Gun control discussion

[Edwina's Secretary]

I'm not afraid of people.

I have firearms for the same reason I have a chainsaw, a tiller, a generator, an axe (or 3) and many other tools. Situational preparation. It's not fear, it's logic.

So let's see. It's logic. Trees need trimming....the garden needs tilling...power sometimes goes out....people need shooting?

Sorry...as Spock would say..."Captain...that is not logical!"

[blue]

Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?

Like a Gold Star or a Pink Triangle?

An interview on the radio this morning with the director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

An unbiased group if there ever where one.

My point was about laws regarding WHERE you can smoke.

You can make me smoke outside, why wouldnt I leave my fire arm locked in my car if you didnt want it in your house?

Have you ever lived where nature can enter your yard? Coyotes, moose, or bears? Wolves maybe?

If I remember right you have visited AK. Would you visit again knowing any resident could be carrying a concealed firearm without a license?

You are also aware that full auto firearms are still legal in California?

So let's see. It's logic. Trees need trimming....the garden needs tilling...power sometimes goes out....people need shooting?

Sorry...as Spock would say..."Captain...that is not logical!"

Spock has shot people, and aliens, with a phazor and killed them, so sometimes its logical.

[Lady's Human]

So let's see. It's logic. Trees need trimming....the garden needs tilling...power sometimes goes out....people need shooting?

Sorry...as Spock would say..."Captain...that is not logical!"

It's completely logical when the sheriff is 1/2 hour away, or when animal control's reaction to a report of a dangerous animal in the area is "You've got a rifle, don't you?".

And yes, sometimes people need shooting.

[cassiesmom]

Perhaps require people with concealed weapons to wear a special patch?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it was the NRA executive vice-president who spoke about starting a national registry of people with mental illnesses. Would that include anybody who has ever taken an antidepressant or an anti-anxiety med? Heck, I've been a citizen of the Prozac Nation- do I need a special patch? H'll probably want a national registry of introverts next. We're quiet, thoughtful and some people consider us a little odd. All characteristics of the perpetrators of these tragic shootings. Maybe I need a patch for that too.

Seriously ... yes, there are things in my life that I regret, and things I would love to do over. But I'm not about to go out and start shooting people. I am trying to do a better job at not dwelling so much on past things, but to use it as a way to live differently in the future. I'm grateful for encouragement (and the occasional, virtual smack on the back of the head) from my PT Friends!

[cassiesmom]

WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) — The police chief in Webster, N.Y., says that four firefighters were shot while responding to a blaze in the town near Rochester and that two are dead.

Chief Gerald Pickering says "one or more shooters" fired at the firefighters Monday morning. Officials say they had arrived at the scene of the blaze near the Lake Ontario shore around 6 a.m.

Officials say a fire started in one home and spread to two others and a car.

How sad. Firefighters were shot while doing their job.

[lizbud]

How sad. Firefighters were shot while doing their job.

What will the NRA suggest for firefighters now? Machine guns atop every fire engine? Tanks & other armored vehicles
proceed every fire run?

[chocolatepuppy]

It's completely logical when the sheriff is 1/2 hour away, or when animal control's reaction to a report of a dangerous animal in the area is "You've got a rifle, don't you?".

And yes, sometimes people need shooting.

Wow LH, it sounds like you live in my neighborhood. And over the years how many times has a law officer told someone, "if you shoot someone, drag them in the house"

Sometimes, you have to be the one to save yourself.

[Edwina's Secretary]

It's completely logical when the sheriff is 1/2 hour away, or when animal control's reaction to a report of a dangerous animal in the area is "You've got a rifle, don't you?".

And yes, sometimes people need shooting.

Sorry. I grew up in the country where we could not see the closest neighbor. I lived in the city of Chicago for over 20 years. Lived in Guadalajara for two years.

Never, not once, not one single time, was I so afraid that I felt the need to be ready to kill someone.

Logic has nothing to do with it.

[pomtzu]

Sorry. I grew up in the country where we could not see the closest neighbor. I lived in the city of Chicago for over 20 years. Lived in Guadalajara for two years.

Never, not once, not one single time, was I so afraid that I felt the need to be ready to kill someone.

Logic has nothing to do with it.

But have you ever been home - alone or otherwise - when someone was trying to break into your house?

I'm not for or against a gun for personal protection and I don't personally own one. And since I indeed was home when someone was trying to break in, and I live in a rural area with only the state police at our disposal and figuring about an hour to get here once called, then I would have been on the pro-gun side at that time. Fortunately, the rest of the family was home and my son took care of the situation without any weapon or assault, and it got reported to the state police. If I lived alone 24/7, then I probably would take steps to assure that I was as safe as possible, and if it included owning a gun (after gun safety and operating courses), then I most likely would. I don't "like" them, but I have a healthy respect for them - taught to me by my ex who was in law enforcement for the majority of his working days, and was a Marine and weapons instructor at The Basic School in Quantico, VA in his military days.

[mon]

There is no right or wrong on this subject in my opinion. I do believe that violence of any kind is wrong.

[Lady's Human]

Sorry. I grew up in the country where we could not see the closest neighbor. I lived in the city of Chicago for over 20 years. Lived in Guadalajara for two years.

Never, not once, not one single time, was I so afraid that I felt the need to be ready to kill someone.

Logic has nothing to do with it.

There's a complete disconnect, and you will never understand an opposing point of view as long as you deride the very basic viewpoint of being prepared as fear.

I assure you it's been a very, very long time since I've feared another human.

To illustrate it in another way, some people carry a AAA card, others carry tools, a couple of critical spares, and make sure they do a maintenance check on their vehicles before leaving on a trip. Guess which option I take?

[Edwina's Secretary]

But have you ever been home - alone or otherwise - when someone was trying to break into your house?

I'm not for or against a gun for personal protection and I don't personally own one. And since I indeed was home when someone was trying to break in, and I live in a rural area with only the state police at our disposal and figuring about an hour to get here once called, then I would have been on the pro-gun side at that time. Fortunately, the rest of the family was home and my son took care of the situation without any weapon or assault, and it got reported to the state police. If I lived alone 24/7, then I probably would take steps to assure that I was as safe as possible, and if it included owning a gun (after gun safety and operating courses), then I most likely would. I don't "like" them, but I have a healthy respect for them - taught to me by my ex who was in law enforcement for the majority of his working days, and was a Marine and weapons instructor at The Basic School in Quantico, VA in his military days.

Well...let's see. My apartment was burglarized...the police think while I slept. I lived alone - single female for over 20 years. Car was stolen. Oh! And I was mugged outside the Walgreen's. Still...never felt the need for the "option" that enabled me to kill.

Make no mistake. That is what a gun is. The option to kill. The means to kill. A "tool" that has no purpose except to kill.

I check my oil...I prepare my vehicle...I do all that stuff. But prepare to kill?? No thanks.

LH - you claim

I have a complete disconnect because I deride the very basic viewpoint of being prepared as fear

(even though you are the one who introduced fear to the discussion...) What will it take to help you see the "other side?" You know...to connect to the light?

Oddly enough...I remember this commandment..."thou shall not kill..." and I don't remember any qualifiers! (Such as...unless you fear people wearing hooded sweatershirts in the rain....or unless the other people have their music too loudd...or unless...) But then...perhaps the rules have changed since my education????

[Lady's Human]

The commandment "thou shall not kill" is a mistranslation. That original text translates to something along the lines of don't kill innocents.

Were the commandment as you stated accurately translated into the KJV (which it wasn't) no follower of Joshua could have been following Mosiac law. Being that they were following orders from the man upstairs, however........

Nice try, I'll give you an 8 for effort, regardless of the over simplification of the argument.

As to seeing the other side of the argument, I see it, but reject the logic behind it. Relying on someone else to take care of issues just isn't something I'm inclined to do, particularly when the clean up crew is 1/2 hour away.

Congratulations on the record of being a victim, not sure how it's material ot this discussion, but it does clearly show you as someone who's more prone to relying on others for your security. After the first incident I'd have done something to prevent the others, but you're obviously of a different mindset.

[pomtzu]

I don't believe that because you own a gun for protection, that it means you have it to shoot to kill. Shoot to disable would work just fine in most cases. And if I did have a gun, I certainly would NOT have a permit to carry one with me - it would only be for my protection in my own home. But since I will never be in a position where I live alone, then this is all just "ifs" in my case. I have no problem with people who choose to have a hand gun in their home for their personal safety - it's the morons who collect many different guns and assault rifles and end up killing senselessly and viciously because something in their head goes screwy.

JMHO - be it right or wrong.............

[RICHARD]

I don't believe that because you own a gun for protection, that it means you have it to shoot to kill. Shoot to disable would work just fine in most cases. And if I did have a gun, I certainly would NOT have a permit to carry one with me - it would only be for my protection in my own home. But since I will never be in a position where I live alone, then this is all just "ifs" in my case. I have no problem with people who choose to have a hand gun in their home for their personal safety - it's the morons who collect many different guns and assault rifles and end up killing senselessly and viciously because something in their head goes screwy.

JMHO - be it right or wrong.............

And we get back to the age-old question about what exactly are the clues to someone going screwy??

The last moron - and just how the eff does a convicted murderer get a gun - shoots up a group of first responders, AFTER killing his sister and after killing his G-ma with a hatchet?

If we had a little rule about an "Eye for an eye" and had put this AH to death when presented with the chance?

We probably would not be having this conversation.

Also, why does the media find the need to hammer home the brand of a weapon?

In the years when the 'drive-by' shooting was in vogue, the media reported that the gangs were using "AK-47s" then cut to the film of the police emptying the car of bad guys and guns.

The guns were little .22 cal Rugers or shotguns....The medias obsession with putting an name/marque to a gun is 'funny' and just prods the next nut to fall from the trees.


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Another problem we have is not wanting to betray a loved one, neighbor or friend because of their odd behavior. And how many times has odd behavior turned into mass murder?

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Here in town, one of the elected officials is due to see the judge for his third DUI offense in four years.

He hasn't killed anyone, yet, but why do we take the chance and not make it tougher to drive AFTER your first offense?

And why doesn't the media make light of the kinds of cars these fools drive?

I would like to know, that way I could give them a wide berth when I am on the road..........