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    The government is who created this mess. That's why it needs to change before the mess can be cleaned up. Do you really think that if any other person had been elected, things would have been better? If so, I have a bridge I'll sell you in never never land.

    By the way, it was the GOVERNMENT who got us out of the depression by putting people back to work doing work for the states building roads and things. I do know my history. My family lived through it!

    And who are they going to raise taxes on, people who have no many now?
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces View Post
    The government is who created this mess. That's why it needs to change before the mess can be cleaned up.
    So 2 wrongs do make a right?

    Do you really think that if any other person had been elected, things would have been better? If so, I have a bridge I'll sell you in never never land.
    Either of the two main options we were given would have gotten us to this point.

    Thats why I voted for Bob Barr.

    By the way, it was the GOVERNMENT who got us out of the depression by putting people back to work doing work for the states building roads and things. I do know my history. My family lived through it!
    Umm, no. WW2 got us out of the depression. All the first new deal did was make busy work, but it did ZERO to contribute to the long term health of the economy.

    Free economies are cyclical, they ebb and flow. The best thing to do is let it ebb and flow. But career politicans can't let that happen. Not when people can't afford their cigarettes or big screen TVs any more. Not when the people who suck on the government tit keep voting for more and more of MY money.

    You know your history? Read Cicero. Read the Federalist Papers. Don't regurgitate the BS that is contained in public school textbooks. (Remember, their content is regulated by the feds.... In direct conflict with the 10th Amendment...)

    And who are they going to raise taxes on, people who have no many now?
    No, they are going to tax my business. The US already has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate on Earth. You would not belive the things that are done to hide income. All that is needed is to let us keep OUR money. I'd love to hire 2-3 new techs... But I am holding off, because if Dear Leader raises my taxes, I can't afford to and stay in business.

    This is what we get when public schools feed the PC version of history to our kids and we elect a man who has never lead a business , telling business how to run.
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    Ok, fine!!! Get rid of all government. I hope you have a big gun and are a good shot so you can protect yourself and your business. You will need it to protect yourself from the vultures who will swoop down on you.

    And if war is so great for the economy; we should be all rolling in clover. We've been at war for over 5 years in Iraq!
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces View Post

    And if war is so great for the economy; we should be all rolling in clover. We've been at war for over 5 years in Iraq!

    Nice one Moff. If pucky is so dissatisfied with the way America
    government works, he should either run for office himself or move to
    an island far, far away.
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    I am so confused...

    I just heard on the news that the government is giving AIG even more money because it is too big a corporation, with too much at stake, to be allowed to fail. But I don't understand how the government pouring more and more money into AIG, or large banking corporations, or the big auto makers, is going to make things better for little old me in Chicago. I'm just trying to hang on to my job and my place and keep my old car running since I can't get a loan for a new one. I am thoroughly lost with this whole economic downturn, recession thing. Looks bad to me.
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    Try this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter E Williams
    There Is No Santa



    Here is what my George Mason University colleague Professor Richard Wagner wrote, which was published by Office of the House Republican Leader: "Any so-called stimulus program is a ruse. The government can increase its spending only by reducing private spending equivalently. Whether government finances its added spending by increasing taxes, by borrowing, or by inflating the currency, the added spending will be offset by reduced private spending. Furthermore, private spending is generally more efficient than the government spending that would replace it because people act more carefully when they spend their own money than when they spend other people's money." A short translation of Wagner's comment is: There is no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. Let's examine the ruse.

    Suppose the value of all that we will produce in 2009, our gross domestic product (GDP), totals $14 trillion. There cannot be any disagreement that if Congress spends $4 trillion, of necessity there is only $10 trillion left over for us to spend privately. In other words, if Congress is going to spend $4 trillion, it must find a way to get us to spend $4 trillion less. The most open and aboveboard method to force us to spend less privately is to tax us to the tune of $4 trillion.

    You might say, "Congress doesn't have to tax us $4 trillion. They could tax us $3 trillion and run a $1 trillion budget deficit." You have that wrong. There is no way for Congress to spend $4 trillion out of our 2009 $14 trillion GDP by getting us to spend only $3 trillion less privately. It has to be $4 trillion less. Another method to force us to spend less privately is to print money and inflate the currency. Rising prices reduce our ability to spend privately since each dollar we hold will not buy as much. Another way is for Congress to borrow, thereby reducing our ability to spend privately. By the way, all of this means that in any real economic sense the federal budget is always balanced. That is, if Congress spends $4 trillion we must privately spend $4 trillion less whether it is accomplished through taxation, inflation or borrowing.

    The stimulus package being discussed is politically smart but economically stupid. It's that bedeviling, omnipresent Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy problem again. Let's say that Congress taxes you $500 to put toward creating construction jobs building our infrastructure. The beneficiaries will be quite visible, namely men employed building a road. The victims of Congress are invisible and are only revealed by asking what you would have done with the $500 if it were not taxed away from you. Whatever you would have spent it on would have contributed to someone's employment. That person is invisible. Politicians love it when the victims of their policies are invisible and the beneficiaries visible. Why? Because the beneficiaries know for whom to vote and the victims do not know who is to blame for their plight.

    In stimulus package language, if Congress taxes to hand out money, one person is stimulated at the expense of another, who pays the tax, who is unstimulated. A visual representation of the stimulus package is: Imagine you see a person at work taking buckets of water from the deep end of a swimming pool and dumping them into the shallow end in an attempt to make it deeper. You would deem him stupid. That scenario is equivalent to what Congress and the new president proposes for the economy. A far more important measure that Congress can take toward a healthy economy is to ensure that the 2003 tax cuts don't expire in 2010 as scheduled. If not, there are 15 separate taxes scheduled to rise in 2010, costing Americans $200 billion a year in increased taxes. In the face of a recession, we don't need that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Nice one Moff. If pucky is so dissatisfied with the way America
    government works, he should either run for office himself or move to
    an island far, far away.
    If Lizzy is so dissatisfied with the way American Government was supposed to work, and worked for 200 years, she should move rather then make America like the governments she so admires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces View Post
    Ok, fine!!! Get rid of all government. I hope you have a big gun and are a good shot so you can protect yourself and your business. You will need it to protect yourself from the vultures who will swoop down on you.

    And if war is so great for the economy; we should be all rolling in clover. We've been at war for over 5 years in Iraq!
    Did I say get rid of all government? Heck no. Good grief. LOL

    But the ROLE of government here is, IMO, WAY, WAY more involved in our lives than it should be. I believe in the individual and giving the individual as much personal liberty as possible. Because at our core, I know we are a GOOD people. We are not the people the news and our schools tells you we are.

    I do have several big guns and I am more than capable of using them to protect myself, my familiy and those I love. I PRAY that I never, ever have to.

    LOL. I love how you and the cheerleader think Iraq is a war comparable to WW2. I thought you said you knew your history? During WW2, our country mobilized on a massive scale. The US mobilized 92 ground combat divisions, a huge Navy and Air Force and the structures to move and supply it. This kind of mobilization requires huge efforts from industry... (Jobs, jobs, jobs...) Now granted, this money was provided from the public coffers, but it was spent, mostly, on things that created REAL jobs and products/services. The size of our force has barely changed for Iraq as it is a wholly differnt kind of conflict, that I personally belive is time to be done with. There has been nowhere near the amount of industry required to support opertations in Iraq/Afghanistan, compared to WW2.


    Again, with your "arguements" as proof.... Those who do not understand our history (IN CONTEXT) are doomed to repeat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post

    The US mobilized 92 ground combat divisions, a huge Navy and Air Force and the structures to move and supply it. This kind of mobilization requires huge efforts from industry... (Jobs, jobs, jobs...) Now granted, this money was provided from the public coffers, but it was spent, mostly, on things that created REAL jobs and products/services.
    Agreed,
    One of the giant changes in the world since "the Wall" came a tumblin' down is the fact that we didn't have to produce /make/design materials/concepts or systems to keep the 'evil USSR' from taking over the planet.

    We now find out that they were indeed a paper tiger, but the industries that those shmucks forced us to build were great for our economy.

    GM, Raytheon, Martin, Lockheed all had HUGE government contracts and were giants among the economy here in So Cal. I can imagine that most of the workers never thought about what they did was really devoted to war.

    Do we need a good war to improve our economy?

    I pray that we don't, but sometimes it looks like that's what happens to get countries out of an economic funk.

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    Hey, if the 900,000,000 BO has promised to the Gaza Strip helps the Hamas, Hezbollah and PLO keep attacking Israel we stand to make the money back and then some, when we sell more arms and shiat that blows up in arms deals.

    Then we get blamed for selling them arms, while the American Public forgets that we sent those morons (GAZA) money that they just funnel into more terrorism! Not a blip on the screen from anyone about the nine hundred million dollars that we will give away-those are the kinds of investments that got us into trouble in the first place.


    Change? I don't think so.

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    LOL, I can see that my tax dollars are running the WH in times of war against nasty radio show hosts, Like the economy is tanking dude and all you care about is a blow hard talking head?

    Even GWB had his stinky fingers in more than one dish at a time!
    This guy cannot multitask at all1

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    Its all part of distracting the public from the massive tax increases, and its targeting the middle class and poor.
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    I heard that Kay King, lapdog for the SOTH -Nancy the blitherer-sent some really funny emails to the Air Force regarding their inability to furnish her with the G5 jets she 'needed' to get around.

    Very funny and very demanding.

    What a stupid pair of twits.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29616975/

    LOL, if MSNBC posts it, it must be true?
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    Nancy the blitherer is third in line for the big chair. Of course she deserves a G5 and fighter jet escort to Calli every weekend, you cant expect her to stay in touch with her constituent's by flying comercial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Nancy the blitherer is third in line for the big chair. Of course she deserves a G5 and fighter jet escort to Calli every weekend, you cant expect her to stay in touch with her constituent's by flying comercial.
    I can hardly wait for election time so we can get rid of N the B, Baba Boxer and Diane Frankenstein.

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    And whats the deal with Maxine "the mouth" Waters. What a fricking blowhard that fool is. This week I was buoyed by Jackie Speiers (sp?) She doesn't want the bailout money for Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah!

    She renewed my faith in CA politics and the women who run the state!

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    I heard that that SOB OBL made a tape and mentioned the Gaza Strip........

    After we promised to give them 900 million the FN ingrate is criticizing us?


    Why, I otta.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    I heard that Kay King, lapdog for the SOTH -Nancy the blitherer-sent some really funny emails to the Air Force regarding their inability to furnish her with the G5 jets she 'needed' to get around.

    Very funny and very demanding.

    What a stupid pair of twits.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29616975/

    LOL, if MSNBC posts it, it must be true?

    Richard, Richard, tsk tsk, you must expand your reading library. Try this
    link to better distinguish truth from rumors. It won't hurt a bit, I promise.

    http://www.factcheck.org/politics/sliming_pelosi.html
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