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  1. so to get back on point....looks who was irritated by hecklers at town hall meetings...in fact having someone thrown out!!

    PHOENIX — Sen. John McCain met with an angry crowd at a town-hall meeting about health care reform Wednesday, sometimes having to fight to talk and telling one woman who wouldn't stop yelling that she had to leave.

    The Arizona senator hadn't yet opened up the meeting at McCain's central Phoenix church to questions when one audience member continuously yelled over him.

    "You're going to have to stop or you're going to have to leave," McCain told the woman. When security guards approached to escort her out, he told her "Goodbye, see ya" to a round of applause.
    Now...I am going to sit back and wait for those who were so incensed by the treatment of people at town hall meetings to chime in. After all...this woman just wanted to be heard...right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    I may be mistaken but wasn't this month the worst for casualties in Afghanistan?
    Richard, August is now tied with July for most casualties (deaths). And August goes on for 4 more days.

  3. As I recall the worst month in Iraq was sadly, 99 casualties. How does this compare?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    As I recall the worst month in Iraq was sadly, 99 casualties. How does this compare?
    Fortunately the total is about half that number. 44 to date, to be exact. July had 45. However, the total for this year, to this point, is more than in all of 2008.

    I think one was too many.

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    I think one was too many.
    Emphatically agree!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post

    so to get back on point....looks who was irritated by hecklers at town hall meetings...in fact having someone thrown out!!



    Now...I am going to sit back and wait for those who were so incensed by the treatment of people at town hall meetings to chime in. After all...this woman just wanted to be heard...right?
    One person being removed, others getting beaten. Hm, McCain had someone removed peacefully. The Unions that support the Dems, beating those opposing HCR. I can see your comparison.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grace View Post
    I think one was too many.
    Just think, if nobody died in war, women would still be subjegated, slavery would be wide spread, and we would be living in the dark ages. Better living through superior firepower.
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    Just think, if nobody died in war, women would still be subjegated, slavery would be wide spread, and we would be living in the dark ages.
    A link for that please? I have not a clue what subjegated (sic) is but I sure would like to know how people dying in war "unsubjegated" us????
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary View Post
    A link for that please? I have not a clue what subjegated (sic) is but I sure would like to know how people dying in war "unsujegated" us????
    "unsujegated"?

    You really do think this thread is about you.
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    This whole white text thing and photo-spying is pathetic. Grow up, man.

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    Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.

    Anyway...my take on Afghanistan is that this is the only war we had any business fighting, because they harbored the criminals/terrorists responsible for murdering over 3000 citizens of the world. This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey the elder View Post
    Anyway...my take on Afghanistan is that this is the only war we had any business fighting, because they harbored the criminals/terrorists responsible for murdering over 3000 citizens of the world. This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.
    I agree with you about Afghanistan. However, those criminals have now moved into Pakistan - do we follow them? I don't think so.

    I read an op-ed piece about Afghanistan by Bob Herbert. Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokey the elder View Post
    Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.

    Anyway...my take on Afghanistan is that this is the only war we had any business fighting, because they harbored the criminals/terrorists responsible for murdering over 3000 citizens of the world. This war was IMO badly mismanaged, and only now is Obama making an effort to carry it out the way it should have been done 8 (!) years ago.

    Agreed. This thread was taking on a somewhat sinister tone. Downright creepy.

    I sometimes think we have no business fighting all over the globe. America
    needs to look to it's own business. We have plenty of problems that we
    need to be working on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    I may be mistaken but wasn't this month the worst for casualties in Afghanistan?
    Now you are correct. From NPR -

    August Deadliest Month In Afghanistan For U.S. Troops

    By Frank James

    A U.S. soldier was killed in a bomb blast in Afghanistan Friday, making it the deadliest month for U.S. troops in the eight years of the war.

    The soldier was killed in eastern Afghanistan when the vehicle he was riding in struck a roadside bomb, according to the military.

    All told, 45 U.S. troops have died in Afghanistan in August as the U.S. has surged its military forces into the country with the aim of driving back the Taliban and insurgents.

    Roadside bombs have caused many of the casualties since improvised explosive devices are so easy to conceal in the Afghanistan's unpaved roads. Meanwhile, the Taliban learned from observing the Iraq War how effectively deadly IEDs are.

    The increasing death toll comes at the same time as support in the U.S. for the war appears to be declining among a war-weary public; the growing casualties are no doubt causing some of that loss of public backing.

    Complicating President Barack Obama's challenge is the U.S. military's request for more troops to be sent to Afghanistan which would likely increase the casualties there, further eroding public support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Z View Post
    This whole white text thing and photo-spying is pathetic. Grow up, man.
    Why? This is the internetz.

    Quote Originally Posted by smokey the elder View Post
    Howinthehe!! did we get off the (once polite) debating on the theme of this thread? I'm just disgusted.
    I find that tends to happen when a group of members single out 1 or 2 others to publicly mock, ridicule, and insult.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    Agreed. This thread was taking on a somewhat sinister tone. Downright creepy.
    Creepy, thats putting it mildly.

    I sometimes think we have no business fighting all over the globe. America needs to look to it's own business. We have plenty of problems that we need to be working on.
    Do you think we should be helping to improve the living conditions of third world countries? Should we be helping to improve womens rights in countries where women are oppressed? When American civilian volunteers are killed for trying to improve conditions in other countries should we just shrug our shoulders?
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