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Personally I think its great! My one concern was what on earth will hubby find to moan about when we go to the pub if no one is allowed to smoke..... then it hit me.................
.........he'll be able to moan about the cold air coming in every time someone goes outside to have a cigarette :D (sorry dear, only teasing ;) )
I LOVE smoking bans! They banned it here in Florida a couple years ago and I was so happy! :D
It was just banned in Ohio but there's one county that plans to not follow it. I honestly don't understand why.
Its banned in Appleton and they are thinking of doing other cities in the fox valley. I like being able to go into the bars that serve good food and eat without breathing smoke. It really brought down business though because people go to the next town over to drink and smoke.
They've just banned smoking in public spaces, such as restaurants in Buenos Aires... I'm really happy about it, it's awful when you're trying to enjoy your food in a restaurant, and you have to smell other people's cigarettes....
I love the smoking bans, and yes I used to be a smoker. long time ago. I don't mind others smoking if that is what they choose to do, I beleive in each to their own, which is precisely why I like the bans. I don't think those who choose not to smoke should be forced to inhale it and risk cancers and other illness issues such as allergies and asthma due to it. I know smokers often think they are bieng picked on but they can choose to smoke or not smoke, those who don't can't choose not to inhale it if it's everywhere. Although I do think they should make provisions for those to do want to smoke, perhaps a separate location outside with at least a windbreak or a covered place to do it so they aren't forced to be out in harsh weather if they choose to do it.
Let's hope Chicago is next! According to statistics, I've already had enough second hand smoke that I might as well have been smoking a pack a day for 3 years :( I'm allergic to it too.
I love them too......if smoking was only harmful to yourself it would be one thing.....but since if you're smoking you can harm others by second-hand smoke, then I'm all for banning it in public places.
I too am really glad of the ban. I hate walking into places that absolutely reek of smoke, and it'll certainly reduce the number of people who suffer from passive smoking:)
So it was passed anyway? Even though Tony bottled the decision before? ;)
They've exempted prisons??? :confused: :confused: You mean there will be more freedom inside prison than out???
I think it's really hard for the people who smoke to quit. Until you smoke and get addicted, you can't even begin to imagine how hard it is to quiet.
Both of my parents are heavy smokers. My Uncle keeps pestering them and saying he knows how hard it is to quit, but he's never smoked so he doesn't.
I don't think it's fair to ban smoking completely from public.
But that's just my personal opinion. :) Sorry if I have offended anyone.
PS - No, I'm not a smoker.
I am all for the smoking bans. I will be glad when it is everywhere. I also think there should be a peremeter ban around the doorways of restaurants and other such establishments. I don't appreciate having to walk through the cloud of smoke to get inside.
I was a smoker and I quit. It isn't as hard as smoker's make it out to be. It is easier than losing weight and often people will be more tolerant of smoker's than of the morbidly obese. At least with smoking you can stop doing it entirely. You don't have to keep having a little bit in order to survive like with food. When trying to lose weight you can't just quit food cold turkey..(no pun intended :p ) you have to eat something in order to stay alive. With cigarettes you can just stop. Yes...you can. You just have to make the decision to do so. Those that haven't quit haven't been able yet to make that decision. In my not so humble opinion and experience with both.
Denyce
Denyce...may I suggest you consider a career in drug counseling? You could tell all those heroin addicts they just need to make the decision to quit.
The newspaper I used to work for, The Hartford Courant, has a smoking room. It's completely enclosed. Or they can go out on the deck outside (which I didn't like because there was still second-hand smoke). Of course the walls are yellow (eeewww!!)
I smoked for about a year, only a pack a week. That was over 20 years ago.
If people want to kill themselves putting that nasty crap into their lungs, that is THEIR choice. I don't need them choosing for me for inhale that junk.
I'm all for the smoking ban. They should've done it a LONG time ago. But then again, they didn't know about secondhand smoke thing back then either.
I want to say that I agree that smoking should be banned for good. Get rid of it forever. There is nothing good that comes from it at all. Give me one reason to do it that has no con "You can't"... I been around smoke and it smells soooo bad it is very gross I can't stand it at all. If you are going to smoke do it somewhere else not in public places. Go outside, your car anywhere away from people who like to be healthy :) ( If you thank about it, it has to be hard to quit or there wouldn't be people out there wasting half of their paychecks for a pack of cigarettes. Try giving something you like up forever. (coffee, chocolate). But anyways keep that stuff away from me ;)
*L* I get your sarcasm here and I understand although I think it was snarky and unbecoming of someone whose posts I have usually admired for their wit and intelligence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary
However, the truth is that the VERY first step to quitting any type of addiction is to TRULY make the decision to do so. As long as the addicted person uses the crutch that it is out of their control and it is all just a chemical addiction then they are going to have a much harder time. Once an addicted person takes control of their life rather than relying on the crutches of "it is a disease or I don't have control" then they have really taken the first step towards becoming clean. That doesn't mean it is easy but you have to admit it is much easier to quit something that you don't have to keep ingesting some of to keep alive. NO ONE NEEDS nicotine. Herion addiction or crack cocaine or any other of those types of drugs are a much stronger addiction and creates a different chemical imbalance in a person's body. Even losing weight is easier once you truly decide to do so and make a committement to it. It is a lifestyle change that has to start with your attitude first.
But this thread isn't about addiction but about the ban on smoking to which I say once again
YEA!
Denyce I'm just a bit surprised about how you make that assumption so matter of factly. Maybe for YOU quitting smoking would be easier than losing weight. But that doesn't make it true. I lost 50 lbs over a year ago and have had no problems keeping it off. I don't stress out over my eating habbits, I don't cry if I eat an entire bag of cheetos, I just overall eat healthier than I did before. I personally found it easy, the reason why I had never done it before was because I just really didn't care. Now I wouldn't run around telling people, go lose weight it's really easy! As for smoking I've had a much harder time with that, I've had three failed attempts and I'm sure will have many more to follow and hopefully a successful attempt. But to say that just because you did it then it must be easy is a rather silly assumption to make.
As for the ban, I'm for it. I agree that those who choose not to smoke shouldn't be forced to inhale other peoples smoke.
Well, the poor little souls suffer enough don't they???Quote:
They've exempted prisons??? You mean there will be more freedom inside prison than out???
It is very hard but I've now gone 3 years without a ciggie :)Quote:
I think it's really hard for the people who smoke to quit. Until you smoke and get addicted, you can't even begin to imagine how hard it is to quit.
I apologize if I came off as snarky. Next week will be five years since I quit smoking. It was very difficult. I was seriously addicted from the first cigarette I smoked. I blame no one but myself for having started. But I don't think it is accurate to say nicotine is not THAT addictive. Some researchers believe it to be more addictive than "hard drugs." Ann Richards, former governor of Texas was an alcoholic and a smoker. She found it easier to quit drinking than smoking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Denyce
When I was smoking I, nine out of ten times, would prefer a cigarette to food. I felt that food rather ruined the taste of cigarettes.
Any addiction, whether it be overeating, cigarettes, alcohol or drugs...begins with wanting to quit. But I believe it is more than just a matter of saying....I don't want to do this anymore...and that if you continue doing it is because of some mental weakness. It is far more complex than that.
One of the nice things I will say about living in California is that smoking is not allowed in many places. But ....I can see smoking bans in public places, offices, etc. But I think if a bar or restaurant wants to say..."we allow smoking...if you don't like second hand smoke you should not patronize us" they should be allowed to do so. Then those who want to spend their money in a places that bans smoking can do so and those who want to spend their money in a place that permits smoking can do so. Those who want to work in a place that allows smoking can do so and those that don't will know the rules up front.
I don't see it the same as an arena, courthouse, mall, theater, etc. There, smoking should not be permitted.
I just don't like being told what to do.... :D :D
That was the best thing ever! I was (and still am) thrilled!Quote:
Originally Posted by .sarah
LOL, all this excitement about no smoking!
Get behind a ban on diesel cars and trucks.
10 minutes of sitting in a smokey room vs. a lifetime of Los Angeles smog???
Ai dios!
I know people who smoke outside because the designated smoking room is too smokey for them! Understand what you're saying but small steps at a time......Quote:
Originally Posted by RICHARD
Do you know, that is one of the huge downsides about a smoking ban! You can hardly get away from smoke now, walking along the street. People come out of their no smoking transport, on their way to a no smoking office, so light up in front of me in the street!! I hate it.
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Originally Posted by Killearn Kitties
So true - off to the pub then eh?!
:D We'll see how it goes! Our ban comes in early next month, of course. I'll keep you informed!
Good luck Expect good old Tone will change his mind a million times before we get it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Killearn Kitties
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But this thread isn't about addiction but about the ban on smoking to which I say once again
YEA![/QUOTE]
Ever wish you hadn't started something?
I am glad for you Ubassoon that you have kept off the weight and find it easy to keep off. I am sorry you have had a harder time with quitting the smoking. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses and they are different for everyone. I will if it makes you happier change my one statementQuote:
Originally Posted by Uabassoon
For ME it is much easier to quit something to don't HAVE to keep doing everyday to stay alive. But I NEVER said quitting smoking was easy. I also never said quitting any addiction was easy at all. I said I felt one was EASIER than the other. It is usually easier to run a 5K than a 10 K but that doesn't make the 5K EASY!
I had this huge long post defending myself and what I said but I deleted it.
Even Oprah on Friday's program said pretty much the same thing I said when she was starting her new Debt Diet thing. The first step to breaking any type of addiction is making the decision. It is not the only step nor is it easy, but it is the FIRST step. Until you make that decision deep within yourself, a committement to stopping whatever your addiction is then you will struggle with it. That does not mean anyone has a mental weakness it just means for whatever reason you are not fully ready to quit yet.
I have experience with both so please don't make the assumption that I am some thin pretty little thing sitting here behind the keyboard making blith statements. I am a 43 year old obese woman with PCOS syndrome which led to Insulin Resistant Type II Diabetes. I used to be a thin athletic young woman who danced, played racquetball and trained horses for a living. I went back to college and after I graduated I quit smoking for a very good reason. I smelled it on my beloved cat even though I smoked outside. I thought to myself...if I am doing this to my lungs can you imagine what I am doing to hers? And she doesn't have the choice. I quit that day and haven't had another cigarette since. But then the weight started and the PCOS was undiagnosed for most of my life and now here I am.
So. Good luck to you who are trying to quit smoking. It is not EASY. I never said it was. But I still stand by the fact it is easier than having to make better food choices every single day of my life. I made the decision to quit smoking one day and that was that I didn't have to confront it every time I went to the grocery store or opened the refridgerator. I have to make the same decision about food several times a day every single day for the rest of my life.
The simple fact is you can stop smoking and live you can't stop eating and still live.
Also as a friendly warning....I have not known a single person in my life who has quit smoking and didn't put on weight. Some managed to take it off quick and some didn't. That doesn't mean it HAS to happen to everyone but it has happened to everyone I know.
*L* And this was the shorter post.
Anyway I am done hijacking this thread. If anyone wants to debate me further can we take it to PM's? I have bared my soul enough on this public forum for now. :)
PS...Edwina's Secretary....my cat Smokey that I quit smoking for looked very much like your Edwina. She was a special cat also. It is also why I have always enjoyed your posts. Huh...smoking....Smokey...I never noticed that before....
I think it's wonderful. We now have a 25' no-smoking zone in front of buildings law in Seattle, I'm not sure if it's state-wide. Anyway, it certainly makes it more pleasant to walk into the campus library where I work since I don't have to walk through a wall of smoke first. They are trying to ban smoking on the entire campus, except in a few designated areas but I don't see how this is feasible. No-one can take a 10 minutes walk away from their workplace to smoke several times a day. Even if they do this on their break, they would only have time to walk there and back. Smoking is not illegal so they have to accomodate smokers in a reasonable manner.
Reading the posts about how hard it is to quit, and I had read before that it is particularly hard for women, makes me more glad than ever that I never tried it. There was plenty of peer pressure (I grew up in the '50's) but it looked rather silly to me instead of cool and smelled awful, so I just refused. I chose another "vice". :rolleyes:
Someone from Argentina has mentioned that start of bans there. Are they in place in Australia and New Zealand yet? It's hard to imagine bans in East Asia, or has someone heard this is happening?
I don't smoke in fact i am very allergic to smoke. But I don't like to have the gvernment telling me what and where I can or can't do. I feel that I know what is smoking and not so If I choose to go in I know whats there.
I love them!!! My parents smoke and our trying to quit, and for me I hate having smoke in my food, so i am very happy!!! :D
I am glad to see the UK is finally introducing the smoking ban, NZ implemented the law last year and it is great, now if only UK and NZ could get some control over the drinking that goes on in our countries. :(
Both my parents smoke. My dad is trying to quit, and he IS going to do it, he's very serious. He's stopping completely in a few days. My mom says she's going to. *haha right...*
I hate people telling me at school that my clothes smell like smoke. I can't help it and it's embarresing. Plus it makes my asthma even worse.
I think it is sad that your parents think it is ok to continue smoking around you, they should at least smoke out of the house, my sister n law and brother n law both smoked but had a no smoking policy in the house or around their children, it is the least any parent who choses to smoke should do, they are forcing you to be a passive smoker and with all the knowledge one has today that is just as bad for you, glad to hear you dad is willing to at least try to give it up, hope you mother follows his good example.
IMO any parent who smokes around a child with asthma is very irresponsible and it is a form of child abuse, i know that is a hard line to take but it is how I view it.
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Originally Posted by Denyce
I don't agree with you at all. I have been a smoker for a long time and have wanted to quit for just as long. Quitting smoking is HARDER than quitting heroin. It is not something you can just give up with no reason. You have to be 100% commited to quitting. Maybe it was easy for you, but for me - it is very hard to quit when I have so much stress in my life...
For me, if I don't have my morning cigarette - I will sweat, have tremors and be extremely irritable. The only way to cure that is to take a drag. Quitting would help to, but my loved ones around me are who I would take my anger out on.
I'm all for the smoking bans as well! :p
For me quitting smoking was so easy , however i do appreciate it is not like that for everyone,but i do agree loosing weight is harder in the aspect that we have to eat to survive, therefore food cannot be eliminated from the house as say liquor or smokes can, however with smoking it is a chemical addiction that is the problem for many, each and everyone of us is different, we can only encourage people to quit and support them in their desire to do so, not everyone can do cold turkey, but if you can it is the best way in the end i think, as patches etc still are giving you a small intake of nicotine, just my thoughts on the subject, but yes smoking bans are fair IMO.
what good comes of smoking?? its banned in all places like pubs,restaurants in nznow.since last year. its pretty good. now they have to smoke outside.
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Originally Posted by icedtea
Here in SO CAL, one town has banned all outside smoking! :confused:
I am a casual smoker...I usually smoulder.....And while I do agree with some places out lawing smoking, I find it stupid that some establishments are not allowed to have smokers.....
Freedom of choice maybe? :eek: :rolleyes: :confused:
Smoking has been banned here in all public and government buildings.
Only exception is bars that serve drinks only & nobody under 21.It's
also banned in local jails & state prisons.
I am a smoker who does not object to smoking restrictions in all public
buildings.If I'm around non smokers, I just don't smoke.
Lillycat and I have a 'fave' restaurant, nearly equi-distant between our homes, and they have sweet potatoe french fries- WAH! We can say we are eating healthy, and no one can really say much (okay, you could say something, but, I am not going to listen). I never gave it much thought that there was smoking in the pub section. Until...until....I carried my infant son through that room....
Effective 3/1- smoking is no longer permitted in the establishment, and I am eternally thankful. While I can over look subjecting my 'mature' lungs to such toxins, I can't my baby's.
Like someone said above, smoke all you want, it is your health...but, when it effects mine? I want a say-so in the matter.
To those of you that smoke, I do think it is an addiction. I wish you strenght to overcome it, but, I realize the fight has to be yours. :(