Ugh... WTF????

[micki76]

Bush calls for an amendment to the constitution for same sex marriage ban.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...age/index.html

[dukedogsmom]

Interesting. Another touchy subject. I don't personally agree with same sex marriages but does that mean we should forbid everyone to do it just because it doesn't set right with us?

[slick]

I'm in total agreement with same-sex marriages. I believe the love two men (or two women) share can be just as deep and loving as a heterosexual couple. Why not let them share the bond of marriage??

[2kitties]

I am not offended by homosexuality in the least. I do not believe it is the right of the government to enforce its morals on the populace. I think if two people want to marry legally, they should be able to marry legally.

Homosexual couples are not looking for religious acceptance here. They are looking for legal acceptance and the right to have an heir. This is America where there is a separation of Church and State, right? Two human beings, pledging their lives to one another. End of story. As it stands, two men can love one another and share their entires lives, yet when one is on life support, they are unable to make decisions for their partner. When one dies, the other is not entitled to the social security. It just isn't the government's business to morally judge this way. If a church doesn't want to marry gays- then fine. They don't have to. But a judge should. The law should be colorblind, genderblind and without homophobia. Some might say we treat murderers and child molesters with more respect than two homosexuals.

I think commitment and longevity of marriage can't be any worse with gays than with straight people. Lord know's we've made a big enough mess of marriage and child rearing. For straights to say their better at it is rediculous.

Whew, sorry to rant. This is huge for me. Thanks for bringing it up. This has been bugging me since it got in the news.

AND I'm a republican!

[ramanth]

Originally posted by 2kitties
I am not offended by homosexuality in the least. I do not believe it is the right of the government to enforce its morals on the populace. I think if two people want to marry legally, they should be able to marry legally.

Ditto!

[catland]

I think its nothing but an election-year ploy by Bush. I also think its a mis-use of the constitition.

[catnapper]

Why does everybody keep playing this old subject? Who cares? What goes on behind closed doors is THEIR business, not ours. I happen to love my husband and would fight tooth and nail if somebody told me our love was wrong... why do people think that same-sex relationships would work any differently? Who has the right to say what makes someone else happy?

I do not find this a moral issue in the least. It is merely an issue of two people being happy together. People get enraged when the issue of <ahem> relations enter the debate. I'm sure the most prim and proper person has something they condemn in public but enjoy behind closed doors. We are human, we are far from perfect. If you are going to quote the Bible as form of rebuttal or proof of its wrong-ness, then "let he has not sinned cast the first stone."

[Logan]

I tried, twice, to comment, and I failed, both times. I just try to be open minded about this subject.

Today, one of my favorite people on another site showed pictures of her wedding dress, and also the wedding dress of her partner. That was a test for me, as I didn't know that she was involved in a homosexual relationship, nor that she was planning a wedding.

Maybe I'm old fashioned. Maybe George Bush is too, but at least he knows where he stands, which I have yet to grasp for myself. I want to be accepting, but I don't understand it all yet.

[micki76]

Originally posted by catnapper
Why does everybody keep playing this old subject? Who cares? What goes on behind closed doors is THEIR business, not ours. I happen to love my husband and would fight tooth and nail if somebody told me our love was wrong... why do people think that same-sex relationships would work any differently? Who has the right to say what makes someone else happy?

I'll tell you what my fanatically Christian in-laws say. They say it's a sin. But then I point out that so is adultery, drinking (to them), so is envy, cussing in their book will send you straight to hell. LMAO. ( They just love me BTW ) None of which require a constitutional amendment. I am a Christian, too. Just a different (read: more tolerant, as Jesus wants us to be) Christian than they are.

I personally think that if two consenting adults can find love, then more power to them! Who the hell cares if they're the same sex, different sexes or two hermaphrodites? Jeez!!

[wolfie]

That's so stupid! Who cares if the couple is homosexual or heterosexual?

posted by 2kitties:
"The law should be colorblind, genderblind and without homophobia."

I agree.

[cubby31682]

I have to agree with almost everyone else here. If they want to get married let them. I think, (which this might be over the top) if two people want to get married let them or don't let anyone at all. We are in the USA the land of the free. The person you love and want to marry shouldn't be questioned by are government. If a gay man or women wants to get a job and they can't because they are gay that is against the law. Getting married should be the same way. I know at least 2 gay people and they are one of the nicest and funniest people that I have ever met. Just because they are gay doesn't make them less of a person than we are. JMO

Katie

[catnapper]

Originally posted by Logan
I tried, twice, to comment, and I failed, both times. I just try to be open minded about this subject. I want to be accepting, but I don't understand it all yet.

I understand. I grew up in a very close-minded family. I don't know where I came from, as my family is biggoted and opinionated.

When I entered college, it was quite a culture shock. I had never met a gay person, let alone became friends with them. I am an interior designer, so I got used to working with gay men real fast - stereo-typical, I know, but true. I worked for the world's best boss. He happened to be gay. I loved him and his "husband" I told them that if they ever broke up, that I was more than willing to take the the ex (oooh, he was as sweet as he was good looking!)

I lived with my parents and when it was time to move out and move on, a gay coworker and I wanted to get an appartment together... when I saw that he wanted the two largest rooms (one for him, the other for his clothes) I declined He was my best friend for a while and introduced me to the gay culture - I was what they call the "fag-hag" sounds funny, but it was said affectionately. At that time in my life, I needed to have relationships with men that were "safe" as I was hurt very badly in love. I could flirt and laugh and not worry about being attacked at the end of the night.

What I learned was that they are human just like us with all the same wants, needs, desires. Its just that what fulfills their desires is different from ours. They never judged me for being attracted to men... imagine the world being reversed and that "gay was the way" and imagine how you'd feel if the gay world condemned you for being straight.

This issue is very near and dear to my heart because it was my experiences with my gay friends and coworkers that taught me the most about myself and life.

[micki76]

Originally posted by catnapper
I was what they call the "fag-hag" sounds funny, but it was said affectionately. At that time in my life, I needed to have relationships with men that were "safe" as I was hurt very badly in love. I could flirt and laugh and not worry about being attacked at the end of the night.

This issue is very near and dear to my heart because it was my experiences with my gay friends and coworkers that taught me the most about myself and life.

LOL, I am the ultimate Fag Hag! Please people don’t get mad, this is what my gay friends call straight women who hang out with gay men. I just adore my gay friends.

I agree that having gay friends has made me a more sensitive and open minded person. Just to be a small part of the lives of nice people, whether gay or straight is a privilege. needless to say, the in-laws hyperventilate if I mention my gay friends around my sister in laws kids. That's so sad to me. They freak if I even mention Will & Grace or Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Their kind of intolerant 'Christianity' makes me sick.

So Logan, I think it's wonderful that you're trying becoming more open to things like this, things that you don't understand or that are outside of your comfort zone.

[kevinrats]

Ahh yes. Another Christian hating thread. How original.

First off, don't give me this. Did you know that Muslims, Hindus and all other religions also condemn gay marriage? Did you also know that no culture or religion in the history of the world has condoned gay marriage? Hmmm...could there be a reason for that? But, wait, let's just blame all christians okay? It's easier that way. And it's very original.

Bush is not changing the constitution. The constitution has always defined marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Always.

This is honestly way overplayed.

[joycenalex]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by kevinrats
Bush is not changing the constitution. The constitution has always defined marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Always.

ahh, kevin, which amendment in the constution are you citing?