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  1. Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    Basic HC in other countries is just that, basic.

    Go to Mexico and trip into the "clinica" and check out the care.

    Look carefully at what they have to offer and pray to god you don't get sick.

    A 'curandera/o' might be able to give you and herb or poultice that may make you well.

    Forget an X-ray, CAT, MRI. A blood test just might be "it's red and runs"
    Here's what I mean about people who do not know what they are talking about....

    We know a couple. They are both doctors with Seguro Social - the Mexican health system. He is in general practice - at a clinica. She is a specialist at a hospital.

    They are every bit as educated as a doctor in the US. In fact they attended a University in Guadalajara where a good number of US doctors go to study. I would (and have) trust them with my healthcare.

    I would not think of insulting them by telling them they are considered to be practicing "folk medicine" that they are "shamans" - that they are unfamiliar with X-rays, CAR scans or MRIs. By someone who I suspect has never even seen a clinic in Mexico. Maybe even never have been to Mexico?

    So...don't be a jerk and listen to people who enjoy saying the sky is falling - even if they have never seen the sky.

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    While working construction and now with computers/IT, I have met some pretty dang dumb doctors. Not 5 gallon bucket dumb, but not learning a thing they dont have to past getting the PHD or outside of their field. In the last year I met a doctor who was a year or two older then myself who had never, emphasis Never, used a computer until she started working at the facility 2 years ago. Thats 2010.

    There are plenty of dumb people out their with high IQs. The smart Docs are the ones getting out of their practices and retiring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    Here's what I mean about people who do not know what they are talking about....

    We know a couple. They are both doctors with Seguro Social - the Mexican health system. He is in general practice - at a clinica. She is a specialist at a hospital.

    They are every bit as educated as a doctor in the US. In fact they attended a University in Guadalajara where a good number of US doctors go to study. I would (and have) trust them with my healthcare.

    I would not think of insulting them by telling them they are considered to be practicing "folk medicine" that they are "shamans" - that they are unfamiliar with X-rays, CAR scans or MRIs. By someone who I suspect has never even seen a clinic in Mexico. Maybe even never have been to Mexico?

    So...don't be a jerk and listen to people who enjoy saying the sky is falling - even if they have never seen the sky.
    I know a few ex pat's living in Mexico, they have had outstanding medical care for a ridiculously low cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    Here's what I mean about people who do not know what they are talking about....

    We know a couple. They are both doctors with Seguro Social - the Mexican health system. He is in general practice - at a clinica. She is a specialist at a hospital.

    They are every bit as educated as a doctor in the US. In fact they attended a University in Guadalajara where a good number of US doctors go to study. I would (and have) trust them with my healthcare.

    I would not think of insulting them by telling them they are considered to be practicing "folk medicine" that they are "shamans" - that they are unfamiliar with X-rays, CAR scans or MRIs. By someone who I suspect has never even seen a clinic in Mexico. Maybe even never have been to Mexico?

    So...don't be a jerk and listen to people who enjoy saying the sky is falling - even if they have never seen the sky.
    I was going to let this one pass, but I find that you are at times very entertaining and insulting caustic.

    You can never let a post of mine go without making it a point to counterpoint a comment that I make.
    I try to keep things light, but that is kinda impossible when people who have no sense of humor take me to task.

    Of course I have been to Mexico, of course I have been to the clinics and also been to 'curanderas, brujos and brujas'. The Expats who can afford to go to the doctors can and will.

    (Just so you know, The Most Interesting Man in the World was my Infectious Disease doctor....You don't have a sense of humor, so I won't explain it to you.)

    I have seen the best kind of care offered and been a patient on the receiving end of WORLD CLASS Pat care.

    I did put in 30 years in the HC industry and I remember you asking ME for some advice as to how to look at or into a hospital bill.

    I may not know all there is about medicine, but might know a bit more about how a hospital runs.

    It runs on paper and on that paper is printed dead presidents.

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    The real danger of the Obamacare debacle are the people who won't bother to look up into the sky to see what is flying about. They are the dedicated brainwashed who believe the government is too involved with our lives, but go on and crow about how the government will reform an industry that's got it's head shoved so far up the politico's rear end they know exactly how many have prostate problems.

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    The next time someone you know or even yourself runs into a problem with the 'system' do not complain about it.

    Go back to watching "Scrubs" or "House" and figure out how they resolve a health care issue in 48 minutes.

    And watch for the lawyer commercials or the ads that want you to go see a doc when your medication causes you anal leakage, dizziness, an erection that lasts more than 4 hours or tingling in the arms or legs.

    That's all you need to know.


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  5. Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    I was going to let this one pass, but I find that you are at times very entertaining and insulting caustic.

    You can never let a post of mine go without making it a point to counterpoint a comment that I make.
    I try to keep things light, but that is kinda impossible when people who have no sense of humor take me to task.
    There is nothing I like more than a challenge! So I counted. You have posted 13 times in this thread. I have posted seven times. Only two of those posts were in response to something you posted. I think "never" is a bit of hyperbole??

    I did put in 30 years in the HC industry and I remember you asking ME for some advice as to how to look at or into a hospital bill.
    Indeed, seven years ago I asked you about how to understand a hospital bill - while you were working in one. Come to think of it - around that same time you were a guest in my home.

    The good old days eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    While working construction and now with computers/IT, I have met some pretty dang dumb doctors. Not 5 gallon bucket dumb, but not learning a thing they dont have to past getting the PHD or outside of their field. In the last year I met a doctor who was a year or two older then myself who had never, emphasis Never, used a computer until she started working at the facility 2 years ago. Thats 2010.

    There are plenty of dumb people out their with high IQs. The smart Docs are the ones getting out of their practices and retiring.
    LOL, back in the early 80s the first comps came onto the scene and the docs then were the guys that had been practicing since the eary 70's. They hated the comps because they had to learn to type.

    Watching a doc type gave me hours of pleasure.

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    They was a wave of OB docs who were leaving that part of he OB/GYN scene because of the malpractice insurance rates and lawsuits.

    I had to laugh at the 'preventative medicine' talk in the OCA.

    So, sending people to have preventative checkups will make them healthier?

    Yes, but now you are asking physicians to see more patients during the day?

    Well, they can be seen by NPs and that will solve that problem, but what their schedule?

    The OCA is going to choke the system with patients, sick and well, during a time when their is a shortage of physicians.

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    Again, getting insurance does not guarantee you are going to give everyone the same kind of treatment.

    For some reason, the people who think that this CA will solve the problems in the system are the same people who believed Nancy Pelosi, who didn't bother to read the 2k pages of the act, she took it on faith that the thing will work.

    "I didn't read it, it's good."

    Really?

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    I sincerely do not know what I am talking about.

    I'll leave the expert opinions to the people who know it all.

    They are the really, really smart people.
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    I love the fact that other countries have uni health.

    Coverage for everyone!

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    I live in a country with Health Care --- guess where I stand on this subject? I love never having to worry about whether or not I can afford to see a doctor.
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    No, as I have heard many, many varying opinions from Canadians on their "universal health care" system. Don't know where in the spectrum you fall. The complainers make the most noise ...
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by catlady1945 View Post
    I live in a country with Health Care --- guess where I stand on this subject? I love never having to worry about whether or not I can afford to see a doctor.
    Amen! Maybe some day we will be as lucky in this country!

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    Weaseling bastards

    Just found out that my insurance (one of the "cadillac plans so loathed by all in the discussion, after all, I'm a federal worker (BTW, I wish I had half the benefits the lunatics accuse us of having)) will cover an allergist visit, but not the materials used. In other words, go for a cut, and we'll pay for the visit, but you're paying $300 for the band aid.

    ladies and gentlemen, the system is broken and needs a reset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Just found out that my insurance (one of the "cadillac plans so loathed by all in the discussion, after all, I'm a federal worker (BTW, I wish I had half the benefits the lunatics accuse us of having)) will cover an allergist visit, but not the materials used. In other words, go for a cut, and we'll pay for the visit, but you're paying $300 for the band aid.

    ladies and gentlemen, the system is broken and needs a reset.
    That's just about the silliest one I have heard! Sheesh! Like you, the patient, has any control of what materials the doc is going to use, either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Just found out that my insurance (one of the "cadillac plans so loathed by all in the discussion, after all, I'm a federal worker (BTW, I wish I had half the benefits the lunatics accuse us of having)) will cover an allergist visit, but not the materials used. In other words, go for a cut, and we'll pay for the visit, but you're paying $300 for the band aid.

    ladies and gentlemen, the system is broken and needs a reset.
    But ObamaCare will remedy all that and more!

    If you are one of the next 30 callers, we'll cover the next visit for free, just pay a co-pay and any materials, paste, labels and S&H.

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    Again, you are charged on an average, whether or not they use all the supplies the insurance is billed for.

    But why are we going to take away THEIR cut of the pie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    But ObamaCare will remedy all that and more!

    If you are one of the next 30 callers, we'll cover the next visit for free, just pay a co-pay and any materials, paste, labels and S&H.

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    Again, you are charged on an average, whether or not they use all the supplies the insurance is billed for.

    But why are we going to take away THEIR cut of the pie?
    Richard, an allergy test kit is routinely used en toto, especially on the initial visit. The issue is that the office visit is covered, but the supplies used in the covered office visit are part of the annual deductible, despite the insurance plan claiming to cover all testing.

    Okay, it's an allergy test, so it's covered (the brochure says all testing is covered).

    WRONG.......the test is covered......the materials aren't, in which case the
    testing isn't covered (without the materials, there's no damned test, boys and girls).

    Parse it however the hell you want to, but a lie is a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Richard, an allergy test kit is routinely used en toto, especially on the initial visit. The issue is that the office visit is covered, but the supplies used in the covered office visit are part of the annual deductible, despite the insurance plan claiming to cover all testing.

    Okay, it's an allergy test, so it's covered (the brochure says all testing is covered).

    WRONG.......the test is covered......the materials aren't, in which case the
    testing isn't covered (without the materials, there's no damned test, boys and girls).

    Parse it however the hell you want to, but a lie is a lie.
    Why are you yelling at me?

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    They get you coming and going.

    They charge the insurance for the 'test'.

    You figure that any and all materials would be covered....but that is the way they screw you.

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    Blame it on DRGS...

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    The prez thinks that by giving EVERYONE insurance, or forcing EVERYONE to buy insurance, it will solve all the problems.

    It's like having a car that gets 7 miles to a gallon, giving it a wash and polish, then claiming it will get better gas mileage.

    The whole system has to be reworked - and that isn't going to happen until they get take the bull by the horns -
    And that's hard when you try to take the bull by the feces.
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