Gun control discussion

[chocolatepuppy]

I once was listening to a guy talk about a shotgun for home protection.

I had this vision of shooting one inside of a house and just how much damage it would do.

That's not really protecting your home?

My home? My home is insured and is a material thing. My furkids and myself are living beings. Do I want to die and have them die at a scumbag criminals hand in my own home? NO! If it comes down to me or a criminal, I prefer this criminal die than us! Actually, I prefer one shot and the criminal run, but whatever it takes.

[lizbud]

"Richard" is brimming with specious reasoning.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Agreed. When confronted with obvious truth about the gun culture in the good old USA, just change the subject.


ps. Thanks for sharing the article.

[lizbud]

Banning ALL guns will likely never happen in the USA. Banning the sale of all automatic, semi auto guns could happen.
What earthly reason could anyone have for owning a weapon whose purpose is to kill as many people/animals as possible
in the shortest amount of time? There was, for a short time, a ban on these kinds of guns & it was allowed to expire. Why?

[jackie]

Banning ALL guns will likely never happen in the USA. Banning the sale of all automatic, semi auto guns could happen.
What earthly reason could anyone have for owning a weapon whose purpose is to kill as many people/animals as possible
in the shortest amount of time? There was, for a short time, a ban on these kinds of guns & it was allowed to expire. Why?

I agree one hundred percent.

Someone will pop back up and restate that the Newtown killer used handguns, not semi automatics, but I think the American right to bear arms is outdated.

"guns don't kill people, people kill people". That may be true, but they sure make it easy to kill many people in a short amount of time.

Even if they banned the sale of all guns now, there are so many in circulation, it probably wouldn't make a dent.

[RICHARD]

Guns do not kill people, bullet do, unless you are pistol shipped to death?

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I can go to Dick's sporting goods, buy a semi automatic rifle, come home, go on the web and within a few days, have the parts to convert it to an full rock and roll gun.

I just typed in a phrase on the websearcher thing and came back with 525,000 hits for ways to fix my gun to shoot like an MG.

I could also buy 15-30 round mags or a kit to convert a gun to use those mags.

The conversion kits are legal.


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So,
We limit large mags and assault rifles.

You get an idiot that will show up with a 9mm pistol, that shoots 13 rounds, he pulls out another 13 shooter, then pull out a ANOTHER pistol - even a small .32 cal gun has 8 rounds.

That's 32 rounds w/o having to reload.

So while I am trying to become one with the tile floor, he's going to have time to reload at least one gun, shoot another 13 rounds.

There's 45 shots, not counting the rifle he may have been carrying and depending on how many shots that gun is capable of?

An idiot with the drive, hatred and means, can carry a small lethal arsenal.

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Who was the joker that shot up the island overseas?

Or did we forget that incident.

[Lady's Human]

Actually, Richard, anyone selling parts to convert a semi-auto to FA to unlicensed people is breaking a few federal laws.

In addition, to meet Federal requirements for sale, a semi atuo is supposed to require more than 8 hours of work by a competent (read: Skilled) gunsmith to convert to full auto, and no competent gunsmith is going to touch any work of the sort.

[Lady's Human]

A person in a small town in Connecticut has a Glock, a Sig-Sauer, and an AR-15 type rifle. This is heavy duty stuff. Jack Reacher would not have such an arsenal. But we still have the right to have them on our dressers, don't we? More likely to shoot a family member or companion animal in any case.

Heavy duty stuff? Really?

Please, that's not even serious target shooter levels of stuff.

Nowhere near avid collector stuff.

Media, media, media.......

You're living proof of how easy it is to sensationalize and "put the skeer" in people.

[catlady1945]

Heavy duty stuff? Really?

Please, that's not even serious target shooter levels of stuff.

Nowhere near avid collector stuff.

Media, media, media.......

You're living proof of how easy it is to sensationalize and "put the skeer" in people.

I REALLY hope these are facetious comments, otherwise there is just no hope.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I REALLY hope these are facetious comments, otherwise there is just no hope.

This is just someone who really really loves his guns trying to put the "skeer" in you while he sneers at you.

I fear there is no hope. We, as a nation, will just allow the insanity to go on. Too, too many people are more in love with guns than they are with their neighbor.

[Karen]

This is just someone who really really loves his guns trying to put the "skeer" in you while he sneers at you.

I fear there is no hope. We, as a nation, will just allow the insanity to go on. Too, too many people are more in love with guns than they are with their neighbor.

You are wrong. His point was those guns were not as "dangerous" in terms of what serious gun collectors handle as the media has made them appear. And gun can be deadly. I have handled far more "deadly" guns than those myself.

I know plenty of gun owners who still have plenty of love for their neighbors, and respect for them. And who would, if it came down to it, be as willing to defend their neighbor or a stranger as themselves if the situation called for it.

Gun ownership has nothing to do with one's love of his or her neighbor, or one's desire to make the world a better place for his or her children.

[Lady's Human]

I REALLY hope these are facetious comments, otherwise there is just no hope.

They aren't facetious at all.

I have a strange feeling that your definition of hope and mine are two radically different things. There is always hope. However, hope is not a method, and you cannot legislate evil out of existence.

[Edwina's Secretary]

You are wrong. His point was those guns were not as "dangerous" in terms of what serious gun collectors handle as the media has made them appear. And gun can be deadly. I have handled far more "deadly" guns than those myself.

I know plenty of gun owners who still have plenty of love for their neighbors, and respect for them. And who would, if it came down to it, be as willing to defend their neighbor or a stranger as themselves if the situation called for it.

Gun ownership has nothing to do with one's love of his or her neighbor, or one's desire to make the world a better place for his or her children.

You are entitled to your opinion Karen. I am entitled to mine. I don't want to live next door or even down the street from someone who has guns. (Yes, I suppose I do. But not that I know of.)

Would those gun owners give up their guns if it could bring back those 20 children? Of course they will say..."it won't bring them back so what is the point?" I still ask - would they give up their guns if it would bring back those children?

And why does it take three guns - or 17 guns as I posted about earlier to make a house safe. What kind of attack are they repelling and how does someone shot three guns at a time?

But logic is never the point is it?

[Lady's Human]

But logic is never the point is it?

No, logic isn't the point of this discussion in any way, shape or form.

Otherwise people wouldn't be so scared of inanimate objects, would have far more fear of evil, and would rarely drive, as you are logically far, far more prone to die while driving than being shot.

[Lady's Human]

In addition,

I don't "love" guns or any other inanimate object.

I love my family, both fuzzbutts and humans, and God.

I see firearms as useful tools and a hobby, and this discussion as further evidence of the erosion of the rights of a free society.

[RICHARD]

Actually, Richard, anyone selling parts to convert a semi-auto to FA to unlicensed people is breaking a few federal laws.

In addition, to meet Federal requirements for sale, a semi atuo is supposed to require more than 8 hours of work by a competent (read: Skilled) gunsmith to convert to full auto, and no competent gunsmith is going to touch any work of the sort.

Thanks for the clarification.

I grew up in the barrio, where full auto meant two things, A machine gun or a station wagon filled with my people.
I was offered full auto guns, to purchase, a few times.

No one offered receipts, asked questions or asked for ID.

So, I am a little stupid when it comes to stuff like that?



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Another miracle of 'mexican know how' was a zip gun.


You could take a car antenna, rubber bands and a little time to make a very lethal .22 caliber one-shot, gun.

Lethal because the bullet tumbles right after it's shot, just like an AR.

I also saw a machined ZG, made from billet steel, that was absolutely a work of art.