Gun control discussion

**Louie and me** · 12-18-2012, 06:34 AM

I readily admit that I am very biased in this situation however, I am prepared to compromise. Let's say that individuals do have the right to bear arms providing the arms are the same ones (not replicas) manufactured and available at the time the 2nd amendment was written. It was ratified in 1791 I believe?

**Lady's Human** · 12-18-2012, 07:02 AM

I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I've hit the point of not caring one whit.

There are many, many things about Canadian law, the laws of the Euro zone, and other places that frankly I don't like.

Ya know what? I don't live there.

The laws don't affect me.

As such, I don't comment on the internal politics of other nations unless it has a direct, material effect on the United States.

Our Constitution has no material effect on Canada or the UK. (Miss Z, this isn't aimed at you in any way, shape or form). It's our peculiar document.

Leave its workings to the people it effects.

**Louie and me** · 12-18-2012, 07:56 AM

Point taken.

**lizbud** · 12-18-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I've hit the point of not caring one whit.

There are many, many things about Canadian law, the laws of the Euro zone, and other places that frankly I don't like.

Ya know what? I don't live there.

The laws don't affect me.

As such, I don't comment on the internal politics of other nations unless it has a direct, material effect on the United States.

Our Constitution has no material effect on Canada or the UK. (Miss Z, this isn't aimed at you in any way, shape or form). It's our peculiar document.

Leave its workings to the people it effects.

That was about the nicest SHUT UP I've ever heard. I for one appreciate views from "outsiders" on any subject. We are too close to the problem to see all
facets of this issue. It helps to get a view from anyone who can view this from another perspective.

**Catty1** · 12-18-2012, 10:01 AM

NRA goes unusually silent after Connecticut school shooting

The Associated Press
Published Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012 7:18AM EST
Last Updated Tuesday, Dec. 18, 2012 8:16AM EST
WASHINGTON -- Where is the NRA?
The largest U.S. gun-rights organization -- typically outspoken, even after shooting deaths -- has gone all but silent since last week's rampage at a Connecticut school left 26 people dead, including 20 children.
The National Rifle Association's Facebook page has disappeared. The NRA has posted no tweets. It makes no mention of the shooting on its website. None of its leaders hit the media circuit Sunday to promote its support of the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment right to bear arms as the nation mourns the latest mass shooting victims and opens a new debate over gun restrictions. On Monday, the NRA offered no rebuttal as 300 anti-gun protesters marched to its Capitol Hill office.

Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/nra-goes...#ixzz2FQ5wojsM

**Catty1** · 12-18-2012, 10:36 AM

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mi...ichael-moore-2

I am truly beside myself this time. I tried to ring a warning bell about this a decade ago. The disease has only gotten worse.

But...you feel something different in the air across America tonight, don't you? People have had it and the outrage is loud and visible. I'm convinced the majority of Americans will now back strong gun control laws. And a better mental health care system. And perhaps a few are willing to look at the deeper issue of how this country officially sanctions violence as a means to an end.

The NRA, for the first time ever, has gone silent. They've taken their Facebook page down. They know they can't show up in Newtown next week and stick it to the people there, like they usually do after one of these mass killings. Let's face it, the gun lobby tonight is on the ropes. Now is the time to act. We can't let this sad moment pass without a true response and a president willing to be a strong leader.

I'll send some more thoughts tomorrow, but for now I thought I'd share with you what I've been sending out over Twitter this weekend. (If you're not on Twitter, please consider it. I know – not one more social media stop, please! But I've found it to be a quick and easy way to communicate with millions. Please give it a try. I send things out on it every day and I'd like you not to miss them.)

Here's my Twitter feed since the shootings on Friday:

**Bonny** · 12-18-2012, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by Catty1

NRA goes unusually silent after Connecticut school shooting

Blue's article 375# has something in there an article by John Fund NRO National Rifle Organization? Not sure if affiliated with NRA or they are the same or NRO is a misprint?

**Lady's Human** · 12-18-2012, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by Bonny

Blue's article 375# has something in there an article by John Fund NRO National Rifle Organization? Not sure if affiliated with NRA or they are the same or NRO is a misprint?

The article is from NRO, National Review Online.

**Catty1** · 12-18-2012, 11:09 AM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...224794006.html

By ISABELLA STEGER Private-equity firm Cerberus Capital Management LP is seeking to sell the company that makes a gun used in last week's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

Some time on Monday, Walmart.com removed a listing for the Bushmaster Patrolman's Carbine M4A3 Rifle; the move was first reported by the Nation magazine.

A Wal-Mart spokesman said the gun was never available for purchase online, only at some of the retailer's stores, but wouldn't comment on why the chain removed the website listing, which included customer reviews.
The rifle was still available Monday for purchase in Wal-Mart stores, including a supercenter in San Marcos, Texas, according to a clerk there.

Story with different details here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/priva...ting-1.1083513

Yet people are rushing out to buy guns.

**RICHARD** · 12-18-2012, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Catty1

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...224794006.html

Story with different details here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/business/priva...ting-1.1083513

Yet people are rushing out to buy guns.

Why?

Because like the media, the soul-less lawyers are circling under the surface ready to file any lawsuits.

I looked at my roomie and told her, "I can hardly wait for the lawsuits to start."

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I can bet a million dollars that the school district will get sued for having a window so close to a locked door.
And moron could see that a window, next to a door that allows access via and electric lock and CCTV setup, really isn't 'safe'.

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Why did is the NRA silent?

MY guess is if they had put out any kind of media statement, people would be fanned into self immolation.

Instead of having a calm discussion about gun ownership, people rush to judgement about people who own or like guns.

We are all tossed into the same box as some moron that shoots up a school/theater/mall.

I do like my guns, not to the point where I am going to have them pried from my cold dead fingers...

Where people find cigars and wine to be things to be appreciated?

Talk about mouth cancer and driving into a car of people after a few bottles of Merlot.

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The people that are using this incident for airtime should be ashamed of themselves.....

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, Nancy Pelosi wants 'assault magazines' to be outlawed. My mom used to beat my arse with a rolled up monthly.

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I guess people really don't understand that any gun used against another person is an 'assault weapon'.

People get lost in the wordage and definitions.

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Jesus wept.

**RICHARD** · 12-18-2012, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

I'm going to get flamed for saying this, but I've hit the point of not caring one whit.

There are many, many things about Canadian law, the laws of the Euro zone, and other places that frankly I don't like.

Ya know what? I don't live there.

The laws don't affect me.

As such, I don't comment on the internal politics of other nations unless it has a direct, material effect on the United States.

Our Constitution has no material effect on Canada or the UK. (Miss Z, this isn't aimed at you in any way, shape or form). It's our peculiar document.

Leave its workings to the people it effects.

We did steal the music to "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" from the brits.......So, they may have a point?

**cassiesmom** · 12-18-2012, 02:01 PM

I read in the paper that school has resumed and the kids are being driven to a vacant school in a nearby town. It didn't say how long they would continue to use that building but I think it's good that they were able to get it ready quickly.

And sadly, that the first few funerals for the children have been scheduled. The local funeral home is going to be very busy between now and Christmas.

**Catty1** · 12-18-2012, 04:26 PM

N.R.A. STATEMENT:

The National Rifle Association of America is made up of four million moms and dads, sons and daughters – and we were shocked, saddened and heartbroken by the news of the horrific and senseless murders in Newtown.
Out of respect for the families, and as a matter of common decency, we have given time for mourning, prayer and a full investigation of the facts before commenting.
The N.R.A. is prepared to offer meaningful contributions to help make sure this never happens again.
The N.R.A. is planning to hold a major news conference in the Washington, D.C., area on Friday, December 21.
Details will be released to the media at the appropriate time.
www.nra.org

**Karen** · 12-18-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

We did steal the music to "My Country, 'Tis of Thee" from the brits.......So, they may have a point?

It's not like that's our national anthem, and besides, that tune existed long before our country did, and t is in good musical tradition to borrow old tunes for new uses. The author of the tune is unknown, and it may originate in plainchant, but a 1619 attribution to John Bull is sometimes made. So no one is even sure who write the tune!

**Miss Z** · 12-19-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Lady's Human

As such, I don't comment on the internal politics of other nations unless it has a direct, material effect on the United States.

Our Constitution has no material effect on Canada or the UK. (Miss Z, this isn't aimed at you in any way, shape or form). It's our peculiar document.

Leave its workings to the people it effects.

No worries, LH, and point well received. However, seeing as the decisions the USA makes usually affects the rest of the world in some shape or form, may I indulge you that our interests in you are probably more significant than your interests in us.

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As for the music, you're welcome to 'My country, 'tis of thee' ... could you also please claim One Direction as your own whilst you're at it?