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    Adult Only Beach Area

    I was a bit shocked at first, but hey, I think it would be great. Do you?


    Adults draw line in the sand in Lake Forest


    By Susan Kuczka
    Tribune staff reporter

    June 22, 2007

    Pails, shovels and the kids who tote them no longer will be allowed in
    a kid-free zone that opened this summer on the public beach in Lake
    Forest.

    "We're creating a quieter space for those adults that are in search of
    that type of atmosphere," said Sally Swarthout, program manager for the
    north suburban city's Parks & Recreation Board, which created the
    21-and-older beach at the request of several residents. About a quarter of
    the city's nearly milelong beach is now for adults only.

    Baby Boomer Cindy Janke called it a welcome oasis.

    "It's just nice to have a break away from the noise and crowds, and
    have a little peace and quiet, and listen to the waves, and kind of lose
    yourself in the tranquility of the shoreline," said Janke, whose
    children are grown. "Everyone's so used to being around kids when we were
    younger, but here you might be able to socialize with a few members of the
    older generation."

    The beach ban is one of a growing number of prohibitions against kids
    that have popped up in recent years. From hotels to coffeehouses,
    child-free seems to be gaining popularity in an otherwise family friendly
    nation.

    Experts say a combination of factors may be at play: the increasing
    number of childless households across the nation; the demise of the old
    saw that children should be seen and not heard; and a huge Baby Boomer
    population with a 'been there, done that' attitude toward children. And
    in a more hectic world, people are trying to carve out mini-havens of
    solitude.

    The efforts to restrict children's behavior usually don't come without
    controversy, especially if they make parents feel like outcasts. A
    Taste of Heaven in Andersonville made national headlines when owner Dan
    McCauley put up a sign in the window that read: "Children of all ages have
    to behave and use their indoor voices when coming to A Taste of
    Heaven."

    The Lake Forest beach ban also could brew a storm, some experts say.

    "To close off a space that is quintessentially associated with children
    and sand castles and pails and bathing suits seems to me to be a sad
    commentary," said Diane Geraghty, director of the Civitas ChildLaw Center
    at Loyola University Chicago. "It almost sounds like people want to
    create their own country club on [public] property."

    But some parents with kids at home said they, too, relish the rare
    quiet time at the kid-free beach. The city's Park and Recreation Board
    approved creation of the adults-only section last fall.

    "If I came here, and there were a million screaming kids, where would I
    go to get away from mine?" said Dawn Kirsch, a 40-something mother of
    four who sneaks to the shoreline when she can, and was recently paying
    bills at the adults-only beach. "Sometimes I just want to get away from
    the phone and the kids and just relax and hear the sound of the water."

    Joanne Philpott, 36, goes to the beach with her three children, unless
    she can get away by herself, like she did this week.

    "When I have the kids, I have all that craziness, so when you can get
    an hour of relaxation to yourself, the last thing you want to do is
    watch someone else's kid running all around," she said.

    Still, some residents wonder why a kid-free beach is necessary. They
    said adults tended to gravitate to the area that is now for adults only,
    anyway, because it was farthest away from the beach playground,
    concession stand and restrooms.

    "It has typically been used by a lot of adults who want to get away
    from the kids kicking sand and throwing Frisbees and making lots of
    noise," said parks Supt. Wendy McKiernan.

    Every now and then, though, a sandcastle or other evidence of children
    would get through the invisible line the adults had drawn in the sand
    with their beach blankets and umbrellas. Hence the more official
    designation.

    With more people living in kid-free households, it's also become
    acceptable for adults to request a child-free zone, according to Bernard
    Beck, an associate professor emeritus at Northwestern University in
    Evanston.

    "It didn't use to be respectable to speak out in public in ways that
    were anti-child or anti-family, but now that sort of talk is very
    acceptable," Beck said, citing various comedians who have riffed on the
    anti-kid theme.

    Beck also said people who are alike tend to gravitate toward one
    another.

    "So if someone says, 'I hate being around younger people' and they're
    rich and powerful, they'll do what they can to create a situation where
    they can have things the way the like it," he said.

    The pint-size beachgoers never bothered Joanne Martin, who said she
    considered the kids' play as natural to the beach scene as the sand.

    "I can kind of understand when the kids are playing Frisbee and running
    all over, but I really like to hear the voices of children on the
    beach," said Martin, a mother of three, who visited the all-ages beach
    recently with her 7th grader.

    Although there's no fencing or signs surrounding the adults-only zone,
    the beach staff has been told to keep an eye out for anyone under 21
    who might stray into it.

    Lifeguards said they aren't worried about teenagers trying to sneak in.
    "The kids never really hung out there anyway because of all the
    adults," lifeguard Julian Bulaon said.

    Some teenagers, though, don't like being singled out.

    "It's not very nice," said Alyssa Loicano, 13.

    "But it's better than being blocked from the entire beach for a certain
    amount of time," said Brittany Frechette, 14.

    Visitors to the adults-only portion of the beach will be asked to show
    proof of their age, a requirement the beach monitors don't expect to be
    particularly onerous.

    "We'll just eyeball people, and if they look too young we'll get them
    out of there," said Bulaon, who at 18 is technically barred from the
    adults-only section. "But I'm the lifeguard, so if I have to go on it to
    yell at somebody, it'll be OK."
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    I like it...there are lots more beaches around!

    While they're at it - how about a child-free Walmart and mall?
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    Hmmm, seems to me that the taxes paid to support the beach are from everyone.

    Are those under 21 having their taxes reduced by an appropriate amount to cover the fact that that part of the beach is no longer open to them? How about a tax reduction for parents of kids who can no longer use that part of the beach?

    A public use area is just that.......a public use area.
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    Hmmmmmm.....so if some 20 year old kid just returns from Iraq, he's not old enough to go into the adult section of the beach ????
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    While I am 100% in favor of an adult beach, I just know there are going to be members on here with kids, who have a totally different opinion on this one.

    I ain't saying no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human

    Hmmm, seems to me that the taxes paid to support the beach are from everyone.

    Are those under 21 having their taxes reduced by an appropriate amount
    to cover the fact that that part of the beach is no longer open to them?
    Two Sides to most coins ...

    What about the Kiddie Swings in the MUNICIPAL Park that are too small for me to use?

    And a BIG one --- I got no KIDS --- WHY do I have to pay School Taxes?

    As long as no particular age group gets ALL the goodies ...
    a reasonably fair distribution of the benefits and perks seems equitable.

    And one might ask ... just how many of the Under-21 Crowd are actually paying Beach Taxes?


    /s/ Phred

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    I think it's a wonderful idea! These days, there are hardly any places that aren't adult only and some should be. I've even seen young kids in bars. Now I'm just speaking in general here. There are people that don't watch their young ones and let them roam all over/be loud in places such as coffee shops, restaurants, etc. When parents have great kids, I'm the first one to compliment them on the manners. Because it is such a rarity. The point I'm getting at is when you're out somewhere to relax, a screaming, wild child is not what you're wanting to hear.

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    Yeah....I can see both sides of the coin to, but I think 21 years of age as a cut off point is a bit high....I mean....are say 16 year olds and upwards really noisy etc etc ????
    Wom

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    I have kids..well not really kids anymore but I see no problem with it...there are times that adults want to be with adults...I see no problem with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cinder & Smoke
    What about the Kiddie Swings in the MUNICIPAL Park that are too small for me to use?
    /s/ Phred
    Yeah....but you get to ride around on a fire truck !!!!!
    Wom

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    School taxes provide a service which is in the general public interest.

    I wouldn't have a problem with a separate beach area if it were paid for by a separate fee.

    (And yes, I also have issues with publicly funded stadiums for pro sports teams. If my taxes are supporting the stadium, where's my seat?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human
    School taxes provide a service which is in the general public interest.

    I wouldn't have a problem with a separate beach area if it were paid for by a separate fee.

    (And yes, I also have issues with publicly funded stadiums for pro sports teams. If my taxes are supporting the stadium, where's my seat?)
    Last time I checked, the majority of Americans were opposed to the Iraq war. That little enterprise has cost billions upon billions of dollars, so most likely more of everyone's tax dollars go towards buying bombs then funding a small area of a public beach.

    I think it would actually be a great idea if you could choose what you taxes went towards. I would probably pay double what I pay now for taxes if it could be used towards good schools and public programs, and health care. But instead, my money goes towards destruction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat2u2004

    Yeah ... but you get to ride around on a fire truck !!!!!
    Wom
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    OMG C&S.....you want your own beach and eat your fire truck to ?????
    UNFAIR !!!!!!!
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    But you DO have a voice in what your municipal taxes go toward!

    I have yet to vote against a school budget increase. (oops, one exception. I DID vote against a new school in the town we used to live in.......mainly because the town had JUST finished renovating the school that the new school has replaced. I have something against a town paying $40 million to renovate a school to have the school board ask for another increase 6 months later to tear the whole thing down and build new)

    I also wouldn't have an issue with something like this is it was voted on by the general public in an election.

    A tad off topic, but.......

    If you don't like what your rep in DC is doing, vote them out of office! People can't be too upset with what's going on in DC because last time I checked the re-election rate was still north of 80%
    Last edited by Lady's Human; 06-23-2007 at 07:39 PM. Reason: had to hit send before I was done
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