Ray nagin is a moron.

[RICHARD]

Ray Nagin is a moron.

He still cannot keep jis mouth shut.


His comment about 'the hole' in New York should make him feel wonderful,
If the US government can't fill up a hole what makes him think they are going to rebuild his city.

I do remember the 94 earthquake.

We got our arses handed to us and our freeway system sucked (still does)
for years.....and if you have a car but no road, especially in CA you really SUCK.

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If you look at the WTC why should the government pay to clean it up?

It was a private building, private planes hit it.

So why should we worry about your sorry arse Mr. Mayor?

Sue mother Nature....

Have spke lee toss over some of the coin he's making on the city's sorrow.
Call the Rev. Al or Jesse.....they really care...


People of New Orleans. You voted him in. You deal with him!

[Cinder & Smoke]

Ray Nagin is a moron.

People of New Orleans:

You voted him (back) in.
You deal with him!

Food for Thought for some of the rest of us ...
'specially the folks who Don't VOTE!

/s/ Phred

[Lady's Human]

In keeping with comments I've made about the current President, calling a politician a Moron is not the most constructive comment in the world. If we're calling a politician a moron, how intelligent can the people who voted him into office be?

Personally, I wouldn't be complaining about waiting for federal money to clean up the city. I'd be more concerned with motivating the people who live in the city to clean it up themselves.

Need a job? Here's a shovel/hammer/saw/ (I'm sure you get the idea).

Need bulldozers/operators? Have the national guard set up training for the people who need jobs, using NG equipment to train on, and solve two problems at the same time.

There are any number of creative, positive solutions to problems. Whining and moaning that Washington isn't doing enough isn't one of them.

[Corinna]

I agree with both you men , but LH they tried to get the locals to clean up. It seems more Illeagel mexiacans were more intrested in the jobs than the locals. Had freinds down there working there butts off to help and the locals for the most part sat on there arses whinning about not getting help or where to go to get there welfare checks. I really have to agree mostly with Richard on thois one.
Gee just realised I was the first woman to post sorry if I cut in on a guy thread>

[Lady's Human]

If there's work to be had, and people are still on welfare, there's a simple solution. Are you able bodied? Here's a hammer, go to work. You don't want to work? No check. If the people who live there don't want to physically rebuild it, fine, don't. It's just a hole in the ground that will eventually be filled in by the Gulf of Mexico anyway.

A note to Mr. Nagin. Most problems (not all, but most) involving motivation and inspiration can be fixed by a motivated leader prepared to set the standard. People follow their leaders. If the Mayor is whining about Washington DC not helping (NOT Washington DC's job to fix NO, IMHO, it's NO's job to fix NO) what does he expect the people in New Orleans to do? People follow their leaders. Whining begets whining. Do NCOs in the military complain? Yes, but we do it between ourselves and behind closed doors. Whine to your staff, whine to the bottle on the desk, whine to your dog, NEVER whine to the press and expect to be an effective leader.

[Laura's Babies]

The Baton Rouge TV stations have carried this story and had a list of the bloopers that have come out of his mouth (so far) just a few days ago. He REALLY needs to keep his mouth SHUT!

What Nagin was also saying was they HAVE to contact all the owners of all that peoperty to get permission to go in and clean up that property.. WHY can't it be declared a health hazzard and be cleaned up WITHOUT notifying anybody? They know it is a mess and needs cleaning up, no matter where they are in the USA, give them "X" number of days to do it, then go in and do it for them..

[BOBS DAD]

If there's work to be had, and people are still on welfare, there's a simple solution. Are you able bodied? Here's a hammer, go to work... Most problems (not all, but most) involving motivation and inspiration can be fixed by a motivated leader prepared to set the standard.

People follow their leaders... People follow their leaders. Whining begets whining. Do NCOs in the military complain? Yes, but we do it between ourselves and behind closed doors. Whine to your staff, whine to the bottle on the desk, whine to your dog, NEVER whine to the press and expect to be an effective leader.

Most problems (not all, but most) involving motivation and inspiration can be fixed by a motivated leader prepared to set the standard. Read President Bush???

I agree with you about a strong leader. How about leading from the top? Doesn't president Bush and his administration have the authority to declare New Orleans a National Diaster and Disgrace. Can't he and FEMA begin the training on Bulldozer and Backhoes that you speak of. Can't he "lead" by example and get the ball rolling - "and others will follow".

I have lots of concerns about leadership and lack of and they begin with the Commander & Chief. One of my biggest? OIL!!! O-I-L, Oil... we don't need it. we could be OIL INDEPENDENT in 5 years (or less) if we took a hard stance and a LEADERSHIP ROLE... and just said good bye to the billions still to made yet in OIL investments. MANY, MANY of our international problems would just "fade away" if suddenly we "no longer needed" OIL from the Middle East.

[Lady's Human]

Local Leadership needs to solve local problems, which is what this thread is about. The leadership in New Orleans has been abysmal, but they have re-elected the people responsible for the problems dealing with the Katrina aftermath.

The Federal Government is not responsible for the management of the cleanup. The city is.

[BOBS DAD]

Local Leadership needs to solve local problems, which is what this thread is about. The leadership in New Orleans has been abysmal, but they have re-elected the people responsible for the problems dealing with the Katrina aftermath.

The Federal Government is not responsible for the management of the cleanup. The city is.

I agree. Local Leadership should solve local problems. And yes, you are right the people of New Orleans have in fact, re-elected the folks who have shown ineptness in these matters. BUt when local leadership fails, isn't it time for larger, more powerful entities to step in and lend a hand. No... not by doing... but by showing how and establishing the means (training, volunteer organizing and collective deployment of availabale resources).

Haven't we - as a nation - sort of done the same. Haven't "we" re-elected a President who has failed to implement his many campaign promises and has become embroiled in a war that he has shown us to be incapable of managing?

[Lady's Human]

I'm not going to get into a discussion on Pres. Bush, as he has nothing to do with the situation in New Orleans. FEMA power is limited by law due to fears of FEMA stepping out of bounds. As FEMA is the lead agency in disaster recovery, that means all other fed agencies' power is limited as well.

If a higher division of government were to step in, it should be the State of Louisiana. Not the Federal government/US military/UN/illuminati/masons.......

It should follow the logical progression of government. The Federal Government is NOT the answer to all of life's problems, and in most cases just makes them worse when they stick their fingers into things.

[BOBS DAD]

I'm not going to get into a discussion on Pres. Bush, as he has nothing to do with the situation in New Orleans. FEMA power is limited by law due to fears of FEMA stepping out of bounds. As FEMA is the lead agency in disaster recovery, that means all other fed agencies' power is limited as well.

If a higher division of government were to step in, it should be the State of Louisiana. Not the Federal government/US military/UN/illuminati/masons.......

It should follow the logical progression of government. The Federal Government is NOT the answer to all of life's problems, and in most cases just makes them worse when they stick their fingers into things.

REALLY???

So I see. Federal Government is "NOT" a viable resource to tap, in the case of national disasters. AND Federal Government "ACTUALLY" make matters worse when called upon to assist??? Thanks for the education.

[Lady's Human]

Once again........The required steps to take to get FEMA assistance in the form of boots on the ground (as opposed to money, which merely takes declaration of a state of emergency)

1) Declaration of a disaster by local government
2) same from state
3) same from fed govt
4) State calls out NG
5) AFTER calling out NG, the state Governor can then request fed assistance.

Federal assistance is limited in scope, by statute. The people who wrote the laws regulating FEMA wanted FEMA to be an ASSISTANCE and coordination agency, not an agency to come in and take over.

Federal military personnel, can be used, but only as a labor force, not as law enforcement/security. Law Enforcement and security falls on the shoulders of local law enforcement and the NG.

FEDERAL military personnel CANNOT train civilians on the use of military equipment (bulldozers, etc). The state assets can do so.

FEDERAL military personnel cannot take control of National Guard assets to perform NG missions.

Federal assistance in a disaster is mainly limited to financial assistance. the Southern Tier in NY had severe flooding at the end dof June. There were no federal personnel on site with the exception of the people from FEMA handling paperwork. No military troops, just National Guard. No whining from local officials (Gov. Pataki brought local needs to the fed level, as is supposed to happen).

Who's rebuilding the southern tier? Local residents, with financial help from FEMA, which is the way things are designed to work.

[BOBS DAD]

Federal military personnel, can be used, but only as a labor force, not as law enforcement/security. Law Enforcement and security falls on the shoulders of local law enforcement and the NG.

FEDERAL military personnel CANNOT train civilians on the use of military equipment (bulldozers, etc). The state assets can do so.

Who is talking about "Military Personnel"??? The Federal Government most definitely has the pwer and the authority to jump start any program it so desires. Training of "miltary equipment" - like the stealth "bulldozer" should be an "easy process".

I guess my concern is that when you see a member of your family struggling and failing - even due to his own ineptness and bad decisions - do you simply say, "I can't get involved"?

They created their own mess and they need to clean it up - EVEN WHEN YOU KNOW that eventually there mess (in the form of Crime, Poverty and Civil Unrest) is "going to be yours" in due time. Only by the time you inherit it - IT WILL BE BIGGER.

[Lady's Human]

BOB's Dad, there are these little things called laws that limit what the federal government can or cannot do.

For example.........

I cannot train a civilian on the use of military equipment (a bulldozer, for instance). It would be a violation of federal law, (barring non uniformed personnel from utilizing military equipment), the UCMJ, and orders from every command I've ever been in. The president cannot at a whim suspend several chapters of the Combined Federal Code.

The National Guard, however, can do so, and do so easily, as they have the authority to do so, normally granted by the governor of the state.

Civil relief in disaster areas is a local (local and state government) responsibillity. Period. By law.

[BOBS DAD]

BOB's Dad, there are these little things called laws that limit what the federal government can or cannot do.

For example.........

I cannot train a civilian on the use of military equipment (a bulldozer, for instance). It would be a violation of federal law, (barring non uniformed personnel from utilizing military equipment), the UCMJ, and orders from every command I've ever been in. The president cannot at a whim suspend several chapters of the Combined Federal Code.

The National Guard, however, can do so, and do so easily, as they have the authority to do so, normally granted by the governor of the state.

Civil relief in disaster areas is a local (local and state government) responsibillity. Period. By law.

C'mon Lady's Human...

Adding a "Period" to the end of your comment doesn't make it any more authoritive or conclusive!

A Bulldozer is not Military Equipment (and I am not so sure why you continue to refer to it as such). I myself, can operate a bulldozer. And as far you, an NCO - training a civilian on a Bulldozer (or a Tank for that matter) - I suppose you are right. Seems reasonable... and a bit of a waste of your time. But as far as the Federal Government contracting a private firm to coordinate and handle the project - I am sure they can. It is called cooperation between the state, local and federal governments. And if you think it would be so beneficial (as you stated earlier) to do so, then it perhaps should be implemented.

I am not so naive as to think that the Federal Government is no longer involved in the affairs of Lousianna and New Orleans in particular. I would bet all of the money I have and will ever earn that they are still firmly entrenched in the matter. I am absolutely certain that there organizations, firms and individuals currently involved in the reconstructuion of New Orleans at the beheast of the Federal Government - contracted by and paid for by Federal Tax Monies. Perhaps their efforts and funding would be better directed at the development and implementation of the ideas you expressed earlier!!! See... we agree!!!