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    For Invaders, Cute Doesn't Count

    This made me sick!!!

    Wild parakeets are being put to death in Florida and at least one environmental expert thinks Connecticut should consider doing the same.

    Over the past two years, Florida Power and Light has used carbon dioxide to euthanize monk parakeets nesting on the utility's infrastructure.

    And, while some in Connecticut think the brightly colored birds and their communal nests on utility poles along the shoreline are cute, others think the pesky invaders cause more trouble than they are worth.

    Connecticut should seriously consider eradication if the parakeets are deemed nuisances, said Elizabeth Zimmerman, an environmental manager with a master's degree from Yale University. She is a former employee of the state Department of Environmental Protection and currently works in the private sector.

    Zimmerman thinks the estimated 1,000-plus feral parakeets in Connecticut menace the state's fragile ecosystem and compromise safety. The U.S. Department of Agriculture considers the birds an "invasive species, non-native."

    Zimmerman, of Woodstock, views coating parakeet eggs with vegetable oil, euthanizing them by carbon dioxide or breaking the birds' necks all humane means of reducing the flock.

    She scoffs at animal rights activists who applaud the colorful South American parakeets as cute escapees who have adapted to harsh New England winters.

    Massive feral parakeet nests built on warm electrical transformers ignite fires and increase the odds that falling equipment will seriously injure a human, Zimmerman said.

    United Illuminating reports it has dismantled between five and 10 nests over the past four years. The company attributes six power outages in 2004 to monks.

    "Does someone have to die before [the state and federal governments] take action?" Zimmerman asked. "The nuisance factor is not adequate. If someone is complaining of bird poop, it's not an adequate basis to eradicate a species."

    Zimmerman is especially concerned because the hardy and raucous parakeets are migrating inland to New Britain and other locales after decades of living along the shoreline.

    Native to such warm-weather climates as Uruguay, Argentina and Brazil, the raucous green, gray and yellow parakeets usually grow to about 12 inches in length.

    "They are showing they are capable of expanding their range," Zimmerman said. "[Euthanasia] is an option that should be considered."

    Zimmerman urged both the state Department of Environmental Protection and federal government to closely study the parakeets' effect on Connecticut's ecosystem and safety.

    The parakeets' impact on Connecticut crops has not been determined, but in South America the birds are considered pests that damage corn, sunflowers and other crops.

    "The longer you wait, the harder it is to control - and the bigger damage gets done," Zimmerman warned.

    Consider Florida Power and Light, which services three-quarters of Florida.

    The utility began killing the parakeets after spending about $500,000 investigating non-lethal methods to control them, reports Jim Lindsay, the utility's biologist in charge of the parakeet problem.

    Noise, lights, decoys and water bursts all failed to deter the birds, Lindsay said, noting that lasers were effective but are too costly and labor intensive.

    "We have an aggressive trap and nest-removal program. ...They are on transmission lines and structures. They are in our substations. They are in our distribution structures," Lindsay said.

    He said recent research estimates Florida's population of about 35,000 monks doubles every seven years. He declined to say how many monk parakeets the utility workers have killed.

    "This is a sensitive issue for us," he said. "We recognize the emotions attached to it."

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    Zimmerman said she realizes wiping out the monk parakeet population could be a tough sell in Connecticut.

    "It's going to be particularly difficult because it is an attractive bird and it looks like a pet, like Bambi," she said. "You can't be emotional when you make these decisions. You have to be objective and do what is right."

    Milan Bull, a senior director at the Fairfield-based Connecticut Audubon Society, said feral parakeets are not causing sufficient problems to warrant extermination.

    "I don't think that is necessary here," Bull said. "They are not an agriculture nuisance in Connecticut as of yet. So far, we haven't noticed them competing with native songbirds for nest sites."

    Bull consults with United Illuminating on how to deal with problem nests. He recommends regularly removing unsafe nests from transformers during non-nesting periods. He is not troubled that the displaced birds will construct several more nests nearby.

    Zimmerman is at war with non-native species that "mess with the ecosystem" on her Woodstock homestead. House sparrows, introduced by the English in the 1800s, are especially unwelcome.

    She methodically traps and euthanizes the sparrows, a species that she says endangers her beloved native bluebirds.

    Zimmerman has scattered numerous feeders around her rural property and neighborhood to help replenish the native bluebird population in Connecticut. She is especially proud and protective of five baby birds nesting nearby.

    She has killed 25 sparrows this year, more than a hundred last year.

    "They don't belong in this ecosystem," she said.

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    Excuse me??? THEY don't belong in this ecosystem??? These birds were here LONG before there was an ecosystem!!! Why didn't the utility companies figure out how to build "bird resistant" transformers before this became such a big problem???

    UGH!!!

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    As was stated in the article, Parakeets are not native to the US, they are native to South America.

    We routinely have problems with non native species being introduced where they don't belong. Zebra mussels, various species of fish, plants, frogs, and efforts are underway all the time to eradicate the non native species as they really do upset the ecosystem.

    I'm going to edit this, I think I came off a bit harsh when I first replied.

    If the number of feral parakeets is in a manageable range, perhaps the could capture them and send them back to an ecosystem that would be more applicable to them. Otherwise, they may have only two choices. Either let the birds continue to live as they are, or eliminate them through various methods.

    Modifying the transformers to be "bird proof" would be tough and probably expensive, given the voltage range the transformers are operating in. Transformers are very carefully designed and built for their applications, and modifying them would take time.
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    I guess I'm overreacting a little. But when I read how these birds are being killed and HOW they are being killed, I got a little upset.

    Rest In Peace Casey (Bubba Dude) Your paw print will remain on my heart forever. 12/02
    Mollie Rose, you were there for me through good times and in bad, from the beginning.Your passing will leave a hole in my heart.We will be together "One Fine Day". 1994-2009
    MooShoo,you left me too soon.I wasn't ready.Know that you were my soulmate and have left me broken hearted.I loved you like no other. 1999 - 2010See you again "ONE FINE DAY"
    Maya Linn, my heart is broken. The day your beautiful blue eyes went blind was the worst day of my life.I only wish I could've done something.I'll miss your "premium" purr and our little "conversations". 1997-2013 See you again "ONE FINE DAY"

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    Invasive species are a HUGE problem in many parts of the world.

    On the micro level, I feel sad for these birds and hate to see them killed.

    However, on the macro level, invasive species DO need to be curtailed. Humans almost ALWAYS cause unforeseen and unmanageable problems when they introduce non-native species into an environment, whether intentionally or not.

    Perhaps a humane organization will step in and find a more humane means of removing to birds. Nets? Traps?
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    Poor little birdies. Why can't they find some other way??? UGH! Pigeons in our area are SO annoying. That doesn't mean you KILL them!

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    We have the same issues with seagulls living in a coastal town but there has to be another way - destruction because they want to live their lives? No way!
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    Originally posted by popcornbird
    Pigeons in our area are SO annoying.
    Are they native to your area, though? Sorry, I don't even know where you are!
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    Monk parakeets are very good escape artists that started out as pets and now have a thriving and harmful population set up as far north as New York.

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    I certainly understand the problem, but I simply cannot agree with the mass extermination methods . I know it's a purely emotional stance to take but in some things I just can't help but let my emotions influence my opinions when it comes to something like this.

    As far as pigeons, I always thought they were not native to North America but were brought over by people, originally domesticated for carrying messages and pets etc. I could be wrong though, I've not done any true research on that.
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    Originally posted by finn's mom
    Are they native to your area, though? Sorry, I don't even know where you are!
    I would think so....pigeons are everywhere! I have yet to see a place with no pigeons........but there are a LOT in my area, and they poop on everything. I would never support killing animals like that. It is wrong. What crime are they being killed for? Native or not, they are just trying to live their lives. Not all people are native to the lands they live in.

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    What bothers me the most is that people introduced these birds into the environment and now since they are becoming an issue, they are quick to exterminate them. Something has to be said on the birds behalf, because dispite nature, they have thrived.

    I am in agreement that if they are causing signifigant problems (IE damage to electrical equipment, crops etc) then a humane way should be explored first. A mass extermination isn't the answer because one, obviously it is cruel and two, historically, planned (I say planned because humans have succeded in making a species extinct several times already quite by accident) mass exterminations haven't worked. Look at what happened with rat control long long ago. The more people tried to exterminate them, the more they thrived. I'm also convinced that trying to exterminate a species in a non native environment is a lot harder than causing a species to go extinct in its native habitat. I think that they have more of a survival instinct bread into them because they have to adapt and thrive in a place that is totally foregn.

    I think a quote from Jurassic Park sums up my point

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    I was curious to see if I was mistaken or not on the pigeon thing and was pleasantly surprised to see that I did indeed remember correctly (which is certainly not always the case). The common pigeon (rock doves) are not indigenous to North America.

    The domestic pigeon or rock dove was first introduced from Europe by French settlers in the early 1600's (Schorger 1952). Now they are one of the most noticeable birds in American cities and farming communities. Countless thousands are still reared annually by pigeon fanciers who use them for homing and racing competitions, and each year the feral population is supplemented by captive-reared individuals that fail to return home. Rock dove populations were ignored by scientists and bird watchers before the Breeding Bird Survey began in 1966 and were not reported on Christmas Bird Counts until 1974. The population appears to have stabilized following a sharp increase in the 1960's and 1970's
    Taken from here: http://biology.usgs.gov/s+t/noframe/x177.htm

    It's an interesting article, goes into detail about many non-native species of birds that are all over now including the house finch which I did not realize was not native here. Pigeons are everywhere because they were domesticated.
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    What they're talking about are quaker parrots...I love them but they're illegal in California for this very reason.

    My take on it is...the humans aren't native either.

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    Originally posted by popcornbird
    Native or not, they are just trying to live their lives. Not all people are native to the lands they live in.
    I don't think it's comparable, but, that's just my opinion. We're talking about species that can cause major problems if they're introduced to a place that isn't their native habitat. I think it does suck that humans are who started the problem in the first place. I'm not saying I agree with breaking their necks or anything, but, I can see how it might be something that needs to be taken care of in a humane way.
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    People make me sick! Did you see that last part about the sparrows she's killed because she likes bluejays??

    Can someone explain how tiny sparrows can hurt larger birds like bluejays?

    I'll never understand anyone's ability to kill something so innocent.
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