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i just dont understand what the war is for. i think bush changes his reasoning every week. my brother had to go to iraq 3 times, and he got hurt there. i think bush could care less. some grown ups say i am too young to understand it, but i can understand it just fine. im not dumb. no offense to anyone who supports him. its just kind of a vent. i missed my brother alot, what a stupid war. my friends brother died in iraq last month. i feel awful for her.
You're right. Bush stinks. But the people who run against him are even worse so America doesn't really have a chance. I'm sorry about your brother getting hurt. The war is really pointless.
I'm going to be as polite as possible and just ask that this be moved to the dog house where it belongs.
well i wasn't exactly sure were to put it, and i didn't know exactly what the dog house was for. sorry.
I cannot STAND George Dubya. Didn't vote for him the first OR second time. He's a daddy's puppet and is out to make the rich folks richer while the rest of the country goes down the toilet.
As far as the war in Iraq, our men have been there to train the Iraqi people how to defend their own country. We've done our part and now we need to get out of there and let them do what our men trained them to do.
I think that he's better than the people that ran against him but he is awful.
I say its about time to have a girl president!
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Originally Posted by dab_20
First, I moved this to The Dog House, where any discussion of politics belongs.
It would depend on what "girl" was running. I don't necessarily trust female politicians any more than I trust male politicians.
Are you prepared to vote once you turn 18? Serve in public office? What policies would you put forth? What would you change about how the government is run?
i know i certainly coulden't take on the responsibilities. although, i am like 30 years away from even being able to run for president. :rolleyes: lol
You can run for president at 35 ;)
I don't know enough about politics to say whether or not Bush is doing a good job. I don't think he's the best president, but having grown up with Clinton as a president I obviously don't have anyone good to compare him too ;)
oh well than like 22 years. yah clinton and bush are the only presidents there has been since i was born.
George Bush I believe was the president when I was born, but I know nothing about him except he's our current president's dad.
Well, you have time until you turn 18 to educate yourself on politics, so that your vote will be an educated one!
People fought hard to give you the right to vote, especially as you are female, so make the best of it!
I do not understand or support him. I rely on CNN to inform me, mostly because my dad has it on ALL the time.
You youngsters need to learn to get information from more than one source . Be in formed not just what you hear from your circle oof infleance dig out your oun info. go to the voting records of your officals that tells you all about them .
As to the war in Iraq I would rather it is fought there than on our american soil. I would hate to Have 911 here every day. Just like Iraq God bless our service people. and keep them safe
I agree it's better there than here.
Bush is HEAVILY critisized where i live. Most people think he's a complete moron, that's not to say i do, but mention george bush to some people i know and you'll get a lecture on the bad points of the iraq war. I don't really think he's a moron, but i think it's time to pull out of iraq. No matter how many lunatics we pull out of leadership, there's always far more to take the place. And bush isn't entirely to blame, tony blair's in it too....
Too many people are so focused on one issuse they forget the rest of the things he has to deal with too.
Well I know it's probably hard for him. But most people who have had someone very close to them that had to go over seas and got hurt or died, are upset with him. That's mainly the reason I am.... because he's making all of them stay over there. When it really isn't nessacery. And he shoulden't be lieing like he is. You shoulden't believe the media... but in his speeches he is lieing out of his own mouth. There is no excuse for that. We deserve the truth.
We do not have a draft so they entered the service on there own choice , I give high praise for that . They knew the possiblity of war was there I think to many families are not suporting the service persons decision . There has been a lot of units with Montanans iin them that ask us to help there fellow members becouse so many do not have family support, we have a monthly drive here in Montana to send theres folks greetings and nessesities . So to get on my soap box but it seems too many people start this anti war stuff forgetting these folks went becouse they are doing the USA a service to keep us free. and then see the anti stuff makes them feel like they are doing there job for no reason . I'm proud to be an American and proud of the folks that do go so I can be here discussing this with you all.
If I were younger I probly would be there to, but the best a 44 year ol woman can do now is wrtie letters, knit items for them , and pray.
SO lets not make the service floks feel like the vets who came home from Veitnaom ,not appreseacted.
well i support them 100 percent! my own brother was there so of course i support them!! they are doing a really great job. and i don't support the anti war things that people do as i said earlier.
I honestly don't think Bush is a moron, and I support our troops. I agree as well, it's better not to have a war this big on our soil. My brother is in the Marines, he is not stationed in Iraq, but I'm still proud of him. Sometimes I'm not sure we had a choice but to go into Iraq, but I'm only 14, I don't know that much. I pick up alot of stuff in my history class though, and my family as well, and I have formed a few of my own oppinions.
there is a difference between supporting the troops and supporting mr bush.
As to the troops staying in Iraq for a long term, we broke it (threw out saddam) we need to fix it, otherwise all that will happen is it will devolve into a civil war.
As to lies, I've yet to see the President (like who it is or not, he holds the office, please give due respect to the office if not the person holding it) proven to have lied. I've heard countless people who oppose him accuse him of lying, yet it continues to be a classic case of mudslinging......throw it up against the wall and see what sticks. If nothing out of this batch sticks, keep slinging.
As to President Bush taking unilateral action in Iraq, Prior to the war, only three european countries opposed the war...............France, Germany, and Russia. What do these three countries have in common? They are all among the largest recipients of illegal oil for food money, they all sold weapons to Iraq after the embargo following the Gulf War was in place, and these three stood to make the most gains if Saddam Hussein stayed in power and the UN Sanctions were lifted (France, 40 Billion Dollar contract to improve oil fields, Russia, 60 billion dollar contract to do similar work, and Germany, who also had significant contracts promised to them). The three countries also held large amounts of Iraqi debt from weapons sales (many illegal weapons sales) and oil field work already completed which they stood to lose if the caolition forces removed Hussein.
As to the President planning the invasion before 9/11, the US Military has plans to invade probably every non-allied country on the face of the earth on the shelf, and these plans are rountinely updated. Anyone ever consider that this was part of a routine review?
As to WMD.......Prior to the war, there were many US allies (and non allies) who suspected that Iraq had WMD. Check out old issues of Janes Defense weekly at the local library. Democrats and Republicans alike had been hammering for years to end the situation and remove Saddam from power. The Democrats just can't stomach the idea (Senator Kerry in particular made some extremely hawkish comments in the late '90s, but changed his mind when he was running against the President (or did he? Depended on the sound bite)) To quote Naill Fergueson, the question shouldn't be why did the US lead an invasion of Iraq, but instead the question should be why it took 13 years and 22 violated UN resolutions to do it.
Sorry, I didn't exactly understand your post. :confused: But it sounded really smart! :)
President Bush is my hero. He has done what no other president has had the guts to do. He has started a war on terrorism & I applaud him for having the guts to stand up & not back down. The young men & women that are serving out counrtry & the ones who have died. I have the deepest respect & love them for they to are my heros. They have gone far & above the call of duty to not only save our country but the rest of the world from terrorism. :)
I think that everyone needs to remember not to believe everything you hear in the media. Many of the soldiers in Iraq believe in the war. Why? Because they actually see what is going on, not just hear about it from our "media." And remember, during WW II, no one over hear knew about what Hitler was doing, and when people did hear it they did not believe it. Remember, Bush and the government know about classified information that we may never know. Saddam was being compared to Hilter because of some of the horrible things he was doing. I suppose we should've let him continue??
My problem with the whole thing is there are lots of horrible dictators out there, but they don't control a lot of oil so oh well we do nothing.
If you want a fight on terrorism, go fight al queda...not Iraq.
My brother went to war for fourteen months. I really didn't care until he had to go. Then, I really understood. I HATE BUSH! He makes stupid decisions. "I'm going to lower the taxes." That BS. He never did and the rich are getting richer while people are starving and dying. It's sickening. :mad:
I think history will show what kind of president Bush is, it seems like all the truths come out later, I honestly think it won't reflect well on this presidency.
:) Thank you Donna = I could have not worded it any better myself..Quote:
Originally Posted by moosmom
Now you can understand me. Your the same age and your brother also went to Iraq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maltese_Love
The reason I think Bush is a liar is not because of the media. It's because he will sya everything is getting better in Iraq and it's NOT. He has said things that I asked my brother about and it's LIES. My brother, like Maltese_Love's, had to experience the real thing so they know.
Maltese, the President DID lower taxes. My federal tax bill went down and I'm far from rich.
The President does not work in a vaccum, and does NOT hold all the power in the country. While the Republican Party on paper controls both houses of Congress, it is a very slim and fractious majority. He cannot simply decide on Monday to do something and have the House and Senate hack off on it and have it law on Tuesday, as his plans for Social Security, taxes, and various budgetary items have shown. The President is in many cases a small part of what goes on. An example of this would be the numbe rof Presidential Vetoes out of his office. At the moment, I believe the number of Vetoes by the President is 0, as he knows the vetoes would be overridden by the congress he supposedly controls.
Things are getting better in Iraq. There is a small portion of the country that is not under control, and that's all the media cares to report on. If you asked a soldier in the Hurtgoen Forest in Germany at the close of WW2 how he thought the war was going, he probably would have said we were in deep trouble and were losing. Why? Because that small sector of the war the soldier saw was where we were getting pounded. The casualty rate was enormous, soldiers were going in as fresh troops one day and out on a stretcher (if they were lucky) the next. While this was going on, the Third Army was rolling up the Southern flank of the Reich and the war was ending. These soldiers in the forest would never have known it, though, as they only saw their sphere of action.
Dab, I believe you said your brother is a Marine, in which case he falls into the same category as the soldiers in the forest. The Marines are in some of the toughest sectors in the fight (Fallujah for example), and don't see a lot of what is going on in the rest of the theater.
The US is also fighting the war on terrorism on other fronts than Iraq, but Iraq is the only one that makes the news. We have soldiers in the Phillipines assisting the fight there. We have soldiers all over the Horn of Africa, and many other places in the world that don't get media coverage, but that doesn't mean they are not fighting terrorism. I have a friend who has spent more time in Africa over the last 4 years than he has spent in the US, but there aren't any cameras covering what he has done. Iraq is merely the cause celebre that people opposed to the President's policies are using to attack what he has done, while most of what he has done was done with the full consent of congess, including the democrats.
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Originally Posted by Lady's Human
Thanks for explaining some of that to me. :)
If you want to see that thigs are inproving this web site has nothing to do with thew Gov.
http://www.goodnewsiraq.com/index2.htm
Thanks. I will look over the website.
Amen, Karen. Just remember too, that if you want to vote for a third party to go ahead and vote for them even if you know they won't necessarily make it into office. You're still letting the government know how you feel about what's going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karen
One thing to remember.....there are three sides to every story...his, hers and the truth....
Has Bush lied?....to answer that question requires us to know his intent. Has he said some things that were untrue? Yes. Many of his statements regarding the tax cut and who it would help were misleading at best. Yellow cake uranium....bad intelligence. WMDs (which one of his guys said....we know they have them and we know where they are?) Mission accomplished....which he balmed on the sailors..... Today I was in a book store and there was a whole book of the Lies of Bush and His Administration! I didn't buy it as I was already over my limit. Next time.
I believe the nation was mislead into the war in Iraq. Bush shakes the rattle of 9/11...like a voodoo witch doctor...to justify violating the civil rights of Americans. Remember....there has been no connection found between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11. Bush himself has said that. And no WMD.
In fact....many believe the invasion has HELPED Al Qaida recruit. Feeling safer all the time? Take a look at the election of Hamas in Palestine this week.
Is Saddam a bad guy? Absolutely. But let's talk about bad guys (see last week's Parade magazine for a list of the 10 worst...) North Korea, Zimbawe, China..... Are they as bad as Saddam?....depends on whether you live in Iraq or North Korea! Are we going to spill the blood of our people to take out all these bad guys....or will we pick and chose?
Are things better in Iraq? Does the press only report bad news? Those are opinions. Did Bush squander the good will of most of the world toward the US after 9/11? Again...an opinion.
Am I right and he is wrong? Three sides to every story....
Just don't let anyone use fear...the rattle...or fast talk or loose facts and figures to convince you.
Read everything you can. Ask lots of questions.
And remember this quote...."he who is willing to give up freedom for security will have neither."
I wouldn't know because I'm not yet 18 but my parents say they rather pay higher taxes to help the country and I can see where they are coming from.
As for the common sence and problem solving type intelegence of our President, I don't see how it can be too high. However much I would like to give someone else a chance, I know I will probably never be more than 60% happy with the government even though I tend to be on the liberal 'let everything slide' side, I'm not religious and I would like to see the total separation of any spiritual feelings and government, even though that is NEVER going to happen