Say No To Silver Labs

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

HI EVERYONE,

I'D LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT SILVER LAB "BREEDERS" (THEY DON'T EVEN DESERVE TO BE CALLED BREEDERS) ARE UNETHICAL PEOPLE WHO MAKE A LIVING OUT OF LIES. THEY'RE DESTROYING A BEAUTIFUL BREED BY MAKING INLINE BREEDINGS, CAUSING SOME DISEASES TO APPEAR MORE FREQUENTLY.
IF YOU LOVE LABS, TAKE A FEW MINUTES AND HIT THIS LINK...

http://www.geocities.com/silverlabs1/

PAY SPECIALL ATENTION TO THIS ONE

http://www.geocities.com/silverlabs1/pedigrees.html.

PLEASE, HELP US KEEP SAFE THE TYPE AND SOUNDNESS OF THE WORLD'S MOST BEAUTIFUL BREED.

THANK YOU

compare the two breeds...

this is what happens with two well reproduced breeds. you can tell the difference

but when you have two badly reproduced breeds...it's hard to say

now, let alone when they're puppies

this two breeds combined:

the so-called Silverlab!!!!!

[CathyBogart]

Very interesting site, I had never heard of a silver lab before. It reminds me of the stupid "doodle dog" trend, in that they appear to be mixing brees to create something "better", and are only creating more mutts.

(Not that there's anything wring with mutts - but goodness knows we have enough homeless ones already...why make more?)

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

The Thing About The Labradoodles And Other "doodles" Is That The People Who Breed This Freaky Dogs Don't Even Now What A Breed Is Purposed To Do.
They Don't Have An Ethical Goal To Achieve But Making Money From Stupid People.
Very Often This People Know Little About Breeds, Genetics And Ethics.
I Think Mixed Dog's Are Great, But You Shouldn't Have To Pay A 100 Dlls Or More For A Lie.

[Crazy-Cat-Lover]

Thanks for the information. So is this "silver" lab created by crossing a Weimaraner and a Labrador? They dont even look like labs in my opinion. They look like Weimaraner crosses... Whats next? Brindle Labradors?

[cloverfdx]

I have already said no .

[lv4dogs]

Thanks for the information.
I ALWAYS say NO to any breed that has ANY part of his body/parentage/anything that idoes not meet the breed standard of that breed and not in any color that is not reccognized as a showable color.

There are way too many designer breeds, byb's, puppy mills, dogs in shelters etc...
EVERYONE needs to start focusing on what breeds we have as registered breeds (no fancy designer breed registries or the like either) and focus on improving them.

[IRescue452]

Think before you speak people. A lot of breeds come in perfectly sound colour combinations that simply aren't often liked by show breeders. Take for instance the cocker spaniel. There is no link between health problems and white pigmentation but the show breeders don't like them to have more the 85% white. A cocker can be a representative of the standard and have 87% white, but it won't be shown. Likewise, a labrador can come in dilute chocolate "silver" and still fit the standard, but breeders just don't like the colour. Currently its rebellious breeders who either breed for money or don't care about showing labradors that are breeding silvers. There is something wrong with the for-profit breeders, but there is Nothing wrong with the labrador that comes in this colour. Here's further reading...

The AKC Stand on Registration of Silver Labradors:

Response of Jack Norton of the AKC on 1/24/00 giving AKC official position on the issue of Silver Labs.

The registry of the American Kennel Club is based on parentage and not the coat color of a member of any breed.

In 1987 the AKC, in corporation with the Labrador Retriever Club of America, conducted an inquiry into the breeding of litters that contained members that were registered as silver. An AKC representative was sent to observe these dogs. The report and color photographs of these dogs were reviewed by AKC staff and representatives of the Labrador Retriever Club of America. Both Parties were satisfied that there was no reason to doubt that the dogs were purebred Labrador Retrievers, however they felt that the dogs were incorrectly registered as silver. Since the breed standard at the time described chocolate as ranging in shade form sedge to chocolate, it was felt that the dogs could more accurately be described as chocolate rather than silver. This remains the current policy of the American Kennel Club.

Jack Norton
Special Services Dept

* One last note, at one point in time, the yellow labrador was in the same position as silver. They had to push to get the yellow lab accepted.

[IRescue452]

Torner are you a breeder? I'd like to see some of your dogs if you are. I don't like to be a judge of any breeder if I can't see what they have to offer.

[Karen]

Hi, welcome to Pet Talk. Most people around here are against any breeding of dogs just for the sake of breeding , or for "pretty" without concern for health, and are more concerned with rescuing the millions of dogs, mixed and purebreds, that end up in shelters every day.

I will point out, in the case of Labradoodles, these dogs were originally bred for a purpose - to get the non-shedding coats of the poodle with the more suitable personality, and heavier, more stable build of the Lab for guide-dog work for people with dog allergies.

But no dogs should be bred for just "hey, look, I made a new trend!"

There are thousands of perfectly good, deserving-of-homes dogs that get put to sleep every year because of a lack of homes for them, and because of irresponsible people.

[lv4dogs]

Irescue, I understand where you are coming from & I would agree with you totally if this world wasn't so overpopulated with homeless animals.
Seeing as there a lot of homeless animals I personally don't agree with breeding for ANYTHING that is not of breed standard.

Sure you get the occasional one even when you do breed responsibly & correctly, I have no problem with that, but breedeing just for that color or the like, I don't agree with that.

[Suki Wingy]

Irescue, I understand where you are coming from & I would agree with you totally if this world wasn't so overpopulated with homeless animals.
Seeing as there a lot of homeless animals I personally don't agree with breeding for ANYTHING that is not of breed standard.

EXACTLY!! Same thing if a dal breeder gets a lemon dog in their liver breeding they alter it and sell it as a pet. In my mind that is the only way to deal with the not accepted colors

[IRescue452]

But why can't you show the lemon dog? If you ask me its stupid to only accept a few colours. I understand not accepting pigments that are linked to health problems, but there's no link between lemon and blindness or deafness.

[Suki Wingy]

I honestly think it is based strictly on tradition. Conformation is a sport rooted deep in traditions, it is very hard to get them to change. It is better to sell it as a pet/performance/Juniors dog.

[lv4dogs]

But why can't you show the lemon dog? If you ask me its stupid to only accept a few colours. I understand not accepting pigments that are linked to health problems, but there's no link between lemon and blindness or deafness.

Oh I know what you mean. If theres a color with no known heath defects you should be able to show them.
Most of those colors are recognized colors of the breed, just not recognized by the kennel clubs.

[TORNER RETRIEVERS]

Think before you speak people. A lot of breeds come in perfectly sound colour combinations that simply aren't often liked by show breeders. Take for instance the cocker spaniel. There is no link between health problems and white pigmentation but the show breeders don't like them to have more the 85% white. A cocker can be a representative of the standard and have 87% white, but it won't be shown. Likewise, a labrador can come in dilute chocolate "silver" and still fit the standard, but breeders just don't like the colour. Currently its rebellious breeders who either breed for money or don't care about showing labradors that are breeding silvers. There is something wrong with the for-profit breeders, but there is Nothing wrong with the labrador that comes in this colour. Here's further reading...

The AKC Stand on Registration of Silver Labradors:

Response of Jack Norton of the AKC on 1/24/00 giving AKC official position on the issue of Silver Labs.

The registry of the American Kennel Club is based on parentage and not the coat color of a member of any breed.

In 1987 the AKC, in corporation with the Labrador Retriever Club of America, conducted an inquiry into the breeding of litters that contained members that were registered as silver. An AKC representative was sent to observe these dogs. The report and color photographs of these dogs were reviewed by AKC staff and representatives of the Labrador Retriever Club of America. Both Parties were satisfied that there was no reason to doubt that the dogs were purebred Labrador Retrievers, however they felt that the dogs were incorrectly registered as silver. Since the breed standard at the time described chocolate as ranging in shade form sedge to chocolate, it was felt that the dogs could more accurately be described as chocolate rather than silver. This remains the current policy of the American Kennel Club.

Jack Norton
Special Services Dept

* One last note, at one point in time, the yellow labrador was in the same position as silver. They had to push to get the yellow lab accepted.

WHEN I REFERED TO HEALTH ISSUES, I WAS TALKING ABOUT HYP AND ELBOW DISPLASIA AND OCULAR PROBLEMS. WHEN WE MAKE INLINE BREEDINGS, (BROTHER TO SISTER, FATHER TO DAUGHTER) WE REINFORCE SOME HEALTH ISSUES THAT, IF THEY WERE NOT PRESENT IN THAT GENERATION, WOULD BE MORE LIKELY TO APPEAR IN THE NEXT ONE.

ABOUT COLOR....NO ONE HAS EVER DOCUMENTED HAVING A SILVER LAB FROM PUREBRED LABRADORS. THERE HAS BEEN SOME RECORDS ON BLACK AND TANS, AND A FEW "CHOCO CHIPS" LABS (YELLOW BRED TO CHOCOLATE PRODUCES A WEIRD PIGMENTATION).
SOME PEOPLE CLAIM THAT YELLOW "SUDDENLY" APPEARED BETWEEN BLACKS, AND THEN CHOCOLATES CAME UP BETWEEN YELLOWS. THAT'S KINDA FUNNY, CONSIDERING THAT CHOCOLATES WERE DOCUMENTED TEN YEARS BEFORE THE YELLOWS.

ON THE OTHER HAND, THE TESTS THAT THE AKC PEOPLE MADE TO THE PARENTS OF THE SO CALLED SILVER LABS, WE'RE NOT VERY RELIABLE SINCE THERE WE'RE NOT ANY DNA TESTINGS. EVEN NOW, DNA TESTING IS TOO SPECIFIC TO LET US KNOW IF THE PUPPY COMES FROM OTHER BREEDS MIXINGS. (LAB-WEIMARANER)

PLEASE....READ THE WHOLE PAGE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, LET YOUR EYES AND KNOWLEDGE BE THE JUDGES TO THIS SILVERLABS. SOME OF THEM WILL LOOK LIKE A LAB, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IT DOES COME FROM A LAB BRED TO A WEIMARANER. MOST OF THEM LOOK MORE LIKE WEIMARANERS.