

    Hello Tasha,

    Having read your ad and the statement that you are a vet assistant, I am
    very much disturbed by what you believe is aggression. As you may know we
    have a problem on this continent with veterinarians working under the
    guidelines of the CVMA (BCVMA) and AVMA. We have very few honest and
    responsible veterinarians left who will treat a registered dog correctly,
    estimate no more than a handful in BC.

    If you are looking for a puppy or dog, and you have specific requests with
    regard to the character of your dog, you need to

    1. Choose a breed suitable for your needs.
    2. Look at the 62 dogs in the pedigree behind your desired dog or puppy
    3. Learn about every single dog of the 62 dogs, talk to the owners, even if
    the dogs are long dead. You do not need to talk to the breeders, all you
    need is the pedigree.
    4. Learn about dominance, aggression etc. before your use these terms.

    Only if you know how your dog has been genetically formed, you can satisfy
    your needs. There is no such thing as aggression. There is such a thing as a play drive, although this is not the correct expression, but it is based on a number of things, most important on the owners knowledge on how to play with a puppy or adult dog.

    We have very few real dogs on this continent, and most Canadians who call
    themselves dog lovers have never seen or met a real dog. The extreme
    shortage of real dogs appears to be the reason for the present nurturing
    program, and the selling of what shelters advertise as dogs.

    Regards,
    CAMANO BOXER

    • AMADEUS • AUGUSTUS • SEBASTIAN • THEODORE •

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    Sorry they are so long, but I needed everyone to see this.

    *EDIT*

    I am adding a link to her puppy contract. Wait until you read this!

    • AMADEUS • AUGUSTUS • SEBASTIAN • THEODORE •

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    This lady really needs to have her head checked. Nothing I could say to her would be any help, it would all be ranting.

    Thank you Wolf_Q!

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    Wow. That is wrong on so many levels. I'm not an irresponsible dog owner because I spay my dogs. I'll refrain from saying it's healthier because she does not believe that, but I could not keep them out of my sight during a heat because of irresponsible owners who let their dogs run free. Until she can provide proof that spaying is damaging my dogs and all the unneutered dogs are kept caged 24/7 (which I do not want to happen, btw), I will continue to spay my girls.

    This is just ... uggh!!

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    Thanks everyone. Pretty much all of my emails back to her were just rants. She thinks only registered dogs should exist on this planet. I happen to loved mixed breed dogs, you can get two or more dogs in one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover
    Thanks everyone. Pretty much all of my emails back to her were just rants. She thinks only registered dogs should exist on this planet. I happen to loved mixed breed dogs, you can get two or more dogs in one!
    Yeah, and I hate that she's basically saying that rescuing is worthless. The day all dogs will be registered is the day all mutts (and puppy mill purebreds) are rescued, spayed and neutered, and off the streets. Until that day comes, she can just shove it

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    Quote Originally Posted by .sarah
    Yeah, and I hate that she's basically saying that rescuing is worthless. The day all dogs will be registered is the day all mutts (and puppy mill purebreds) are rescued, spayed and neutered, and off the streets. Until that day comes, she can just shove it
    Well, so far no more emails - but I guess I am happy about that. It just broke my heart that she is a breeder and only recommends getting shots done. Yeah, I have worked with a horrible vet, but there are far more good ones than bad.

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    How stupid can a breeder be? Seriously, rescuing is worthless? What if she was a dog at a rescue? I suppose it wouldn't be worthless then. She really does need her head examined, unless shes agianst human medical care to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy-Cat-Lover
    Thanks everyone. Pretty much all of my emails back to her were just rants. She thinks only registered dogs should exist on this planet. I happen to loved mixed breed dogs, you can get two or more dogs in one!
    Thats seriously what SHE thinks? OMG...
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    And what about THIS bit at the end of her 'puppy contract'?!

    A person approaching you and your dog wants to pet (pat) your dog

    a. I allow it
    b. I pull my dog away
    c. I do not allow it, ask the person to keep a distance and mind their own business
    According to her, the answer is C

    Is this for real?!

    What. An. Idiot.
    Amy & the furkids

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    Yeah I noticed that, too. How can the answer be C?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxyluvsme13
    Yeah I noticed that, too. How can the answer be C?!
    Because she's a moron. lol

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    I like how this is a concern to her
    5. Do you own other animals? Do you have unregistered dogs or mix breed dogs residing on your property? Have you ever owned a second hand dog?


    Somehow I bet if your answer was yes, she would not sell to you.

    I never thought I'd hear someone say rescuing was bad. That is just mind-boggling to me.

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