You Can Tell It's Election Year When....

[heinz57_79]

Debates start popping up all over the place. hehe Personally, I think they're good and healthy and in a lot of cases they help put some of the issues into a form that is more understandable than the political mumbo jumbo found in speeches etc. This is going to be fairly long, but i wanted to get my 2 cents in and it didn't really fit into any other thread.

Now, my dad (bless he heart *sigh*) got me a year's subscription to Reader's Digest. Mind you, I have no idea which way the magazine leans, whether liberal or conservative. I'm guessing more conservative. But in August's issue there are 2 interesting articles. One on Bush, one on Kerry. And they managed to stick with interviews and facts, without throwing in a lot of useless opinion. I thought I'd post a few things that stood out for me.

A Bush Quote:
"Freedom is not America's gift to the world. Freedom is the Almighty's gift to every man and woman in this world."

Ok, now besides being a very poorly worded sentence, it is also horrendously hypocritical coming from a man who is against gay marriage, abortion and affirmative action. Who's freedom is he speaking of? Not Americans' for he has just taken away the freedom of several large and significant groups.

From Dick Cheney who... "lambasted Kerry for voting against the first Gulf War in 1991, against an $87 billion propriation to help fund the US war effort in Iraq, and against weapons systems such as the MX missile and the B-1 bomber."

Cheney: "The Senator... has given us ample doubts on his judgement on vital issues of national security."

Why? Because he doesn't like us throwing ourselves into pointless wars? Because he doesn't like weapons of mass destruction? Because he can't see the point on taking $87 billion for war when it could be put to better use? I'd be more afraid of a trigger happy president than one who may be more inclined to resolve conflict by other means BEFORE resorting to bombing the hell out of a country that can barely defend itself.

Kerry has been in the Senate for 20 years, fought for his country and voted for 16 out of 19 defense appropriation bills.

Yes, Kerry fought in Vietnam, then came home, threw his ribbons away and protested the war. It was his right to! Those on the front lines were more able than anyone to see what a pointless war it was. "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

Kerry's plans for expanding health insurance to 95% of Americans is a great call. How will he do this, you ask? He will be able to pay for it by rescinding the Bush tax cuts for those making over $200,000. They need tax cuts WHY??? It's the ones that live below the poverty level (most of the country!) that need the tax breaks. Not those whose net worth is more than I will ever see in a lifetime.

Kerry also has plans to help the evironment, and at the same time take independence from Middle East oil. It will take alternative and renewable fuels, and faster adoption of new technologies of hybrid cars, but with a motivated man in office, I think it can be done.

And, in my opinion, I think the best person to handle international affairs is someone who has lived overseas, been exposed to other cultures. Kerry has been all over the world, was brought up in Germany, and speaks at least one foreign language. Bush can barely speak English!

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by heinz57_79
Kerry has been all over the world, was brought up in Germany, and speaks at least one foreign language.

You are correct.

Kerry did go to Paris and tried to negotiate peace with the Viet Cong.

Against the wishes and the laws of the United States.

Kerry's office wall also has the same awards he tossed over the wall.

One of Kerry's purple hearts came when he shot off an M-79 and almost killed himself..

"Seeing movement from an unknown source, the sailors opened fire on the movement," the letter says. "There was no hostile fire. When Kerry's rifle jammed, he picked up an M-79 grenade launcher and fired a grenade at a nearby object. This sprayed the boat with shrapnel from Kerry's own grenade, a tiny piece of which embedded in Kerry's arm."


Yikes!!!!!

Who's worse? The man that played soldier or the man who almost killed himslef playing soldier???

[lizbud]

You can tell it's an election year when.......... This is allowed
to happen without a word from George W. Bush.

Commemtary:

By Dianne Feinstein, Dianne Feinstein, a Democratic U.S. senator from California, is the chief sponsor of the renewal of the assault weapons ban. This article is adapted from comments made Tuesday on the Senate floor.


Ten years ago, Congress passed the assault weapons ban, one of the most important public safety measures this country has seen. Although it was not perfect, it represented the best we could do to stem the growth and spread of these weapons throughout our cities and states. But that legislation is going to expire Monday, despite the fact that we have 52 votes for its reauthorization (if it were allowed to come to the Senate floor) and the fact that nearly three-fourths of the American public supports the ban, as do two-thirds of gun owners and every major law enforcement organization in the country.

The National Rifle Assn. will say: The bill is cosmetic. It hasn't done anything. It has been ineffective.

Then why has the NRA made this legislation and its demise its No. 1 priority? The fact is the NRA is wrong. The percentage of banned assault weapons used in crimes is down by nearly two-thirds since 1994.

Presidents Clinton, Carter, Ford and Reagan, and even George W. Bush, have all expressed support for renewing the ban. But three days from today, none of this support will matter. The assault weapons ban will be history, one more victim of the powerful, selfish NRA and its brutal lobbying tactics. Because the president has steadfastly refused to put his money where his mouth is and help us renew the ban, it is going to expire without so much as even a vote in the House.

We have cried out in vain. There has been no response from the White House. Instead, the president quietly awaits Sept. 13 and hopes that after he lets the ban expire, he can again receive the endorsement of the NRA, because the NRA is not going to make its endorsement until the ban expires. This is truly a dark day.

The assault weapons legislation has worked. No legal owner has been denied a weapon. No weapon has been confiscated. Yet the supply of these weapons on the streets has declined. But come next week, companies will once again begin to churn out large-capacity ammunition devices and powerful, easily concealed military weapons, all for civilian use.

One advertisement now running in gun magazines is from a company called ArmaLite. In the ad, ArmaLite is offering a coupon for a free flash suppressor for anyone who buys one of their guns. A flash suppressor is used to prevent the flash of the gun when it is fired. So if you are using it, no one can see where you are, particularly at night, by the flash of the weapon.

The advertisement says: "And by the way … ArmaLite's rifles are made to be easily retrofitted with your flash suppressor and your other pre-ban features so you don't have to wait if you're choosing an ArmaLite."

That is what we are up against: flash suppressors for votes. It makes me sick to my stomach.

The ad states: "It is not legal to install this on a post-ban rifle until the assault weapons ban sunsets."

A recent study by the Consumer Federation of America found that companies are also gearing up to manufacture large-capacity ammunition clips.

One manufacturer told a caller from the Consumer Federation that there is a pent-up demand for 50-round magazines and larger.

Who needs a 50-round magazine? Hunting laws in every state restrict the number of bullets in a magazine to fewer than 10.

It is clear that time has run out. It is clear the president of the United States will not help, and this is truly a sad day for this nation.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by lizbud
You can tell it's an election year when.......... This is allowed
to happen without a word from George W. Bush.

Commemtary:

By Dianne Feinstein, Dianne Feinstein, a Democratic U.S. senator from California, is the chief sponsor of the renewal of the assault weapons ban. This article is adapted from comments made Tuesday on the Senate floor.
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A recent study by the Consumer Federation of America found that companies are also gearing up to manufacture large-capacity ammunition clips.

One manufacturer told a caller from the Consumer Federation that there is a pent-up demand for 50-round magazines and larger.

Who needs a 50-round magazine? Hunting laws in every state restrict the number of bullets in a magazine to fewer than 10.

Ms feinstein carries a concealed weapon, wears a BP vest and
is against 'regular' people being issued CWPs.

Soldiers in Iraq have been asking Beretta, the makers of the m-92 pistol to make a magazine that will carry more rounds-They cannot - because of the AW ban........making large capacity magazines is not economical because those magazine cannot be sold to the public.


I do believe in gun control........Use both hands.

[lizbud]

Originally posted by RICHARD
Ms feinstein carries a concealed weapon, wears a BP vest and
is against 'regular' people being issued CWPs.

So what ??


As for

" Soldiers in Iraq have been asking Beretta, the makers of the m-92 pistol to make a magazine that will carry more rounds-They cannot - because of the AW ban........making large capacity magazines is not economical because those magazine cannot be sold to the public. "

This is BS, Prime BS. There are plenty of weapons made for the
military ,yet not sold to the public.

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by lizbud
So what ??


As for

" Soldiers in Iraq have been asking Beretta, the makers of the m-92 pistol to make a magazine that will carry more rounds-They cannot - because of the AW ban........making large capacity magazines is not economical because those magazine cannot be sold to the public. "

This is BS, Prime BS. There are plenty of weapons made for the
military ,yet not sold to the public.

LOLOLOLOL,

there are civilian variants of the M-16, CAR-15 that are sold to/in the cilivilan market and they are single shot models, they do not have a full auto mode. They are the SAME models carried by the soldiers in Iraq.

You could, in the past, buy a kit to modify an AW to make them full auto.

You can buy a .50 caliber rifle, a Barrett model 468, that the military uses.....go to the web site.

I wasn't taking about the guns, I was talking about the magazines....

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

And it is not easy for those bullets to pull the trigger!

I can't believe you would trot out that old chesnut. That's like saying "people don't cause car accidents, the engines do!"

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by Edwina's Secretary
And it is not easy for those bullets to pull the trigger!

I can't believe you would trot out that old chesnut. That's like saying "people don't cause car accidents, the engines do!"

Chumming with ridiculous statements always gets me a bite....
Without an engine you can't get into an accident, even I know that...

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7 Apr 04

Can you believe this? We are defeating ourselves. From friend, Jeff Chudwin:

"A police officer and friend, just deployed to Iraq, is serving there now as a Marine officer. He is the thick of the fighting. He has only two Beretta M-9 magazines, and both (Checkmate) have weak springs. Pistol magazines are in short supply there. Ones that actually work are in even shorter supply!

His close friend in an adjacent police department was contacted and asked to assist my friend by acquiring several OEM (Beretta) pistol magazines and sending them over. The magazines were immediately ordered from a local police supply house, but we were told that we cannot make the purchase due to the ban on purchasing high capacity (normal capacity) magazines. BATF is asked to intervene. They arrogantly told us 'The military must take care of their own.' The chief of the department cannot even sign for the magazines, because the purchase is not for performance of law enforcement duties.'

Result, the Marine officer cannot obtain additional magazines through the military, and we cannot support him from our end unless we send him Clinton clips' (ten-round magazines) or locate pre-ban magazines. We are sending Wolff spring kits."

Comment: Stupid gun laws, designed from the beginning for harassment and little else, are now interfering with our war effort, and no one at BATF, in deed the whole federal system, seems to care. While our Marines die, bureaucrats and politicians dither!

/John
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[catland]

As an owner (well actually my husband is) of an AR-15 assault rifle and other fine weaponry and a member of my local gun club and the NRA, I'd like to say the following.

First, the law that didn't allow clips of more than 10 rounds was a joke. It only prevented the manufacture of larger clips after a certain deadline so the manufacturers cranked out millions of these clips before the manufacturing ban took place. The purchase of said clips was never outlawed. I have pre-ban clips in my home that have been purchased in just the past few years.

Second - the best way to insure that a military does not take over a government is to allow the people to bear arms. This is any military, anywhere.

Funny how this ban was set to expire just a couple of months before a presidential election.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Pup shoots man, saves litter mates....

guess this should be change to...Bullet shoots man, saves pups..

[DJFyrewolf36]

Originally posted by catland
As an owner (well actually my husband is) of an AR-15 assault rifle and other fine weaponry and a member of my local gun club and the NRA, I'd like to say the following.

First, the law that didn't allow clips of more than 10 rounds was a joke. It only prevented the manufacture of larger clips after a certain deadline so the manufacturers cranked out millions of these clips before the manufacturing ban took place. The purchase of said clips was never outlawed. I have pre-ban clips in my home that have been purchased in just the past few years.

Second - the best way to insure that a military does not take over a government is to allow the people to bear arms. This is any military, anywhere.

Funny how this ban was set to expire just a couple of months before a presidential election.

Yes, funny that. Never thought about that until now, thanks for bringing that up! And as an NRA member, I agree with you. Really the ban didn't deter people from crimes.

[Logan]

You Can Tell It's Election Year When.......

Pet Talkers argue about politics instead of animals and are solidly divided between parties, never to even regard the opinion of others (this seems to be equal on both sides in my opinion).

[RICHARD]

Originally posted by catland


First, the law that didn't allow clips of more than 10 rounds was a joke. It only prevented the manufacture of larger clips after a certain deadline so the manufacturers cranked out millions of these clips before the manufacturing ban took place. The purchase of said clips was never outlawed. I have pre-ban clips in my home that have been purchased in just the past few years.

You are correct....

But the military buys in bulk and through contracts in order to keep the troops supplied...

I don't think e-bay ships to Iraq..

[Aspen and Misty]

Originally posted by Logan
You Can Tell It's Election Year When.......

Pet Talkers argue about politics instead of animals and are solidly divided between parties, never to even regard the opinion of others (this seems to be equal on both sides in my opinion).

Agreed

Ashley

[Kfamr]

You can tell it's election year when....


There's nothing good to watch on TV. =\



P.S. I'm 100% for Kerry, although It doesn't matter because i'm unable to vote.