please go here! :(
for my dear drapples, what do I do for him? (no euthanize I pray!) I'll be waiting.. :confused:
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please go here! :(
for my dear drapples, what do I do for him? (no euthanize I pray!) I'll be waiting.. :confused:
If he is two years old, he might just be coming to end of his lifespan. Thats the only thing I can think of, sowwy. :(
no.. :( ohh please don't tell me that..
we've still got a faith!! it has been about 12 hours since I posted for help, drapples is still surviving!!! so heartbreaking see him catching for breath..
what does this even means? how long will he goes........? anything? anything?!
Gina, I don't know what to say. Prayers are on the way Gina!
Steph, Jes, and Splinter
You might try this website for hedgehog care.
http://www.hedgies.com/hedgehog_health_care.htm
COODEW
I don't understand that hedghog post, since were talking about a fish.
Anyhoo. I have several large fish. 1 thing that I have learned from them is that sometimes the water goes bad early. I always know when its gone bad early, cause my fish will do the gasping aswell.
Also when they r ill they will gasp. Does ur fish have a bubbler to help make air in the water? If he doesn't like plants, then him him a small bubbler & have it in a back corner.
I bought my fish a bubble wands & they love playing in the bubbles. Even my Apple Snail will play in them. Mind u even the smallest bubble wand will be too large for a beta, so just get a small bubble rock.
thank you everybody for the ideas!
I lowered his water, I could see him trying to gasp for air and it was the first time seeing him floating straight! not on his side down on the gravels.
I just check him this morning, he looks a little better! back to his colors, not almost white like past two days. :(
king2005, even though I change the water weekly, I suspected it must was because of bad water, probably. I should try the bubby wands!
thank you all!! I'm smiling! :)
u want a small bubble stone, the wand is too large for a betta & would prob blow him around. the stones can be quite small so its less powerfull
well I meant bubby stone! :o
I just recalled, in his first year, he lived in a "mashion" with filtration and he loved it! he would go up to waterfall part and let it push him down then he just goes back to it and going pushed down... it was funny to watch him going in the circles!! hehe..
Assuming ur in the usa
Big Al's air pump
Small air stone
tubing
Nice & cheap eh??
If the store isn't in ur area order it online. Its a good company & many online people I know order their stuff online all the time. All my fish & supplies r from the store in my area.
& luckly when I move to Toronto, there is a store near by YAY.
They even have Betta foods
Gina I always found that anytime our Betta was not quite himself a little extra aquarium salt would help. Within an hour of adding it he would always get his color back and begin to behave like his old self. Or course if other meds were needed we would add those as well but always we added the aquarium salt too. I will have to have a look and see if I have a picture of Fred around. I think I may have to take a picture of a picture. :)
I'm so sorry delightkitty, many things happened at the same time!
I had some old aquarium salt left and added them the minute after I got your post. that's probably why he looks better this morning.
if no better by tonight or tomorrow, I'll try some peas (saw from poor julius's thread) or that bubby method - we'll see!
I feel SO bad for drapples! thanks everyone!! it meansso much to me when someone knows fish isn't just a fish! :)
Gina I hope Drapples is doing much better today. Healing thoughts and prayers to him.
Hey Gina, I was comming on to check on Drapples. How is he doing? I am still praying for him!
Steph, Jesse, and Splinter
I posted this in your other thread Gina! :( Hope it helps!
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Originally posted by Lexi_Lover
Try and bring him to shallower water, take a majority of the water in his tank out, so maybe its only filled halfway or so. That way, he will come up for air sooner if he needs it. Maybe its because he feels so deep that he NEEDS to gasp. This way, he will know that air is right there for him.
How do you mean GASPING Gina? :confused:
And I don't think he will pass on Gina! Don't worry! :) Many bettas can live til' they are 3 or 4 if they are happy where they are! And I can tell Drapples is happy! :D
yeah, lexi - I saw it, I lowered his water then. I'm sorry I don't understand your last question? if you mean this, he breaths to hard and slowly... thank you for thinking positive but, lexi & jesse, I don't think he's going to make it. :( anytime will come soon. he got whiter again, thinner and his chest's swollen now. :( :(
he wouldn't eat at all. (anything) - I don't want to see him suffering...what do I do now?
*taking a deep sigh..*
Oh Gina! :( I'm sorry! Did you try the peas? As well, check his eyes for me, and tell me what they look like. Kara, where are you! Gina, would you like me to post this on a betta forum to get emergency responses?
oh yes please paula! that would really, really help! flamepony sent me her fish forum and couldn't register in to ask for emergency responses (my pager doesn't accept javascripts) - could you do it for me please?
I just noticed his breathing, he's not breathing as hard as before. just swims frantically when I come closer to his home. :( checked his eyes also, looks all normal. no difference changes.
yes, I tried peas, he wouldn't even bother to try it. :( on more note, he doesn't look like a pinecone either. I think he's really starving!
thanks so much, paula!! I've been hoping for luvgold & bccrazy's help too!
Have you tried the peas? That should help if it is a stomach/swimbladder problem... The airstone should help too. Try lowering his water so he doesn't have to struggle up for breath. Good luck! :(
By the way, I'm sorry you couldn't register. :(
yeah, two peas. they're still floating.. I just looked at him again, just doing the same thing. and is really shrinking. :( :confused: -- where are you, paula?!?
I would try the bubblestone but I'm afraid it'd add more stress on my drapples after all he was trying to work on his breathings. :(
flamepony, I will register once I get to a computer then I'll be able to make new thread/respond like here and thanks!!
You shelled the peas and cut them up into little, tiny pieces, right?
I'm sorry I couldn't get here sooner Gina! I have posted it and many people are on now, so it shouldn't be too long! I have 2 windows up, checking frequently! :(
yeah! it's too big for him lol. I put the second pea in this morning in case the last night pea doesn't taste freshy.
sorry lexi, didn't mean to push you, just was wondering where you went! just do what you can! :(
I understand all of betta mothers are busy! ;)
:( come on, little fellow!!
Here is what I received back so far...
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Turn the lights off, make sure he's in the dark as this will reduce the stress.
I am PRESUMING he is at the right tempertature and in a tank by himself.
Are there any other signs of problems? Fungus, abnormal poo, etc?
I'll read the full story now!
Heres some more info Gina...
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Next, dangle a blood worm on his mouth using tweezers to see if he will take it. If that doesn't work try another type of food that he loves normally.
Think positive!!
EDIT: After reading the full story I would not recommend an air pump with a bubble stone as he doesn't need the air in his water, especially if he has recently had a water change as this will add more oxygen to the water anyway, the noise would cause more stress I think.
Sarah, our Betta helper, has been doing great, she has updated me with another task...
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Possibly another water change might be an idea so the water is as perfect as possible but this is risky as it will stress him out!
MORE INFO! Hope its not overwelming! But these people(especially this one that keeps posting) are doing great!
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Just read my own post on the other forum (which is very wierd) and I've just had a thought! I am now clutching at straws but as he is losing weight and not eating then maybe it is a problem with his resparatory system, he's not eating as all his energy is going on trying to get enough air. Now then....... what to do about this..... I'll see what I can come up with!
oh paula, please tell everyone a big thank you and THANK YOU too!
no this is not overwhelming - yes, I took him into a smaller tank with shallow water and put him in closet where no cats/lights would bother him two nights ago. I'm glad I did that!
yes, respiratory is the problem! he wouldn't be able to do anything. I wish I'd know how all of this started.. :( no food for pretty long so we rule his poo out.
I know it's stressful for drapples changing his water a couple of times now because I had to. the water gets murky with microwhite flakes.. does that rings a bell? or I assume they were from the peas?
All done Gina! Hope its helped! Hoping for a good update!
Here is some more info...they need answers!
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Not the writer of this!!
DISEASE: INFLAMED GILLS
GENERAL INFO: The gill or gills of a betta may become inflamed, because of nitrate poisoning, and possibly bacterial infections, or even a defective gill (if it was born that way).
SYMPTOMS: One or both gills will not close all the way (look at betta from the top it is easier to see it then), gills may look red (inflamed) or not, in the last stages, the betta may be gasping for air, unable to breath.
TREATMENT: Isolate sick betta. Do a full jar water change every third day. Every time you change water, add antibiotic (Pick one that treats inflamed gills) to the water. In the case of nitrate poisoning, simply add one drop of methylene blue in betta’s jar.
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Need more descriptions on the micro white flakes. Can she describe them more?
Does she have gravel in the tank of so does she use a gravel vac/cleaner?
How about inflamed gills?
Some more info Gina...hope you check back often!
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Beginning to think it's either old age or an internal parasite!
It might be worth trying a product called Maracyn Two as it treats internal and external parasites.
ack, can some one send me a sample picture of imflamed gills? I think I do see red parts but think I have seen that all the time. :confused: the gills breaths out and closes allright.
I think I'll lean more to interal parasite! where do I get methylene or maracyn two?!
snowflakes, I think they must be from the peas dissolving. I'll change the water again with peas & see if they appear again.
many thanks!!
of course lexilover, this is an emergency, I would want to check back in as often as I can!!
sorry! there's no gravels right now. since he's so weak, I'd not want him to lay down on them. too bumpy & crowdy for him. but I never use vaccuum anyway.
well, we gotta keep trying! I'm so thankful he's still breathing!! it has been those three long days for him - poor thing!!
Here you are Gina...more is on the way, I hope!
BTW Gina, did you want the link so you could check there, I will be back and forth quite often, but just so you can see?Quote:
She said she doesn't vaccuum........she should otrherwise the gunk won't be cleaned out of it and this can cause the planaria!
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Not getting anywhere with the pictures actually. Can't find anything on google images.
Is there a build up of mucus around the gills? I am really leaning towards old age (Bettas tend to live 2-4 years) or internal parasites.
Snowflakes could be planaria due to unclean gravel and overfeeding.
Is she UK or US or other situated as far as the maracyn goes.... I'll google those pictures for her now
DO apologise to her for all the questions and so on!! Just trying to help! Seeing all my posts on there is strange but reading them makes me think!!
Planaria are not overly dangerous to fish but a severe outbreak is a sign that there is too much left over food and the gravel isn't being cleaned enough. If the snowflake things wriggle on the side of the tank then they are PROBABLY planaria, if not then correct.....left over pea bits!!
yes, the link please.
well, I clean/change the water everytime I see anything dirty. weekly isn't good enough? why this time? :( I've had him for almost two years (november 2003), I don't understand.
at least right now, he's looking better than the first night I found him laying & gasping for his life.
edit: okay, no mucus.
Here is the link to help save Drapples
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Weekly water changes are good but that won't stop the gunk collecting in the gravel.
I'm not critiscising Gina and am so glad that the betta is making progress I'm just trying to help.
It is difficult though.
What size is the tank? Does she have any form of filter in there?