Gun control discussion

[Edwina's Secretary]

It's not like that's our national anthem, and besides, that tune existed long before our country did, and t is in good musical tradition to borrow old tunes for new uses. The author of the tune is unknown, and it may originate in plainchant, but a 1619 attribution to John Bull is sometimes made. So no one is even sure who write the tune!

The Star-Spangled Banner is set to the tune of a popular British song written by John Stafford Smith for the Anacreontic Society, a men's social club in London.

So despite the xenophobics/chauvinists - Fortress America has borrowed freely and interacted frequently!

[Lady's Human]

The Star-Spangled Banner is set to the tune of a popular British song written by John Stafford Smith for the Anacreontic Society, a men's social club in London.

So despite the xenophobics/chauvinists - Fortress America has borrowed freely and interacted frequently!

And exactly who is a xenophobe or a chauvinist?

[Asiel]

I've been following these threads since the first one and I find something so wrong with this whole picture.
What in h*ll is wrong with everyone? Fighting about gun control and it just gets more and more insulting and vicious at times. Who gives a shiat about gun control right now...for one thing gun control won't change anything...it's the idiot or sicko behind the gun and not the gun that kills.

Is everyone forgetting that 20 babies were killed and 8 adults? Why is no one even mentioning this sad fact and discussing this instead of gun control--right now the only thing I can think of are those poor little innocent kids , babies in my opinion, it brings tears to my eyes each time I hear more about it on the news.

The kid had Asperger's and the mom had ms...why did she have guns in the house in the first place is the only thing I can think of.She was home schooling him, did she ignore the signs...did he shoot his own mother to save her from her cruel disease? I would be more interested in knowing the cause and never mind gun control...any person wanting to kill can get a gun whether they are banned or not.

[Asiel]

Sparks-- I wanted to thank you for the lovely post, it made me feel so much better to read something so beautiful...

And momoffuzzyfaces I totally agree with you--this was my first thought also to prevent this from happening again.

[Karen]

Asiel, don't believe everything you hear in the media, last I knew it was just anecdotal reports that the kid has Aspergers, and I did not see anywhere mentioned that the mother had MS. Some reports say "autistic," others say "Aspergers" but none of it was confirmed or diagnosed, just different people's opinions. This thread is just for the gun control side of things, there is another thread "the I am Adam Lanza's Mother" thread that touches more on the mental health side.

[cassiesmom]

Charlotte Allen, what rock did you just crawl out from under? Are you flippin' kidding me?! *banging head on table* She contends in the National Review that the Newtown shooting could have been prevented if adult men had been present. If there had been any adult men there, what do you think we would have now, Ms. Allen? Dead adult men.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...nro-symposium#

[pomtzu]

Charlotte Allen, what rock did you just crawl out from under? Are you flippin' kidding me?! *banging head on table* She contends in the National Review that the Newtown shooting could have been prevented if adult men had been present. If there had been any adult men there, what do you think we would have now, Ms. Allen? Dead adult men.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...nro-symposium#

What a freakin idiot! Maybe we missed the memo that stated that men are bulletproof. I'll have to remember to grab a man and put him between me and someone that might be shooting at me.

[Catty1]

U.S. gun laws show difficulty of stemming violent acts




Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-gun-...#ixzz2Fc0T5VhQ


One of the commenters raises a point about restricting the ammo available for sale. I agree with that, especially if guns purchased before a certain date can be kept.

Another commenter rants that Obama should work with the NRA. The NRA has stated willingness to help, and has yet to make their official public statement at a press conference tomorrow. I think this commenter needs to re-read a few news stories.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Charlotte Allen, what rock did you just crawl out from under? Are you flippin' kidding me?! *banging head on table* She contends in the National Review that the Newtown shooting could have been prevented if adult men had been present. If there had been any adult men there, what do you think we would have now, Ms. Allen? Dead adult men.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...nro-symposium#

Apparently Ms. Allen is under the impression men can stop bullets with their.....??

Actually - there were at least two men in the school at the time. The head maintenance man and a male teacher.

Opps!

[blue]

U.S. gun laws show difficulty of stemming violent acts




Read more: http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/u-s-gun-...#ixzz2Fc0T5VhQ


One of the commenter's raises a point about restricting the ammo available for sale. I agree with that, especially if guns purchased before a certain date can be kept.

Ban certain types of ammo, more people will start reloading their own. If you ban the ammo my firearms shoot, I would start reloading my own.

[Lady's Human]

If you ban ammo sales you better follow that by banning sales of lead and lead alloys, smelting pots, swagers, molds, ad nauseum.

And regardless of how much you ban, ammunition will still be produced by private parties.

[RICHARD]

Wordage makes me laugh.

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I love it when people on one side of an arguement gets blindsided by key phrases.

You have the anti gun yo-yos who think that a ban of 'assault style weapons' will cut down on murders.

You then have the NRA yo-yos that will go with the ban and get around it by changing the look of an ASW.

I believe assault rifle is just as deadly as a cheap arse .32. You may not be able to shoot one million bullets with one trigger pull, but what is the difference?

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Ban ASWs, large capacity mags and what happens next?

Someone shows up with a bigger bag of guns...

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Sheeple will go along with a ban on LCMs and that will be fine and dandy.

When I see the guy walk into the store/shop/theater with a rifle, I know things are going to get ugly - quickly. But I know that he has a low capacity magazine, so I have a chance to run.

But, what about the idiot with the messenger bag with a couple of pistols, extra mags and the idea that he's going to shoot up the place?

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Whatever band-aid fixes there are to the gun buying laws, there still be some kid shooting his brother in mom and dad's bedroom, an innocent by-stander killed in a drive by or a cop gunned down at a traffic stop.

It's not the guns, its the people handling them.

[Edwina's Secretary]

So there you have it. Nothing will work shout the naysayers! So we should do....nothing.

Until of course, the next mass execution of innocents.

At which time we will again nash our teeth and moan and complain.

And do nothing. Because the naysayers say nothing will work.

How sad. I thought we are a nation that is creative and innovative and "get it done?"

Nope. We will continue to curse the darkness instead of lighting a candle.

[Asiel]

Asiel, don't believe everything you hear in the media, last I knew it was just anecdotal reports that the kid has Aspergers, and I did not see anywhere mentioned that the mother had MS. Some reports say "autistic," others say "Aspergers" but none of it was confirmed or diagnosed, just different people's opinions. This thread is just for the gun control side of things, there is another thread "the I am Adam Lanza's Mother" thread that touches more on the mental health side.

Karen I wasn't going by the media-- I know how they can exagerate stuff. The Asperger's has been diagnosed , and it's another form of autism, very different as matter of fact. All degrees of it. And yes, the mother did have ms...that was also confirmed and not in the media. Yes I did follow the media but it was mostly because of the kids and the sadness of the whole thing., there was just a mass shooting in a movie theatre and I did follow the story but it didn't really have the same impact---where kids are concerned ( and I considered these babies) then that throws me over the edge.
I wasn't pointing a finger at anyone in particular, probably just the ones that were bickering and arguing.
Like I said...momoffuzzyfaces seems to have come up with the sanest answer.

I did read the "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" -- it's sad that mental illness is never considered important enough to take it seriously.

[mrspunkysmom]

Like I said...momoffuzzyfaces seems to have come up with the sanest answer.

I did read the "I am Adam Lanza's Mother" -- it's sad that mental illness is never considered important enough to take it seriously.

I've just been listening and taking it all in. Don't even have a suggestion that's different. I do have a question about what MOFF said. I can't find that post.

I do know that mental illness is misunderstood and overlooked. And is hidden a lot of the times. My mother always said it was the quiet ones that were scariest. I've always taken that advice to heart.

I know this won't leave this forum: In the wake of the latest mass murders, a boy at our school was expelled. Apparently he was in possession (trunk of his car) of many types of weapons. We are rural and hunting and gun ownership is a cherished right. Was this bad judgment? I pointed out that even if he intended no harm, it was known that he had the weapons and someone that intended harm could have used them. Someone knew he had them and turned him in that Friday. Fortunately many people knew he had them so hopefully he won't know who turned him in.

I've related what was in the news, so I am violating no confidences.

That being said, even my ultra conservative brother thinks that the 2nd amendment is overrated. It wasn't intended for these times and that the average person has no need for an arsenal, let alone any assault weapons. I agree.

I do understand some people's fear of a gov't that has no respect for the people. I think they are a little bit crazy, but it is so easy for things to get tilted the wrong way. A well regulated militia? The armed forces? Or private militia's? Any way, I do think there needs to be some way of regulating access to weapons and types of weapons allowed. Some weapons just make it too easy to kill and you can't take it back at all after that.

After all, there are regulations and requirements to drive a car, perform in many occupations like medicine, education, construction, etc. Why do we not have betters checks and balances for guns?