Two stories about medicine that trouble me.

**RICHARD** · 01-13-2007, 03:00 PM

I was dozing with the radio on and I heard about some doctor who took a dog and gave it an aneursym to demonstrate a medical device to a group...he then had the dog euthanized,

I am sure that was what I heard........But the facts may be twisted..

Plus who has heard about the pillow angel case from the Pac Northwest?

http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?...pillow%20angel

This really creeps me out...especaillay the fact that the father blogged a comment about now wanting his daughter to be 'molested' as she got older!!!

**TamanduaGirl** · 01-13-2007, 03:22 PM

http://blog.sciam.com/index.php?titl...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

**lizbud** · 01-13-2007, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

I was dozing with the radio on and I heard about some doctor who took a dog and gave it an aneursym to demonstrate a medical device to a group...he then had the dog euthanized,

I am sure that was what I heard........But the facts may be twisted..

I believe you got the facts right.

http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=120031

I had read on a story on the" pillow angel" case a while ago on Slate. They
had a link to the father's blog/ diary. I was shocked at first, but the more I
read the reasoning behind the parents decision, the more I would support
their decision to intervene on her behalf. It's a very sad situation.

**Twisterdog** · 01-13-2007, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

I had read on a story on the" pillow angel" case a while ago on Slate. They had a link to the father's blog/ diary. I was shocked at first, but the more I read the reasoning behind the parents decision, the more I would support their decision to intervene on her behalf. It's a very sad situation.

I felt the same exact way. My first reaction was horror ... but the more I read, the more I understood their reasoning and logic. I think it's their right, frankly. This girl is NEVER going to mature or grow up mentally or emotionally. Her parents are 100% responsible for everything from feeding her to changing her diapers ... and they will be until the day either she or they die. I would urge everyone to read all the details on this before making a judgement.

**RICHARD** · 01-17-2007, 11:29 PM

So I guess if you have a dog that runs away all the time you can take it to a vet to have it's legs taken off?

Isn't that the reason you have kids?

To take care of them no matter what?

What a crock of crap.

It's all about having the easy way out.

**Cataholic** · 01-18-2007, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

It's all about having the easy way out.

There is not any easy way out for these people. I couldn't imagine their heavy, heavy burden.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

**RICHARD** · 01-18-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Cataholic

There is not any easy way out for these people. I couldn't imagine their heavy, heavy burden.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

Right, there was no easy way out.

So, they went to a med ethics board and filleted their daughter so they could save their backs and get a 'pillow angel".

Ugh, even that term makes me sick.

Angels were meant to fly-not to be earthboiund, caressed by 180 count cotton.

**Edwina's Secretary** · 01-18-2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

To take care of them no matter what?

Who are you to define what is "taking care of them" in this case???

What a painful situation they are in. And what use is a uterus to this poor child. I would hardly compare that to taking the legs off a dog so it won't run. Why don't you compare it to neutering your cat or dog?

My heart breaks for this family who know a pain that is unimaginable to the rest of us....

Judge not...lest you be judged....

**lizbud** · 01-18-2007, 06:44 PM

Richard, you are not a woman nor a mother, so how in the world can you
ever understand what this mother's reasons & feelings are?

**RICHARD** · 01-18-2007, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Richard, you are not a woman nor a mother, so how in the world can you
ever understand what this mother's reasons & feelings are?

Neither,

I did take care of my dad who was diabetic, on dialysis, an amputee and had alzheimer's.

I changed the dressings on his foot and watched gangrene take his toes.

Hmmmmm,

I guess I know what it's like to be a son.

Does that count?

To me it was a matter of making his life more comfortable --he did a little for me, so why not return the favor?

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You are right, what is a uterus to a kid, breast buds and hormones for that matter?

Because I don't have indoor plumbing that makes me unable to feel?

Geez, that smacks of sexism....just a little bit.

It seems that I always get hit with that arguement.

I guess I am not entitled to an opinion because of my genetic makeup...sorry.

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I see now that it's a quality of life issue.

"We took those steps to make our daughter more portable.
She won't have her period or breasts, easy cleanup and no bra."

She'll spend the rest of her time on earth as a stunted shell lying on a pillow.

Lovely.

**Twisterdog** · 01-18-2007, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

So I guess if you have a dog that runs away all the time you can take it to a vet to have it's legs taken off?

Isn't that the reason you have kids?

To take care of them no matter what?

What a crock of crap.

It's all about having the easy way out.

Richard, do I recall reading in one of your former posts that you do not have children?

I have children, but not special needs children, and certianly not in the extreme case of this poor girl and her family. NONE of us is EVER going to know what these people go through 24 hours per day, 365 days per year.

What good would come of this bedridden, almost vegetative child to begin to menstruate? She is never going to bear children, or have sex. She is never going to be more than she is right now. Why put her through that? Why put her parents through it? What could would come of her being several inches taller? She can't stand up. What could come of her being fifty pounds heavier? Answer - bedsores.

You are quick and harsh to judge things you know NOTHING about.

**RICHARD** · 01-18-2007, 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Twisterdog

Richard, do I recall reading in one of your former posts that you do not have children?

You are quick and harsh to judge things you know NOTHING about.

No, and I have bled.

I do need kids to have feelings...

You are correct, I wouldn't know about kids.

I always thought they were baby goats.

**Cataholic** · 01-19-2007, 09:06 AM

Richard,
This is the second time, in most recent history, that I can remember you doing EXACTLY what you are doing right now. You posted something you thought all of us would be so all over, and now, that you realize you "oops", you are going to try to humor your way out of it.

Stop digging the hole. Your interpretation is so out of control. Your comments illustrate you have no idea what is going on in these people's lives. You are knee-jerk reacting, time after time. Just stop.

**lizbud** · 01-19-2007, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Neither,

I did take care of my dad who was diabetic, on dialysis, an amputee and had alzheimer's.

I changed the dressings on his foot and watched gangrene take his toes.

To me it was a matter of making his life more comfortable --he did a little for me, so why not return the favor?

-I see now that it's a quality of life issue.

I am so sorry about your Dad. Wouldn't you have spared him that pain and suffering if you could have?

These parents have kept their daughter in mind when making these medical
decisions for her.How could a woman with the mind of a 6 mo old baby have
handled the pain and discomfort of her monthly cycle & the risk of uterine
cancer later on. She does wear thick straps around her chest for lifting in and out of her bed by her parents. The mother said the women in her family
are all big breasted woman. That, and the risk of breast cancer has also
been avoided They too considered their daughters quality of life.

**RICHARD** · 01-19-2007, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Cataholic

Richard,
This is the second time, in most recent history, that I can remember you doing EXACTLY what you are doing right now. You posted something you thought all of us would be so all over, and now, that you realize you "oops", you are going to try to humor your way out of it.

Just stop.

Do me a favor?

Just stop reading my posts. Like most opinionated people I don't flip flop when the wind blows. My position is that if you are not prepared to have kids and all the crap that goes along with them, bow out. I bowed.

Customizing a child to a familial situation is tasteless and sad comment about what medicine in our country has come to. Just like in-vitro, let's implant a dozen eggs, waste 6 and pop out a litter with all kinds of problems.
d

I think I am smart enough to know that I couldn't handle having children and
I don't feel good about arguing with the only mother in the United States.

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Liz,

Was the Med community sure that her endocrine functions were intact?

Here's my hypothetical....

If I had married and my wife had a stroke and was veggied out-

I would want a hyst-to keep her from having kids.
Breast implants- Laser bikini waxing - and a feeding tube, I don't want her to gain anymore weight while she lies there.

You see, It's really difficult for me, as her husband to go out and date again-I am married, and it's convienent for me not to enter the singles scene again.

So I want to keep her 'viable' because I married her in sickness and in health.

And nothing over a large "d", ok?