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    60-year-old Calgary mother welcomes twins

    An interesting counterpoint to the octuplet story. The main criticism here is similar - the mother went 'home' to India for in-vitro fertilization, and came back to Canada to have her twins. They were not only delivered by emergency Caesarean, but she had a hysterectomy as well. The costs of this decision come out of the Canadian taxpayer's wallet as well.

    She has been in Canada 5 years, and speaks no English. How will she deal with her kids being in English speaking schools? She will not be able to teach them to speak ahead of time.

    Maybe no big deal there - they'll have friends - but I wish she had stayed in India for the birth and follow up NICU and hysterectomy, and come back to Canada later.

    JMO

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...ld-mother.html

    60-year-old Calgary mother welcomes twins
    Last Updated: Thursday, February 5, 2009 | 1:19 PM MT

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    Ranjit Hayer delivered her twin boys at Calgary's Foothills Hospital on Tuesday morning. (CBC)

    Ranjit Hayer tried for decades to have a child, enduring multiple miscarriages, surgery, even the trauma of being robbed by a fertility doctor. Finally, after a successful IVF treatment, the Calgary woman gave birth to twins at age 60.

    She is believed to be among the oldest Canadian women to give birth.

    Hayer's boys were delivered seven weeks prematurely by C-section at Calgary's Foothills Hospital on Tuesday morning, CBC Radio's The Current reported Thursday. The mother is recovering in intensive care, while the twins are in the neo-natal intensive care unit.

    'I always said there should be a baby. I had my heart set on it. I wanted a baby.' Ranjit Hayer, new mother

    One of the babies is breathing with the help of special equipment, while the other boy is in the special care unit. Doctors say both are doing well. The twins will be kept in hospital until they reach a specified weight and can breathe on their own.

    "My mind was always uneasy. I always said there should be a baby. I had my heart set on it. I wanted a baby," Hayer said from her hospital bed through a Punjabi translator.

    "I used to say to my husband, 'Go ahead, marry someone else. You have earned so much.'

    "He used to say to me, 'There's nothing wrong with you. If God wants to give us kids, he will.'"

    Case raises ethical questions

    Hayer's case especially her age has raised many ethical questions about how far to push the frontiers of medical science, even from the Calgary specialist who helped her.

    "We can do so much but the question is, should we do it just because we can do it?" said obstetrician Colin Birch, who was excited by the challenge but says he has yet to reconcile the social implications.

    "It all sounds very fine when this age group isn't it fantastic what medical technology can do, how we're stretching the boundaries and everything else but there's so much more involved in this. It's not just having the babies and being born," he told CBC.

    "There's not just one generation gap here, there's two generation gaps. They're really what would be like the age of grandparents."

    Hayer, who is originally from India, tried for years to get pregnant with her husband, but she miscarried three times.

    After Hayer became a permanent resident in Canada, an obstetrician gynecologist diagnosed a problem with Hayer's womb and recommended surgery. She had the operation in Calgary but she still couldn't conceive.
    Woman got pregnant through fertility treatment in India

    About 10 years ago, the couple paid a doctor in India for in vitro fertilization, but he took off with their money.

    The couple spent years working and saving up their money in Canada. After being turned down for IVF in this country because of her age, Hayer returned to India for the treatment using donor eggs last year and got pregnant with triplets.

    'I couldn't imagine if I was 65 having two five-year-olds running around crazily. The energy to do that is incredible.' Dr. Colin Birch

    "I thought it was a joke because the referral said 60-year-old patient with triplets, and I thought one of my colleagues or somebody's just playing jokes with me or up to mischief, and then actually the patient turned up in my office," Birch recalled.

    One of Hayer's embryos had to be terminated for medical reasons and the pregnancy with twins left her with high blood pressure and diabetes.

    She also had a condition called placenta previa where the placenta is attached to the bottom of the uterus and covers part or all of the cervix and can cause severe bleeding. Hayer spent the last four weeks in hospital so doctors could deliver the babies at a moment's notice if necessary.

    Hayer began to hemorrhage this week so Birch performed an emergency C-section to deliver the twins. The bleeding was so severe he had to take out the woman's uterus. Hayer was admitted to the intensive care unit, where she required blood transfusions to stabilize her condition.

    Debate in medical community

    The cutoff age in Canada for IVF is between 45 and 50 years old.

    Glenys Godlovitch, who chairs the health research ethics board at the University of Calgary, said there are many situations where patients return to Canada for care, after choosing to pay for treatment elsewhere.

    "We need to think of this as the broader context, not just the individual circumstances here, as to what obligation is there in the Canadian health-care system or on the Canadian taxpayer to support the after-care for people who've received an initial intervention, at cost, somewhere outside of Canada," she said Thursday.

    There are also the social implications of raising children when the parents may not live long enough to see them grow up.

    "I couldn't imagine if I was 65 having two five-year-olds running around crazily. The energy to do that is incredible," said Birch.
    With files from Dr. Brian Goldman
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    Follow-up Feb 6

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    Culture significant consideration in case of 60-year-old mother: doctor
    Last Updated: Friday, February 6, 2009 | 3:20 PM MT

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    A Calgary doctor says Ranjit Hayer's decision to have twins at age 60 should be considered through the lens of South Asian cultures.

    As CBC News first reported Thursday, Hayer is the Calgary woman who gave birth to twin boys this week after travelling to her native India for in vitro fertilization.

    'This is a big relief because it's normalized their perspective. It's normalized their life.' Dr. Harjot Kaur Singh

    The case, especially Hayer's age, has raised ethical questions about how far to push the frontiers of medical science, social debate over how fair it is for children to have elderly parents, and resentment that the Canadian health-care system paid for Hayer's delivery and the treatment of her premature babies.

    Dr. Harjot Kaur Singh, a family physician born in India, raised in Brooks, Alta., and educated at the University of Calgary, said she empathizes with Hayer because having a family and being a mother are highly valued in India and most other eastern cultures.

    She explained that as a woman, not having a child would be seen as unfulfilling, and even as a tragedy.

    "It would be abnormal to not have children, and so I think for them, this is a big relief because it's normalized their perspective. It's normalized their life," Singh said. "It's really given them some joy and happiness.

    "Now, I'm not saying that this should medically have been done or not, but I'm looking at it from the viewpoint of the cultural perspective."

    The Hayers' nephew, Tony Hayer, said family is a big part of their Punjabi culture and the couple, who lived by themselves, would visit often with relatives and their children.

    "They would see the families and always felt left out," Tony Hayer told the Calgary Sun. "Out of a lot of relatives, they were the only ones married but without children."

    Extended family support helps older parents

    Dr. Amninder Shergill, a physician at the Northeast Calgary Women's Clinic, said becoming a mother at 60 carries too many medical risks.

    Shergill, who grew up in India and studied medicine there, said most Indian women tend to have their children while they're still young.

    "We have history of having lots of kids but not with your first-time pregnancy at this late age with in vitro, no," she said.

    As for concerns that Hayer and her husband will not live long enough to see their twins grow up, Singh points out it's common in eastern cultures to rely on a network of relatives.

    "The extended family as a unit raises the child. Even we see now in India, where the grandparents will be in the village and they will be taking care and raising the kids, and the parents will be in the city earning an income," she said.

    "I don't think there is a generational change. I think that perspective has always been there."
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    I believe if you can afford to foot the bill for your children yourself, from birth through college, have as many as you want.

    However, if you can't afford them, don't have them. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's how I feel.

    I had one child. I paid his way, I never took a penny of public assistance. No way on this earth I could have afford two children, let alone six or eight or twelve. I could feed one, so I had one. Common sense.

    But my tax dollars go to support women who want to have six or ten children. They don't have to worry about who is feeding them all.
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    I feel the same way. If you can't afford a child don't have one, get yourself a pet rock.
    Quote Originally Posted by Twisterdog View Post
    I believe if you can afford to foot the bill for your children yourself, from birth through college, have as many as you want.

    However, if you can't afford them, don't have them. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but it's how I feel.

    I had one child. I paid his way, I never took a penny of public assistance. No way on this earth I could have afford two children, let alone six or eight or twelve. I could feed one, so I had one. Common sense.

    But my tax dollars go to support women who want to have six or ten children. They don't have to worry about who is feeding them all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    I feel the same way. If you can't afford a child don't have one, get yourself a pet rock.

    Some people are as dumb as rocks, so that would be a perfect adoption.

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    I want to know what any woman is thinking having a baby at that age?

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    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should!!! She probably won't live long enough to see them grown up. A 10 year old with a 70 year old mother???

    I had both my kids by the time I was 25, and sometimes it was a challenge to keep up with them. Can't even imagine what this woman's going to do with active kids!!!

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    I became exhausted just reading about it.
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    NOW they tell us...this woman has a husband and an extended family....

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    Joyous parents shrug at worldwide fuss
    Valerie Fortney, Calgary Herald
    Published: Friday, February 06, 2009

    Ecstasy. Joy. Boundless hope for the future. That's the way Ranjit Hayer's family is taking the news of the birth of twin boys to the 60-year-old, first-time mother.

    But big, worldwide news? Not on your life.

    No matter that mom is 60. Yes, you read it right. Six-O. Eligible for the Canadian Pension Plan.

    No matter that she's the oldest known person in Canada to give birth, through in vitro fertilization of donor eggs in her home country of India after being rejected as too old for treatment in Canada.

    Born on Tuesday, the little guys, Manjot and Gurpreet, who are seven weeks premature but reportedly in good health, represent the realization of their parents' 40-year dream.





    Yes, this is big news.Big enough that by Thursday afternoon, it made its way around the world. From Europe's International Herald Tribune to Internet news sites in China, everyone is talking about the 60-year-old mom and her miracle babies.

    Not surprisingly, it's news with more than a tinge of controversy. On the Herald's website, readers have expressed their surprise and, in many cases, out-and-out anger and horror over this marvel of modern medical technology. To many, it's a 21st century nightmare.

    Admit it: even if you support the idea of women doing what men have done for centuries--having babies late in life--a mom at 60 is a tough one to wrap your head around. To which the family of Ranjit Hayer give a collective "Huh?"

    Sorry folks, but those who know and love Ranjit and her husband Jagir just don't get what all the fuss is about. In their minds, she was simply following the adage of, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again."

    I met some of Ranjit's relatives Thursday morning. It's a few hours before the TV news begin running the endless loops of commentary on the event, much of it critical of the late-in-life delivery.

    Early in the day, they are feeling buoyant, if a little naive in their surprise that anyone is even interested in this.

    "They never really ever gave up," says Ranjit's younger sister, Daljit.

    "We always prayed for them to have children. . . . We always supported them," says the 49-year-old mother of three through an interpreter. "This is a very special moment."

    If you're looking for any hints that this is a family that loves and treasures its younger members, you need not look very far.

    The walls of Daljit's Whitehorn home are covered in oversized framed portraits of family, many of which feature Ranjit and Jagir posing with the children of their siblings.

    "They were more than aunt and uncle," says Daljit, who is married to Jagir's brother, Malkiat. "They treated our children like their own."

    But having their own proved to be a lifelong heartbreak. Over the decades, Ranjit suffered several miscarriages, and fertility treatments that were unsuccessful.

    The beaming smile on her husband's bearded face speaks volumes about how he and his wife feel about their change in fortune.

    "I'm very happy,"says the blue-jean wearing new dad as he paddles around barefoot in his immaculate home. "God has given me boys later in life --I want to throw a big party."

    But as we watch the lunchtime news together, his face contorts as he listens to the reporter use words like"ethics" and "controversy."

    He becomes visibly distressed, and begins to tell us, "No news, no news."

    In this house, the love for children is again obvious: the same big framed portraits at his brother's house of young relatives, many now adults, adorn the walls.

    Upstairs, a room sits empty but for an old trunk and suitcase. Jagir, 60, admits that he hasn't gotten around yet to fitting it out for the new residents, because he wanted to "keep it low key."

    Later in the day, I bump into Glenys Godlovitch at Foothills Hospital.I ask her if it makes a difference that these late-in-life parents have such a close-knit, extended family.

    "I think it's huge, it's enormous," says the acting director for the office of medical bioethics at the University of Calgary.

    "If these are children being born into a fully orchestrated, welcoming community, that will address some of the social concerns for them."

    But she does acknowledge it's a complicated issue, filled with more shades of grey than comfortable black-and-white; and that this is indeed big, big news.

    "It's quite extraordinary, isn't it?"

    That's a reality that, no doubt, will soon dawn on the Hayer family.


    The Calgary Herald 2009
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    Catty,

    Why are you complaining?

    You only have two to support.


    I and my fellow Cah lee fuh nee ahs have 14 to deal with.

    And since I do support them I am going to court to get visitation rights!
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    I feel better knowing that this woman has a husband, and especially extended family. The first couple of articles didn't mention that at all.

    Not like Ms 14 who has no visible means of support.
    "To begin, begin." ~William Wordsworth

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    Welcomes twins?

    I would have kicked the rugrats off my porch.....

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    60 years old with TWINS???

    I'd rather stick pins in my eyes.

    Manjot and Gurpreet????

    Oh yeah, he'll be a "hands on" Dad...NOT

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