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    Quote Originally Posted by Puckstop31 View Post
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...LEFTTopOpinion

    This piece is critical of Mr. Beck. But see what is said about the people.
    The 'behavior' of the crowd will get little or no coverage because it IRKS THE LIVIN POOP out of people that wanted to see GB fail.

    Now, I try to watch a little of 'them' all -'them' being all the talking heads on MSNBC, CNN, FNC, HLN and I truly find them to all be major league BWs.
    Beck, sometimes irks me by his antics but, I really want to see Madcow, Olberman, Ratigan, any one of them to try and pull off an event like that.

    Where were the reports of looting, assault, vandalism or ?????? that we associate with political rallies in the past?

    What the hell is going on?
    This 'kinder, gentler' form of gathering people is worrisome to me.

    THere has to be some kind of evil that slow bubbles underneath the calm exteriors of you white people in that crowd.

    I can bet that if they had allowed some Mexicans in there, there would have been problems. We would have set up stalls to try and sell water, popsicles or tacos....The nerve.

    I liked the idea of getting people together and trying to find some kind of togetherness for the country.

    Some of us cannot handle that because it means we'll have to behave ourselves and there will not be the tension we have come to know and complain about.


    I love crowds, I have been to sporting events and concerts with 100,000 people around me and thought about how the promoters got so many people to 'behave' for a few hours.

    Get on the freeway and check out a good traffic jam. Everyone, well mostly everyone, gets along and follows the rules for however how long it takes to clear up.

    A few rules and a giant crowd?

    I'll give that blubbering crybaby the respect he deserves. He pulled it off without a hitch.

    I would love to see that AH losers that would show up to a Keith Olbermann rally....Come on Rachel!

    She has women, dems, gays and a HUGE number of fans she could rally, but then the Right to Lifers will show up, PETA, Code Pink and maybe some anarchists, for flavor?

    THe scariest thought to the people that talked about GB in unflattering terms is the fact that he did what he did and there was nothing to complain about afterwards.


    Well, maybe the fact that 'whitey' took over and didn't let us 'minorities' come play on the lawn....

    That's o.k.

    I saw some pictures with some black and brown faces mixed into the crowd..

    Even Glenn Beck couldn't keep us out.

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    19 American troops killed in Afghanistan since Saturday.


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    Bob Herbert's latest piece from the NY Times -

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/31/op...31herbert.html


    One of the reasons we’re in this state of nonstop warfare is the fact that so few Americans have had any personal stake in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no draft and no direct financial hardship resulting from the wars. So we keep shipping other people’s children off to combat as if they were some sort of commodity, like coal or wheat, with no real regard for the terrible price so many have to pay, physically and psychologically.

    Not only is this tragic, it is profoundly disrespectful. These are real men and women, courageous and mostly uncomplaining human beings, that we are sending into the war zones, and we owe them our most careful attention. Above all, we owe them an end to two wars that have gone on much too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    So we keep shipping other people’s children off to combat as if they were some sort of commodity, like coal or wheat, with no real regard for the terrible price so many have to pay, physically and psychologically.

    Bob Herbert does not realize that they are the children of the United States, I dare go against his idea and say that they are my children, my brothers and sisters, my blood.

    What a divine A.H.



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    Ah, yes, the bunch of rich old men sitting in boardrooms and eating steak while sending others off to war argument...........

    It was weak 40 years ago, it's even weaker now.

    Start drafting people? All it will do is give the military recruits that frankly, they don't want. When the recruiters have problems meeting goals and they start relaxing standards, then maybe trot out that old canard.

    Why are we in a state of endless war?

    Because there is no single country we can go pound into the stone age and bring the troops home. We're good at that, we can do it with relative ease and speed.

    We have to make certain groups realize that it's insane to fight the US on any terms........and ROE and a kinder, gentler military aren't going to cut it.

    Take the gloves off, let the troops fight, let the generals on the ground make the decisions, not the politicians in Washington.

    Once you make the decision to send in the troops, the troops need to be left to do what needs to be done........and the reporters and the fact finders need to find another place other than a war zone to find their facts from. There's nothing more irritating than trying to run an operation and having politicians and reporters cheeking up on the troops. It was irritating as all hell in a training environment, I don't even want to THINK about what I'd have done with a certain news crew in combat.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Andrew J. Castro, 20
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
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    Bob Herbert does not realize that they are the children of the United States, I dare go against his idea and say that they are my children, my brothers and sisters, my blood.
    Of course he realizes they are the children of the United States. Where did you get such a ridiculous idea?




    19 American troops have been killed in Afghanistan since Saturday. No comments on that fact?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post

    Start drafting people? All it will do is give the military recruits that frankly, they don't want. When the recruiters have problems meeting goals and they start relaxing standards, then maybe trot out that old canard.
    This has already been happening - for a couple of years.

    From 2008.

    Google and you'll find many more articles.

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    THe number of American troops killed, is quite frankly, pointless, as all it is is a reversal of the bodycount PR idiocy from Vietnam.

    You engage in combat and press the enemy, you're going to have losses.

    You tie the hands of the leaders in Theater, you're going to make those losses worse.

    If you want the troops to win, then give them a way to win and stop getting in the damned way.

    End the Bring all the troops home nonsense, all that accomplishes is a replay of Saigon.

    End the false timetables, and equally as important end the fiction that we're not going to deal with people we officially don't like to end the mess.

    We made deals with Stalin to win WW2............
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Grace, your definition of relaxing the standards and mine are two different animals.

    Relaxing the standards enacted to achieve social engineering within the military doesn't bother me.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    Of course he realizes they are the children of the United States. Where did you get such a ridiculous idea?




    19 American troops have been killed in Afghanistan since Saturday. No comments on that fact?
    First, my comments were not directed at you, nothing personal.

    Let's see, the 28th was Saturday........

    A.J. Acosta died on that day.

    So did 18 other soldiers that were someone else's kids, commodities like coal or wheat.........Dang, is that 9 coals and 9 wheats?

    I apologize for paying extra special attention to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    End the false timetables, and equally as important end the fiction that we're not going to deal with people we officially don't like to end the mess.
    DUDE,

    My prez was talking about NO VICTORY LAPS and I missed it.


    LOL, He praised GWB.........It's still his fault.

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    Al Gore is now a terrorist leader.

    Link.
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    Priceless, but Al's crap has been feeding ELF and ALF for years.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Al Gore is reaffirmed as a terrorist leader.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    Priceless, but Al's crap has been feeding ELF and ALF for years.
    Better?

    ETA: Can I be banned for editing my own post?

    Further ETA: Wait , I didnt edit my post. Can I be banned for changing the context of my quote?
    Last edited by blue; 09-02-2010 at 12:36 AM.
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