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  1. #496
    I am not really sure what there is to discuss. Folks who want guns get them. Those who do not, do not. Right , wrong, legal or illegal. People have the free will to get what they want. As far as the law goes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pomtzu View Post
    But I sure as heck wouldn't keep my gun on the dresser like you do. If I had one it would be on the nightstand - it's much closer than the dresser and I wouldn't even have to get out of bed!
    All depends on how your furniture is set up ... At the old house, my dresser was right next to the bed (old New England house, second floor room with sloping ceilings ...) and it was where my glasses rested at night - close enough so I could reach them without any effort!
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    ..France counts 1,193 cars torched on New Year's Eve

    Associated Press – 54 mins ago.

    PARIS (AP) — Hundreds of empty, parked cars go up in flames in France each New Year's Eve, set afire by young revelers, a much lamented tradition that remained intact this year with 1,193 vehicles burned, Interior Minister Manuel Valls said Tuesday.

    His announcement was the first time in three years that such figures have been released. The conservative government of former President Nicolas Sarkozy had decided to stop publishing them in a bid to reduce the crime — and not play into the hands of car-torching youths who try to outdo each other.

    France's current Socialist government decided otherwise, deeming total transparency the best method, and the rate of burned cars apparently remained steady. On Dec. 31, 2009, the last public figure available, 1,147 vehicles were burned.

    Like many countries, France sees cars set on fire during the year for many reasons, including gangs hiding clues of their crimes and people making false insurance claims.

    But car-torching took a new step in France when it became a way to mark the arrival of the New Year. The practice reportedly began in earnest among youths — often in poor neighborhoods — in the 1990s in the region around Strasbourg in eastern France.

    It also became a voice of protest during the fiery unrest by despairing youths from housing projects that swept France in the fall of 2005. At the time, police counted 8,810 vehicles burned in less than three weeks.

    Yet even then, cars were not burned in big cities like Paris, and that remained the case this New Year's Eve. Minister Valls said the Paris suburban region of Seine-Saint-Denis, where the 2005 unrest started, led the nation for torched cars, followed by two eastern regions around Strasbourg.

    For some, the decision to tell the public how many cars have been burned on New Year's Eve is a mistake.

    Bruno Beschizza, the national secretary for security matters in Sarkozy's UMP party, said on iTele TV that publishing the numbers motivates youths to commit such crimes. "We know that neighborhoods compete," he said. Gang rivalries center on who can torch the most cars, with claims made on social networks like Facebook and Twitter, he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    All depends on how your furniture is set up ... At the old house, my dresser was right next to the bed (old New England house, second floor room with sloping ceilings ...) and it was where my glasses rested at night - close enough so I could reach them without any effort!
    What I said was meant only as a "tongue-in-cheek" statement. I figured we needed something to lighten the mood of this thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phesina View Post
    How come, say for instance Canada, England, Germany, Denmark, countries with strong gun-control laws, are not tyrannical dictatorships?

    And why are these countries not overrun with gun violence, gun crimes, gun deaths? After all, the bad guys can always get guns, but the good guys can't. How come bad guys aren't going around shooting up schools, theaters, malls, churches all the time in those places?

    Switzerland isn't "overrun" by gun violence either, though they require people to have firearms.
    Statistically, gun violence is no worse now than it ever has been, and in reality the statistics have dropped. What's different is the fact that blood sells advertisement, and certain organizations have agendas to push.

    While we're tossing around other countries' statistics, how about we get police in the US the same density as they have in European countries, and give them the same powers they have in Europe? Napoleanic law is far, far different from English common law and the US constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post

    It's pretty insulting to be thought of as a 'wannabe Rambo' because I like to shoot a gun or want to own one.

    Said nothing about indivdual gun owners .Said something about the"Rambos" who delude themselves into believing that arming themselves
    will somehow protect us all from tyranical goverment excesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pomtzu View Post
    But I sure as heck wouldn't keep my gun on the dresser like you do. If I had one it would be on the nightstand - it's much closer than the dresser and I wouldn't even have to get out of bed!
    Ok Ellie! It's only three steps to my dresser. I can grab my gun and switch the safety off in the dark.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by sparks19 View Post
    Look at how we talk to and about people. Look at how we TREAT people. We wonder why people lose it and want to take everyone out. No wonder kids think there is nothing wrong with torturing students they don't like, look at how the adults behave.
    I certainly agree with you Sparky. Seeing how some people on this thread behave and 'speak" to others...I can see why they feel they need guns!

  9. #504
    Since we are all having such an advanced, intelligent conversation on gun control. Well, I have 3 guns. One I keep in my underwear drawer simply for kicks. The other one I use to shoot at the mailman if he does not deliver the mail on time, the third one is a rifle that I keep locked and loaded. Just in case I feel freaked out or threatened and wanna blow someones brains out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    I certainly agree with you Sparky. Seeing how some people on this thread behave and 'speak" to others...I can see why they feel they need guns!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Hear this all the time & wonder if people really believe what they are saying.A USA military could take down whole other Nations within days will be held in check by a group
    of wannabe Rambos with their trusty "firearms". It's laughable. Evidently, repeating this phrase in every discussion about gun control, somehow makes them feel invincible.
    The Viet Cong wore us down even though the USA had the superior fighting force. The Afghans wore down the Soviets, even though the Soviets had the superior fighting force.

    What you arent taking into account is the ordinary armed citizen in the USA who arent the "Rambo" type. Rambo did not exist during the Revolutionary War, ordinary citizens did. The writers of the Second Amendment were ordinary citizens and they toppled the British control of the Americas.

    An individual, as you term "Rambo" would do nothing against a tyrannical government, but as a group armed citizens can keep government in check if the will and means is there. You seem to want to take the means away.

    Back in the 80s a Russian warship docked in Anchorage, a local was able to ask the captain how the Soviet Union would do in a land invasion of the USA. The captain wasnt concerned about the US military but as to how well armed the citizens are.

    Quote Originally Posted by phesina View Post
    How come, say for instance Canada, England, Germany, Denmark, countries with strong gun-control laws, are not tyrannical dictatorships?

    And why are these countries not overrun with gun violence, gun crimes, gun deaths? After all, the bad guys can always get guns, but the good guys can't. How come bad guys aren't going around shooting up schools, theaters, malls, churches all the time in those places?
    None of the countries you listed are Democratic Republics, so you are comparing apples to oranges. I would call all of the countries you named as overbearing governments with very little interest in privacy, England is a prime example of lack of individual privacy.

    I think Ladys Human covered Switzerland,

    Quote Originally Posted by Randi View Post
    Yes Liz, all these wannabe Rambo types really are laughable, but also frightening - you never know when something ticks them off and they go beserk. It has happened again and again and will propbably continue.
    The Rambo wannabe's arent the ones shooting up the "Gun Free Zones". Its the criminals, the unhinged, and the suicidal's. Like you point out below they dont need a fire arm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Randi View Post
    In Denmark, ordinary citizens are not allowed to have guns. Some morons do go around with knives, though, but this was not common just a few decades ago. A law was implemented a few years ago... you're not allowed to go around in public with knives longer than 7 cm. See below:

    "In public places, colleges, youth clubs, leisure facilities and the like, it is prohibited to carry a knife or dagger, except as part of a profession, for hunting, fishing or sport or another similar creditable purpose. The ban does not include folding knives with blades of more than 7 cm, which can not be locked in the unfolded position. "
    So banning firearms does not keep someone intending to kill from killing. A man in China recently tried to kill a number of children with his car.

    Final thought, where have the most recent, the last 20 years, mass shootings taken pace in the USA?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Said nothing about individual gun owners .Said something about the"Rambos" who delude themselves into believing that arming themselves
    will somehow protect us all from tyrannical government excesses.
    When I mention being armed, Im not talking about the individual. The Second Amendment is not that simple.
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  13. #508
    A tank in urban territory is extremely vulnerable.

    An F-16 is useless when your own civilians are around.

    Modern arms and tactics are essentially useless when the enemy is among your own citizens. Any serious, well planned uprising would render most of the military useless. There are literally thousands of nasty ways to render modern weapons moot. Just ask the Afghans, the VC, the fuzzies, the Basques, the IRA, and any number of ultimately successful insurgent groups.

    If it's so useless, why does the US have a large military unit specifically tasked with supporting, training, and helping insurgents? Ask the governments in the Horn of Africa how useful modern weapons are against an internal uprising.......
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    Very, and I mean very, few of the US military will disarm the USA populace by force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Very, and I mean very, few of the US military will disarm the USA populace by force.
    I'd give the general response to an order like that, but this is a family board.
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