rain forest

[cturtle]

All the animals in the rain forest are going to be extinct, because if people arent chopping down trees so animals have no place to live, there killing the animals for stupid fur coats. The only reason people are buying the stupid coats is because it makes them look rich and fancy. Nobody ever took into account that the animals are slaughtered and tortured so some rich people could look fancy. This really really pisses me off. I mean it's bad enough that people eat the animals but there wearing the fur of a dead animal! ~alli~ p.s. britt im becoming a full vegitarian I really feel bad for the animals I mean humans are animals and so if humans eat meat then it's an act of cannibalism!

[Andie]

Originally posted by cturtle
p.s. britt im becoming a full vegitarian I really feel bad for the animals I mean humans are animals and so if humans eat meat then it's an act of cannibalism!

Not trying to disrespect you, your opinions, or your veganism (is that even a word?) but I just wanted to point out that cannibalism is the eating of your own species. Otherwise it's just being a carnivore.

[cturtle]

yes but humans are animals and animals are animals (obviously) and so its like eating your own kind

[cturtle]

If you eat an animal, it's like eating yourself. If you wear fur it's like your wearing your own skin. If you eat meat it's like eating your soul and your inner body. Only when the last tree is dead, the last river is dammed and the last field is paved over will we realize we can't eat money. The animals are getting killed and no one gives a toot and then soon the all the rivers will be polluted so much we won't have drinking water and then the animals will drink from the water and die. Then when people can't eat meat (who would it's canabalism) and no vegitation is left our spiecies will die out just like the rest. Don't kill animals and please don't eat dead processed meat it's canabalism!

[Andie]

Originally posted by cturtle
yes but humans are animals and animals are animals (obviously) and so its like eating your own kind

Not to be mean or anything but why is only bad that humans eat meat. No one thinks anything of a wolf eating, let's say, a rabbit. The wolf is an animal right? The rabbit is an animal right?
No one thinks that the wolf is a cannibal, they just say that's nature and moves on. So basicly going on what you're saying, it's ok for wild animals to do what comes naturally but for a human to do the same is wrong. It says on your profile that you have cats, have you ever looked at what's in cat food. Is it cannibalistic for your cat to eat tuna or chicken in its cat food?

[popcornbird]

Originally posted by cturtle
All the animals in the rain forest are going to be extinct, because if people arent chopping down trees so animals have no place to live, there killing the animals for stupid fur coats. The only reason people are buying the stupid coats is because it makes them look rich and fancy. Nobody ever took into account that the animals are slaughtered and tortured so some rich people could look fancy. This really really pisses me off. I mean it's bad enough that people eat the animals but there wearing the fur of a dead animal! ~alli~ p.s. britt im becoming a full vegitarian I really feel bad for the animals I mean humans are animals and so if humans eat meat then it's an act of cannibalism!

I agree that it is wrong to destroy the rainforests and to kill animals for their coats. That is ABSOLUTELY wrong, and needs to be stopped..............However, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong about eating meat. How can you call eating meat cannibalism??? We are not eating our own species. Ok, we may be animals, but we are NOT the same. Lions don't eat lions but they eat other animals, so let's call them cannibals as well. Why do you feed your cats meat? Cat food is made out of other animals. Why isn't it cannibalism for them to eat animals? And let me tell you one thing, not a single specie that is eaten by human being is near extinction, or even close to being endangered. We humans eat cows, lambs, goats, chicken, fish, and some other animals. None of these animals is near extinction. In fact, the whole world is full of them. The animals that are endangered are because of other reasons, and those reasons need to be stopped. If you choose to be vegetarian, that's your choice, but you can't go around trying to make other people vegetarian because it won't work. No matter what you do, people aren't going to stop eating meat. Just like other animals eat meat, so do we. Animal protein is an important part of a human's diet, and though too much is not good, it is important to eat meat in limited quantities. I once considered to become a vegetarian but my doctor told me not to because he said in my growing age, up to the age of 18-20, animal protein is important in limited quantities. I don't mean to be rude or anything, but if animals can eat animals, so can we. It might be part of their nature but its part of our nature too. Human beings have been eating meat since the first man, just as cats and dogs have. There is nothing anyone can do to stop this, and there is no reason to stop it either. I am not a meat lover. I eat meat like 1-2 times a week and I like veggies better, but I do not find anything wrong with eating meat. Our pets eat it too.

[RockyRoad]

Hey I think everyone on Pet Talk disagrees with people that want to tear down rainforests, but then again I cannot speak fo everyone. My opinion on the subject is that these people might want to look "rich and fancy", but it is more logical to assume that they need more land space, not that I approve. Do not automatically take offence of anyone who wears fur. We all do you know. I mean wool is sheep and there are lots of different things we wear everyday that are fur. Sure there are other fabrics that are not made of animals, but even if you are a vegiterian or do not like wearing animal fur, you have to admit even you have worn fur once in your life. Anyhoot, I noticed you using the word stupid a lot, Alli. I got a little worried there. Be careful what you post, anyone in the world can be reading these forums.

As for the vegiterian thing, yeah, I'm a vegiterian. But it is not exactly "wrong" to eat an animal. I mean if you walked up to a cat and just gobbled it up...well...nobody has the sense to do that. But just as Andie said animals eat other animals all the time to survive. If you do not get the right amount of protein you can die. I never much cared for meat anyway so for me it was not such a big loss. Bears and other such animals eat us, so we are just keeping our end of the food chain. Even though I feel that animals and people should not eat any animals and people, everyone is intitled to their own opinion. I agree halfway with everyone because I believe everyone has a good veiws, well, most of the time. Thanks.
~PS~ I cannot call it cannibalism either, there is absoloutely nothing wrong with eating meat, like Popcornbird said.

[Desert Arabian]

OMG! cturtle- I am right with you. I am a member of PETA!!! People Eating Tasty Animals!! WoW! What a small world.

In fact, yesterday I got me my christmas goose!


I do believe is some ways that the destruction of the rainforest is wrong, it is sad to think about all the animals. But- it is happening here in the USA too. In my state, Wisconsin, there was a beautiful forest rich and abundant in rare and non-rare species. Well, that is no longer a forest- it is a subdivison full of million dollar homes.


p.s. taking wool from a sheep is HARMLESS! They sheer (shave) it off. The sheep is never harmed by this process.

[RockyRoad]

And it does not exactly harm a cow to give milk or a chicken to lay eggs(well maybe..but..). Just wanted to add that in because some things you eat that come from animals were not actually the animals, just the things they make.

[All Creatures Great And Small]

veg·e·tar·i·an n (plural veg·e·tar·i·ans) somebody not eating meat or fish: somebody who does not eat meat or fish but instead eats vegetables, fruits, grains, seeds, and sometimes eggs and dairy products

veg·an (plural veg·ans) n person who never eats animal products: somebody who does not eat animal products for moral, social, or religious motives.

o·vo·lac·to·veg·e·tar·i·an (plural o·vo·lac·to·veg·e·tar·i·ans) n vegetarian eating eggs and dairy products: a vegetarian who eats eggs and dairy products, but no products that involve the killing of animals. See also vegan n.

cturtle, I thought this would help you when referring to your personal dietary habits - everybody can make their own personal choices; that's what I love about America. I just can't imagine a young person wanting to go without eating ice cream and pizza (unless it's a cheese-less pizza - YUK!) If you're really going to get into the vegan lifestyle, I would recommend the study of proteins from plant sources, because at your age, you really need a lot of protein for the development of your mind and body. Please talk to your pediatrician about your dietary choice. Are your parents aware of your decision not to eat animal products?

I was not aware that the animals used in the making of fur coats were native to the rainforest. Mink, nutria, beaver, sable, fox etc. - I thought they were raised on ranches. I don't wear fur because it's not really in style anymore, and on a person my size and height it makes me look like a woolly mammoth. As far as meat - I LOVE IT!! And since I'm from Wisconsin, gotta have the cheese - can't live without cheese! Everytime I drive by a field with cows in it (every couple miles around here), I thank them for their delicious milk, butter, ice cream, cheese, sour cream, yogurt, tenderloins...... - mmmmmm, I gotta go eat lunch

[COCatMama]

I have been a vegetarian for approx 12 years. I realized one day when I was a teenager that eating meat was completely hypocritical for me to do, since I love all animals *and not as food*. Also, *don't laugh* I was watching an ep of MacGyver and an elephant or rhino was poached for it's horns which upset me, but when I thought about it there was no difference between killing a cow or chicken or pig to eat it. And contrary to what some people think a Vegetarian does NOT eat chicken and FISH!!

I am not a vegan tho, and I have caught some flak for that. I consume dairy products and eggs, I love cheese and stuff...
I strongly disagree with hunting ESPECIALLY with rifles and things, I think that if you hunt animals you should have to fashion your own weapon like a bow, that way you actually have to stalk the animal and he/she can easily escape. Anyways, be careful to get enough B VITAMINS and PROTEIN and if you are female you need to eat some iron-rich foods like enriched pasta with tomato sauce. You have to start checking labels for animal products like RENNET or BEEF FAT....alot of commercial products have these things in them. I could go on for pages so if you want to talk more about becoming a *healthy* vegetarian please email me [email protected]

Above all else, respect everyone's right to choose what to eat for themselves, I do not hassle my friends for eating meat and *I expect the same respect from them*.

[Desert Arabian]

I'd hate to tell ya, but just because you shoot at animals with a rifle or a shotgun, doesn't mean you harvest an animal everytime you shoot (if that were true every deer/duck/squrriel, etc would be extinct). Guns were fashioned by people,like bows, for the same reasons bows were made. Just because a bow doesn't go "bang", and use bullets- it is still as dangerous and capeable of killing animals.

[Andie]

Originally posted by Lalania
an elephant or rhino was poached for it's horns which upset me, but when I thought about it there was no difference between killing a cow or chicken or pig to eat it.

Above all else, respect everyone's right to choose what to eat for themselves, I do not hassle my friends for eating meat and *I expect the same respect from them*.

There is a difference between poaching a Rhino for its horn and killing a cow/chicken/pig for food. Usually they use all they can of an animal when they are processing it but when you poach rhino horns they cut the horn off and leave it for the buzzards. That is a huge difference!


I don' t think anyone was hassling anyone else, we were stating our opinions. We weren't putting anyone down.

[COCatMama]

I meant to me killing an animal for it's horns or for it's meat is the same for me...hard to explain.

Also, I was saying that respect thing for cturtle because if she/he becomes a veggie she/he will get lots of flak for it. Best to treat others the way you would like to be treated, right? Also, if people refuse to stop hassling you about it....kick em to the curb!

I am just trying to give cturtle some advice eh? cause I've been there and still am

Also, not many people MAKE their own guns eh? not many can make a bow either, I know a few who can.

[Desert Arabian]

Yea, your right- guns fall from the sky! They are made by.......people! How do you think guns got on this planet??

You know what... I think if you want to drive you have to make your own car out of bamboo and coconuts- like on Gilligan's Island.