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Thread: Cross between a mini schnauzer and a soft coated Wheaten Terrier

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    The breeds are incredibly alike in temperament. I am a dog groomer and schnauzers and wheatons are both very popular reeds that come into the shop. I always say that wheatons are just like big schnauzers. No other breeds consistently freak out when you try to pick them up lol.

    Since they are so much alike I would say just get a purebred of one or both (but not to breed together). Breeding mixes is irrespnsible. Too many dogs in shelters -- people should be breeding to better a breed, not to create more.
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    Soft Coated Wheaton Terriers mixed with Miniature Shnauzers

    I own a Wheaton Terrier/Mini Shnauzer mix and she is probably the best dog you could ever have, she's adorable, smart, well behaved, she has an amazing personality and everyone wants a "Cooper" when they meet her.

    I recommend this breed over any other.

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    Crazy?!

    So, obviously none of you have owned or met a SC Wheaton Terrier/ mini Schnauzer mix, because I do own one and have met several, and they are one of the best breeds I have ever met, and everyone who meets my dog always asks us where she came from and how they can get one just the same.

    They are very smart,(we taught ours to use a doggy door in 20 minutes) and with this, sometimes gets herself in trouble, but she loves people and is very sweet, and very funny... So I recommend this breed to everyone and anyone....

    Any questions?

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    Every dog is different. When refering to the temperament of a breed it is always a "most likley" situation.
    The temperament of a dog has some to do with breeding, some to do with the environment a dog is raised in.
    What most everyone is saying in this thread is while your dog may be a great, smart companion, there are others dying in shelters who would make just as great pets. I'm not saying your dog isn't special, I'm just saying another dog of the same mix is NOT necessarily going to be the same. As Sophie (Gisselle) pointed out, when you cross to breeds you are capible of getting a large range or temperaments and traits. Sometimes these are not even apparent in either of the parent breeds. For example, Golden/Poodle crosses sometimes have wirey coats that are different in texture from the poodle or golden ret.

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    Kelly they are a cross breed not a breed . When you mix 2 different breeds together you dont know what you are getting with the resulting pups.
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    I like how you keep calling it a breed like it's purebred lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flipgirl
    Thank you for all your replies and now that I've read them I will surely not go looking for a breeder of such a mix. I'm a new dog owner and I would love to have both a wheaton terrier and a mini schnauzer as I love both breeds...well there are not many breeds I don't like. I would certainly not like to contribute to the many dogs that are killed or abandoned due to their unpredictablity and am aware that people will mix breeds for money...I was just wondering what other objections there would be. But thanks for setting me straight....a wheaton/schnauzer mix would certainly be more than a handful. If I had to choose between a wheaton and a schnauzer, I don't know which one I would choose! But that is not to say that I wouldn't rescue a dog either! Again thanks for the information...
    Wow, it's SO nice and refreshing to see someone listen and take others' opinions into consideration without getting defensive! My congratulations for your open-mindedness.

    As for choosing between the two, adopt one of each from a shelter instead!

    I also agree with what everyone else said. You don't always get "the best of both worlds" when crossing breeds, in fact, I would say you practically NEVER get a 50/50 split of traits, good or bad. I happen to like Italian greyhounds and English bulldogs. Can you imagine crossing the two and hoping to get the best of each? Perish that thought!


    Kelly444 - I'm sure you have a lovely, wonderful dog. I happen to have a few lovely, wonderful, smart crossbreeds as well. But they are not "breeds". They are mutts. A crossbred, with two distinct purebreds as parents, or a Heinz 57 pooch, with dozens upons dozens of different dogs in its ancestory ... they are both mutts, mixed breeds, whichever term you prefer. Mixed breeds are great. I own four. I adopted them all and saved their lives. However, to intentionally breed mixed breed dogs is beyond irresponsible, when tens of thousands are dying in shelters, and starving in alleys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twisterdog
    Wow, it's SO nice and refreshing to see someone listen and take others' opinions into consideration without getting defensive! My congratulations for your open-mindedness.

    As for choosing between the two, adopt one of each from a shelter instead!

    I also agree with what everyone else said. You don't always get "the best of both worlds" when crossing breeds, in fact, I would say you practically NEVER get a 50/50 split of traits, good or bad. I happen to like Italian greyhounds and English bulldogs. Can you imagine crossing the two and hoping to get the best of each? Perish that thought!


    Kelly444 - I'm sure you have a lovely, wonderful dog. I happen to have a few lovely, wonderful, smart crossbreeds as well. But they are not "breeds". They are mutts. A crossbred, with two distinct purebreds as parents, or a Heinz 57 pooch, with dozens upons dozens of different dogs in its ancestory ... they are both mutts, mixed breeds, whichever term you prefer. Mixed breeds are great. I own four. I adopted them all and saved their lives. However, to intentionally breed mixed breed dogs is beyond irresponsible, when tens of thousands are dying in shelters, and starving in alleys.
    Well thanks Twister....when I wrote that first quote, I was totally naive and uneducated about dogdom - now I'm a little more educated - I'm glad I have this forum to get straight answers!

    I would love to get one of each but that will have to wait until I get a bigger place. I know a few wheatons (my groomer has 3 and my friend has one) and I know a mini schnauzer and I fell in love with them instantly. But I also love Olde English Sheepdogs, Old English bulldogs, American Staffordshire Terriers, Boxers, labs, etc etc!!! So I guess education comes at a price!! haha

    I think it's interesting that with all the attention given to the Ellen DeGeneres debaucle, more attention was given to the issue of puppy mills and pet stores but such progress was halted by the Paris Hilton's of society. Who, by the way, just admitted to having 17 dogs and also abandoned a cat at her vet's. I wish I knew then what I know now but then a lot of people would not have learned from all the replies my original post generated!

    I'm also glad that there are people like you that adopt these mutts from shelters and rescues - it sure takes a special person to do that. I have actually tried three times to adopt a dog but because of the size of my place, it wasn't feasible. I go on the websites of the shelters around my area and I cannot believe the number of mutts there are...In Toronto, where I work, they are reducing the funding given to shelters so there will be a lot of abandoned animals roaming the streets. What I would give to rescue these poor dogs! Honestly, having a dog has made me realize that dogs are more 'human' than some humans themselves!!!
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    I wish I knew then what I know now but then
    Don't worry, I think everyone wishes that. We aren't born knowing and unfortunatly not everyone is born into animal loving familes. Alot fo people on here have puppy mill/pet store puppies but now know that it's wrong.
    I'm glad you changed your mind

    In Toronto, where I work,
    It says you live in Oklahoma so how do you work in Toronto? Unless their is a Toronto in Oklahoma.
    If you work in Toronto Ontario, I can help you find a dog in need of a home.
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    Hi buttercup,
    I just replied to your PM - I was born in Oklahoma a long long time ago but work in Toronto. I actually live in Burlington.

    Let me know how you can help me in a PM....thanks!!!!
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    I Own One and Love Him

    I own a standard schnauzer and wheaton terrier mix.

    For those who wonder why a breeder would cross the two, the puppies are great. And they have a special meaning to me. The breeders are friends who I have known for 43 years. I am not going to spill my guts on a website, but let me say that this dog brings both great dog qualities and a lifelong friendship with their family together.

    I get the whole dog rescue thing. I have rescued dogs. But I lost one of my dogs to a car accident and when I dropped her body off to be creamated I wanted a puppy. I took home a 6 month old standard schnauzer / wheaton terrier mix. And he looks a lot like a giant schnauzer if you are wondering.

    Good breeders are just that -- good breeders. This family took two dogs that each mean a lot to their respective owners and bred them. And I am grateful.

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    I also own one and love him -- best dog ever

    My dog, Wendel, is now 4 years old and I may be looking for a brother for him in the next year or two. I came across this site while looking up where I might get another "Schwheaton", like my beloved Wendel.

    Anyone who warns against this mix has obviously not met one. Before picking up Wendel, my wife and I went to about 8 different breeders of various (non-shedding) pure bred dogs and mixes. We were very picky that the puppy absolutely had to have the right temperament. When we arrived at the breeder of Wheaton/Schnauzer mixes, we knew right away that we were getting a dog that day. We could have picked any one of the 7 or 8 dogs that were there and we wouldn't have made a bad choice.

    Wendel is friendly, loving, great with kids and other dogs, submissive, non-shedding, does not bark very much (i.e. less than most dogs), is playful (including fetching) when we are, and happy to lie around the house and watch tv with us. He is almost the perfect dog. Just to be fair, his negative points would be that he's not a great guard dog (besides barking once or twice if he hears the doorbell), and we're still working on the "come" command while other dogs are around.

    When we walk our dog we are constantly stopped as people tell us that we have "the cutest dog ever", to which we politely reply "your dog is pretty cute too". We are also often asked where we got our dog by prospective dog owners.

    Although somewhat rare, we have met a few dogs of the same mix - and all of them were great dogs. As far as dogs for a family go, this is one of the best breeds/mixes you will ever find.

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    Do you realize that a wheaton-colored standard schnauzer would be the exact same thing? That's basically what you're looking for isn't it? Wheaton-colored purebred schnauzers do exist.
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    Wheaten cross?

    I realize it's kind of late to pipe in here, but want to anyway as somebody who's had both a wheaten cross and a schnauzer. My wheaten might have been purebred, I'm not sure since like the schnauzer he came from the pound. Both were delightful dogs, although the schnauzer was awfully yappy until he blessedly started losing his hearing at 10 ;-). He lived to 19, BTW.

    There are a couple of things the AKC folks fail to mention. For one thing, many breeds out there are the result of people breeding particular breeds together in order to get a new breed with particular qualities. So, when did the evolution of dogs stop? When the AKC decided? Some of the toughest, adaptable and smartest dogs out there are the indeciferable mixes you see in places like Mexico. Sled dogs that are mixes often fetch much bigger bucks than a Husky (better for speed in races but otherwise not the best sled dog for regular work).

    Another thing is that the AKC has bred into breeds many of the problems that plague them. For example, somebody somewhere decided that "sloping hips" were a desirable trait for a German Shepherd. Now it's very hard to get one that doesn't have hip problems. Short noses and squished in faces for dogs like pugs and shiz tzus resulted in breathing problems. Ever heard a little pug on a hot day? Wheezing and snuffling? Wouldn't he be better off with a longer nose? But then he wouldn't pass the beauty contest!

    I'm really not trying to rip the AKC - but I resent the fact that they try to say that these dogs are somehow "better" than a mixed breed mutt. My beloved Wheaten cross just died of cancer, and I'm seriously thinking about a designer mutt to replace him. I have allergies and a whoodle (wheaten/poodle) sounds like a smart, soft, and good natured mix. So, maybe they aren't recognized breed according to the AKC, but I don't think labradoodles are yet, either. Yet they are extremely popular. A shnoodle, whoodle, labradoodle? Why not? Maybe they'll be "recognized" one of these days. A shnauzer without skin problems, a less high-strung version of a poodle? How could these possibly be considered bad breeding?

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    Crossbreeding dogs stops when responsibility stops.

    REPUTABLE breeders who want to crossbreed for certain traits start a parent club. They select a set of traits they want to try for. They select well-bred purebreds to start with. The take records of each generation. They get numerous health tests, not just from veteranarians, but from specialists in canine eyes and hips and spines and genetics and so fourth. Its a very long process and carefully planned. The breed becomes elegible for purebred consideration only after about 20 generations of breeding the hybrids to each other, not counting any generations where you bred back to a purebred of either breed you are using.

    Bybs, puppy mills, non-reputable breeders do not have a parent club. They do not start with good stock because good breeders will not allow their dogs to be sold to a hybrid breeder. They do not do all of the health screening beyond a regular vet. They often do not even breed past the first or second generation hybrids.

    This is why the evolution of breeds is such a controversial problem.

    Believe it or not, the cockapoo has been eligible for purebred status for many years now. The parent club has more than enough generations behind them and the standard is developed enough that if they wanted to pursue it. But I suggest they give it a new name or people are going to start breeding hybrids from two purebred parents thinking they have the same thing as the parent club.



    All of the arguements in this thread say that wheaton/schnauzer crosses were "the best dog ever" or "well-behaved" or "well-tempered". You would be saying the same thing if you had gotten a purebred and had it for life. Do you have any arguements that put the hybrid above and beyond what a purebred pup has to offer?
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