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    Unhappy Dog Fights!!!! Help!!!

    Please help. My dogs Tyler and Buster have been fighting over EVERYTHING. Two nights ago, they fought over me! I was petting Fanny then Tyler and Buster came up and start trying to rip each other's brains out. Alex, being the good one he is, came in beetween them and got a huge rip in his side. He's ok though. He just needed me to tell him he was ok so that he would stop howling. It wasn't deep, just long. But while i was tendering Alex, Tyler and Buster kept fighting. We got them apart with Buster's paw broken. And Tyler's nose got bite a little. When Buster came home from the vet, the first thing Tyler and Buster did was end up rolling on the ground snarling and snapping. Please help! If this goes on any longer, one of my dogs is going to end up worse than a broken paw! As for Fanny, she was cowering behind the couch. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    AW! Poor Alex and Fanny and BUSTER! AW! I am so sorry this is happening to you. If they start fighting put them in separate rooms right away or put them in crates. This may seem cruel but it will teach them fighting is wrong. Yell loudly at them if they start agian. GOOD LUCK and I hope I helped!

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    I'm so sorry this is going on! If the fights are this bad though I would contact a professional trainer or bevaiorist RIGHT AWAY!

    You shouldn't be breaking these fights up unless you can do it without any contact (like a loud noise or spraying them with water) because you could end up with something broken! My advice is to keep these dogs seperated until you can get a trainer or behaviorist to give you some advice on the situation. I hope things work out- good luck! Let us know what happens.

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    thanks. i really DO need to get pro. help because i DID separate them and when i turned my back, Buster screamed and when i turned around, he had jumped the fence and Tyler was attacking him. We took Buster to the vet to see if he was alright ( he IS the oldest out of all my dogs) and he fractured he paw WORSE. I think we might have the vet amputate his leg to save him the pain and to save us some of our money. I will call the vet today and keep you updated. Thanx.
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    If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Mark Twain

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    If one appears to be the aggressor, have him taken to the vet to have a full meidical check up and also a thyroid blood panel run, often low thyroid can affect behaviour.

    In multi dog household one thing humans must understand that dogs need to have a pack heiarchy, they cannot all be treated as equals, one will be more dominant than the other and as humans we need to recognize that and support the more alpha dog by paying more attention to that one, feeding him first, giving him the treats or new toys first, allowing him the favourite sleeping spots even if it means making a more submissive dog move from that spot, etc if you favour the more submissive one instead, the alpha one often will attack the submissive one to correct them to teach them there place in the pack and also to show you that they are the alpha dog. The pack order can change with the addition of new dogs or if one becomes sick or old and will be usurped by a younger and stronger dog as the new leader, with some dogs it is not that apparent and others have no desire to be alpha, but when you have one that wants that role it becomes very necessary to support them or constant disputes will break out.

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    thank you ontariograys. that was a lot of help. i do treat them all the same. How do i know which one to make the dominate? Do i choose the oldest or the strongest? The biggest or the smartest? Which? And for everyone to know, THE WEDNESDAY AFTER CHRISTMAS, Buster is getting his leg amped. Thanx everyone for your help!
    Love my dog, I'll love you,
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    Money will buy a pretty good dog but it won't buy the wag of his tail. - Josh Billings

    A dog is the only thing on earth that will love you more than you love yourself. - Josh Billings

    If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Mark Twain

    An animal's eye have the power to speak a great language. - Martin Buber

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. ~Bern Williams

    Dogs are miracles with paws. ~Attributed to Susan Ariel Rainbow Kennedy

    If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then giving Fido only two of them. ~Phil Pastoret

    If dogs could talk, it would take a lot of the fun out of owning one. ~Andy Rooney




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    Is it really necessary for Buster to have his leg amputated? What did your vet say?
    I think it's important that you keep the dogs that are fighting away from each other until you can get some help with your situation- you don't want more injuries. Good luck.

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    i think it is nessisary. the vet said that it will take a long while for it to heal. i don't know. should we cancel? plz help. i really don't know. i'm going from the word of my boyfriend to amputate it. ( he doesn't know what he is tslking about i guess)
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    Money will buy a pretty good dog but it won't buy the wag of his tail. - Josh Billings

    A dog is the only thing on earth that will love you more than you love yourself. - Josh Billings

    If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Mark Twain

    An animal's eye have the power to speak a great language. - Martin Buber

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. ~Bern Williams

    Dogs are miracles with paws. ~Attributed to Susan Ariel Rainbow Kennedy

    If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then giving Fido only two of them. ~Phil Pastoret

    If dogs could talk, it would take a lot of the fun out of owning one. ~Andy Rooney




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    sad for buster

    My advice is go in and have a serious talk with your vet about amputation. I know recovery can take a long time with all the adapting they have to do. You need to weigh the pros and cons of both sides. My bf's my had her dogs back leg amputated, but she is a little thing, and can barely notice that its gone. How big is Buster?

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlidawg
    My advice is go in and have a serious talk with your vet about amputation. I know recovery can take a long time with all the adapting they have to do. You need to weigh the pros and cons of both sides. My bf's my had her dogs back leg amputated, but she is a little thing, and can barely notice that its gone. How big is Buster?
    I couldn't agree more. Amputation is a serious surgery, one that shouldn't be done unless you really have to.
    But something has to be done soon... if you don't get that fracture fixed soon it will start fusing & healing out of place causing an even more complicated surgery & healing process.
    Soar high & free my sweet fur angels. I love you Nanook & Raustyk... forever & ever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sampson-my guardian angel
    thank you ontariograys. that was a lot of help. i do treat them all the same. How do i know which one to make the dominate? Do i choose the oldest or the strongest? The biggest or the smartest? Which? And for everyone to know, THE WEDNESDAY AFTER CHRISTMAS, Buster is getting his leg amped. Thanx everyone for your help!
    This article will help
    with the the dog pack issue
    "Living With Multiple Dogs"
    by Judith Halliburton, from Raising Rover

    Far too often, by the time I'm called in on a "fighting dogs" case, there have been serious injuries, and I have to recommend that the client purchase prong collars�Please Human, if you have more than one dog, read this chapter carefully.

    Memorize! Their relationship has to be established. There is no equality, there is no democracy. There has to be a dominant dog; there has to be a subordinate dog.

    Memorize! There is no such thing as jealousy. There is no such thing as hurt feelings.

    Dogs are pack animals; even though they are domesticated, pack etiquette is part of who they are. Canines in a pack will not injure, maim, or kill each other, because all members are needed for hunting. If one is injured or killed, it weakens the pack. They will not weaken the pack intentionally. I'm sure you have some idea of Rover's power and the strength of his jaw and teeth (even if he's a Chihuahua). If he wanted to injure, maim, or kill, he could.

    Now that that's understood, Human, we can go on. I'm going to dispel the jealousy myth first. Jealousy is a very complicated emotion, with a lot of thought going into it. Dogs don't have the ability for that. What you see in dogs and call jealousy is one of two things: competition (which is the equivalent of sibling rivalry) or straightening out the peck order.

    Let's say, for example, we have Rover One and Rover Two. Rover One is dominant. You're petting Rover Two, and Rover One approaches. His ears are up and forward, his tail is wagging, and his body is animated. That's competition. You can pet both dogs at the same time!

    Straightening out the peck order works like this: You're petting Rover Two, and Rover One approaches. His ears are up and forward and his chest is out. If his tail is wagging at all, it's moving very slowly. There's no liveliness in his body, and there's purpose to his walk. He will attempt to get between you and Rover Two. He's saying that he doesn't want Rover Two that close to you. You'll notice that Rover Two attempts to back away. Let Rover Two go. He knows what he's doing.

    When dogs fight over and over again, it's usually on account of incorrect human interference. For example, when Rover One is straightening out the peck order, the human tendency is to say, "Rover Two, honey, you come back here." To Rover One, you say, "Go on, I was petting Rover Two-first," and you push him away. Rover Two is thinking, "Please, oh please, oh please don't do this! I don't mind, I'll just go over here." Rover Two knows that Rover One will have to punish him later. Don't forget, they can't explain it to you. With your tone of voice, you praised Rover Two and disciplined Rover One. You compromised One's position as the dominant dog, and you did it in front of Rover Two.

    When Rover One and Rover Two actually have a fight, our human tendency is to go immediately to the underdog, the one showing submission. You go to Rover Two and begin to check him for injuries, saying, "Are you all right? Did Rover One hurt you?" All this is said in a soothing, comforting voice. To Rover One, you say, "Rover One, shame on you! You get out of here and leave Rover Two alone! Bad dog! Bad dog!" All this is said in a stern tone. You praised Rover Two in front of Rover One, and disciplined Rover One in front of Rover Two. Again you've seriously compromised Rover One's position as the dominant dog. Both dogs now believe you want Rover Two to be dominant, and they're thinking, "Oh jeez, now we have to fight all over again!" because their relationship has to be reestablished as it applies to you and your position in the peck order. After a short time, you have two dogs that get along beautifully when no one's around and fight as soon as you're with them!

    There's serious danger when this kind of fighting starts: the slightest provocation can start a fight. I call those stimulus fights. For example, the doorbell rings and both dogs run for the door. That can start a fight. They're in the yard, and they both bark at something. That can start a fight. You walk into the room. That can start a fight. Company can start a fight. When stimulus fighting begins, there is no longer any "fight posturing," and absolutely no pack etiquette. With the loss of pack etiquette, and fight posturing, the dogs may fight with the intent to hurt each other. They don't know why they're fighting...

    It's very simple to prevent serious fighting. Simply don't interfere. Now, Human, I know that's not easy to do because when they start fighting, it sounds unbelievably vicious and you think they're killing each other. They are usually not hurting each other. A fight seldom lasts longer than three minutes. It only seems like an hour. Any injuries are usually accidental--a scratch on the face (from a toenail, or tooth) or a nick in the ear. Occasionally, there's a bleeding tongue. If you just can't help it, and you must get involved, do so without saying anything to either dog. If you believe you need to check for injuries, do it silently, and check Rover One-first.

    Do not separate the dogs after a fight. By that I mean, don't put them in separate areas. If you do, you take the chance that they'll fight again as soon as they see each other. Don't attempt to break up a fight alone. You can get seriously bitten and the dogs won't even know they did it. If you honestly believe they're getting hurt, and you have a helper, each of you should grab one dog's tail or hind legs and pull. In my business, I learn constantly. I've just learned that hair spray can stop a fight quickly.

    If you have dogs that are fighting or beginning to fight, you can ward off serious problems by putting a few rules into effect. If you absolutely, positively know that Rover One is dominant, give him preferential treatment. You don't have to make a big deal of it. Put his food down first. Pet him first when you come home or the dogs come in the house or you go out to get them. When you give Rover One preferential treatment, you are letting both dogs know that you respect Rover One as the dominant dog.

    If you're not sure who is dominant, notice which one goes through a door first. Who's in front when they walk across they yard or the room? Don't base your opinion on food. Dogs have food available to them on a daily basis...Dogs can show dominance over food, but don't pin your opinion on that one thing. Pay attention when you see one dog walk across the room and hesitate in front of the other dog. The subordinate dog will turn his head a little and look away. Once he does that, the dominant dog will continue to walk.

    If there's been a lot of fighting, sometimes it's very difficult to tell which dog is dominant, because the subordinate dog is constantly on the defensive. I liken him to a child who has been beaten up and pushed around by the school bully. This child's always on guard, looking over his shoulder and ready to defend himself at any moment. It could be the subordinate dog who's starting the fights. If one of your dogs is that defensive, you'll have to watch for subtle signs of who's dominant. Watch them closely and objectively. Objectivity is sometimes hard to achieve. You may have a favorite dog, and you want that one to be dominant Or one dog is of a breed you think should be dominant, and you refuse to believe that he's not.

    Whatever your circumstances are, you can't deny the dominant dog. You must respect the dogs' relationship. You can't decide which one is going to be dominant.

    If you have dogs that are fighting no matter what you do, take them to your veterinarian. It's possible the dog that doesn't seem to want to give up has a weakness of some kind; this could make him over defend himself. I had one case where the dogs had reached the point of intentionally injuring one another. It turned out one of them had serious hip dysphasia. In another similar case, one dog had a serious uterine infection.

    There is one situation where I recommend interference. If you have an elderly dog with geriatric problems like cataracts or arthritis, or one that is weakened for some reason, put yourself in the Head Honcho position and protect that dog. Under most circumstances, the stronger dog will leave the weaker dog alone as long as it's understood that he's dominant. But every now and then I run into a dog that is a bully or has poor social skills.

    Also there are dogs that will fight any other dog at any time for no apparent reason. These dogs are few and far between, and usually do fine if they remain in a home with no other dogs...

    I hope that after reading this, you have a better understanding of the dynamics of the pack order and how important it is in your dogs' lives.
    It is also very important that the dogs view you as a strong leader of the pack and the following article will help as well

    http://www.westieclubamerica.com/behavior/alpha.html

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    I would just make sure that it is absolutely necessary before going ahead with such an operation.
    Also, just a suggestion, but I would post this thread on the Dog General so you get more replies. Someone else may have some good advice.

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    we (my dogs and i) just went to see a pro. she helped ALOT. They have been learning and are not completly over it yet. We did decide to leave his leg. When we got back(yesterday) i took Buster to the vet and had a 2 hr talk with the vet. we got an x-ray of buster's leg (again) and he will need a few more weeks of vet vist's. then we will be on our own with the cast or whatever if they call it something else for a dog. anyways, thanx a lot everyone for the advice. Alex's side is better and Tyler's nose has healed over. We are all good exept for Buster's leg. THANX SO MUCH EVERYONE!!!!!
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    Money will buy a pretty good dog but it won't buy the wag of his tail. - Josh Billings

    A dog is the only thing on earth that will love you more than you love yourself. - Josh Billings

    If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man. - Mark Twain

    An animal's eye have the power to speak a great language. - Martin Buber

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. ~Bern Williams

    Dogs are miracles with paws. ~Attributed to Susan Ariel Rainbow Kennedy

    If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your pocket and then giving Fido only two of them. ~Phil Pastoret

    If dogs could talk, it would take a lot of the fun out of owning one. ~Andy Rooney




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    I am glad you did not amputate, does not sound like too severe a break since it was splinted, with severe fractures often it is a surgical procedure where the bones are pinned to piece and hold them together, in some cases bone must be taken(grafted) from another part of the body to fill in missing areas where the damage is too severe.


    My greyhound was a former Grade A racer but during his last race he fractured his hock, his trainer and racing owner kept him and looked after his injuries themselves, they injury took place in early August it was late October before he was recovered enough and walking on all four legs as required to be place in the track adoption kennel. In November he was transported to an adoption kennel here is Canada and on January 4, I found him and adopted him. He was still having pain in the leg I started him on 800 mg of glucosamine, 400mg of chondroitin and 300mg MSM which he stayed on for a year and half, I took him off a couple of times earlier but he was still showing signs of pain so kept him on till he was pain free.

    You can see from the picture that his hock did not set completely straight


    but that does not stop him from chasing squirrels/rabbits in the yard or playing


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    I'm glad that things are going better for everyone! I hope Buster heals fast, and feels better soon!

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