My cat Jolly had kittens Monday! Just a min ago I noticed some blood on the sheets shes laying on, then I spread her legs and there was more....is this AT ALL normal? PLEASE PLEASE ANSWER!!!
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My cat Jolly had kittens Monday! Just a min ago I noticed some blood on the sheets shes laying on, then I spread her legs and there was more....is this AT ALL normal? PLEASE PLEASE ANSWER!!!
is this the same sheet she had the babies on? Or is it a clean one that was put there after?
If it is a clean one take Jolly to the vet NOW !!!! She shouldn't be bleeding 2 days after having kittens.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally posted by kittycats_delight
is this the same sheet she had the babies on? Or is it a clean one that was put there after?
If it is a clean one take Jolly to the vet NOW !!!! She shouldn't be bleed 2 days after having kittens.
If it's new blood, get her to the vet's NOW!!
its a different one, im about 2 call the vet now
Excellent.
Please update us when you can!
Don't take no for an answer from the vet about taking her in. And don't let them put you off either and say bring her in, in a few hours. Just tell them I am on my way with Jolly. She had kittens 2 days ago and she is freshly bleeding. Don't give them a chance to say "don't worry" or "we can see her in 2 hours" "we can see her tomorrow"
Please let us know what happens.
Not to scare you, but Gidget had a couple of spots of blood a couple days after Rusty and Fluffy were born. She ended up having a stillborn baby, had to have an emergency c-section and was on meds for 10 days due to infection. Please get her to the vet ASAP!!!
Please, please get her to the vet ASAP!!!!!!! and please keep us updated.
I called the vet and they told me that it was completely normal for her 2 bleed, and she might bleed here and there for 2 weeks, I am still gonna take her into the vet though to make sure shes fine, I have to wait till my papow gets here, and that will be 1...and then he's gonna take her....She's purring and seems fine, so maybe it is normal, I will know here in a little....I will keep u ipdated and as she goes 2 the vet!
My Rb Mytsi had kitten and through the years my grandparents had cats that have had kittens none of them ever bleed days after let alone weeks later. I don't know but it seems that your vets office doesn't seem to be overly entusiastic about actually helping. They seem to just want to tell you what you want to hear. I hope I am wrong.
Please let us know what happens at the vets when you get back with Jolly.
I don't mean to be disrespectful of your vet, but I do not agree that it is normal for her to bleed like that and especially for a couple of weeks. I would think that they would be a little more willing to at least check her over and rule out other possibilities. I wish you luck and hope that your vet is right and that it is nothing to worry about, but I refuse to agree that it is normal.
Please let us know as soon as you can.
ok, my papow is on his way home from work now 2 carry her to the vet, were carrying her to a diff vet than we called, we figured it would be good 2 get 2 opinions!
Good for you. I think it is much better to see a second vet. Please let us know what happens.
I don't mean to be rude, but isn't this a planned litter? If so then you should of researched ALL about feline pregnancy therefore you should of already of known to call the vet & to know that it may be normal or may not be.
This should of all been done BEFORE you bred the cats. If this was in fact a planned pregnancy than sorry to say but I take it back & I do mean to be rude.
I am especially dissapointed as this is not the first question/problem you have had with this litter. I really hope you learned a lesson and that is to spay/neuter your animals. I understand everyone has to learn somewhere but when you when you have lives on the line you should always learn everything before you endanger their lives.
Do you know that 7 million cats & dogs are put to sleep every year because they have no homes? This number is only for adoptable animals (it does not include sick or injured cats & dogs nor does it include pets with behavorial issues, it also does not include any other pets like rodents & the like).
I really do hope & pray that you get momma to the vet, get her spayed right after the kitties are weaned & that all the kitties do find forever homes.
Good luck!
ok, to the last post, if your gonna be rude, then im gonna be rude right back...okay?
1st...Yes it was a planned pregnancy, and for your information, yes I did read up on all of that stuff, I read what to feed her, how to take care of her, and guess what, all her babys came out fine!
2nd....All these cats already have homes, so stop telling me about how many cats dont have homes, these do!
3rd...Im sorry that no where I EVER read said anything about bleeding, THATS why I was worried, so get your panties out of a wad, and stop being rude! Theres no need for it! But trust me, I can be alot ruder! I didnt come on here to have people be rude and talk about how im not a good pet owner and how kittens dont have homes, I take GOOD care of this cat, and I could care less what anyone things, I feel good in my heart and I know im doing a good job! So..if your gonna be rude, please....just dont even reply, I dont have time to read your smart remarks!
**Jolly....The vets say she's fine, and thats its normal, and that she may leak for up to 2 weeks, and if she stops eating then to bring her in, shes in there right now with her 4 little beautiful babys purring like a motorboat!
I dont know how much more I will post b/c I am sick of these jerks being rude, and I have a attitude, and im really NOT wanting to show it, but if one more person crosses me the wrong way, I swear to my good lord above,.....It WONT be pretty! I am worried about my cat and dont need people making smart remarks 2 me!
Glad to hear that she is doing well and that the vet feels it is normal. It scares me a bit still, but maybe that is just my experience with Gidget. I am sure you love her very much and that you will keep an eye on her and know if something changes in her eating or other normal activities she needs to go back to the vet. Anyway, keep us posted pictures of the babies would be great!
I'm not gonna argue, and although yes I was rude at some factors because I was very dissapointed about your lack of knowledge after you claimed to be knowledgable. But if you read the bottom I did wish you luck. I sincerly ment it. I too can be ruder but I didn't feel it was necassary nor adult like. I don't like to argue but I also don't like people that add to the overpopulation of animals without doing so to improve the breed. I am truely sorry for upsetting you, and I hope you see where I (and I'm sure many others) are coming from too.
1. I think that if you research about breeding you should research it all, not just what to feed & how to take of her, but what complications may occur & how to deal with them. In researching you should of also found that breeding is only reccomended to improve breeds. That means to test your cats (mom & dad) for any & all diseases & illnesses that may be hereditary. A full blood panel & some tests also x-rays to make sure their structure is correct.
2. Yes your cats have homes, but there are many others that don't. Why not reccomend to family & friends to adopt them instead of adding to the population. (when I say population I mean the whole population, not just the ones in shelters, I'm talking about ones that have homes too). Also you can not see what the future brings. What if problems arrise later on down the road & the people can no longer care for the cats. There is always a chance that a cat (or any other animal) can end up in a shelter or on the streets even if the person promises to keep the animal for life.
3. I understand you were worried I would be too. But this should of been researched further to find out what is expected & what complications can arrise & what to do about them. And its not really only about that, its the fact you had numerous concerns. (about the gestation period of a cat).
It scared me that someone who bred on purpose had two important concerns right after each other.
I know you had a problem, but something medically like this you should always call the vet first.
I am glad you are learning now. And not once did I say that you didn't take good care of your pets.
Congrats on the kitties & I hope everything goes smoothly for you & them!
Obviously, you are upset. Whether you have a 'right' to be or not, doesn't matter. BUT, I would like to say a few things. First, print this whole thread out somehow, and re-read it in 5 years.
Why? I am assuming you are young, and inexperienced with rescue, and what the real world has out there. When you go visit a few kill shelters, I think you would change your tune a bit. You can't be held accountable for that which you don't know, or haven't been taught. But, to get so defensive, so quickly, makes me question your "they all have homes"..."I love my cat so much".
I was 8 months pregnant and crawling around a deserted house trying to trap feral cats last summer. I have logged more miles on my car transporting dogs from kill shelters to forever homes than I care to think of. I see sites like petfinder.com and even shows like animal planet/animal cops, and cry.
Your attitude, as you so proudly call it, is better described as youthful ignorance. What you so proudly describe as a blessed event sends shivers up the spine of most PTers. You don't sit back and think for maybe two minutes that anyone on here has any knowledge that might surpass yours. That is youthful ignorance. You have YOUR panties so much in a bunch that it is apparently blocking the oxygen to your brain.
Why don't you go volunteer 2 hours a week at the local humane society for a month. THAN come back and tell us how great this all is.
Nobody was trying to be rude; they are giving you honest answers. You think un-sugar-coated answers are rude. They are merely the truth given to you from experienced people. You need to realize that we care about your cat more than you may ever know, even though we've never met her. We care about her health, her well-being. I'm sure she's loved - thats evident.... please listen to what others have said. Its from pure concern that all points have been raised.
I work HARD to rescue and save unwanted cats. Its situations like this that upset us rescuers.... YES, your cats DO have homes... but SOME OTHER kitten COULD have gone to those homes! You not only endangered another kitten's life, you risked your own cat's life by knowingly bred her - AFTER you said you've read up on breeding.
PS:
Please use proper english. TO instead of 2. YOU instead of u. Your use of internet slang is making you come across as immature and therefor inadvertantly giving the impression that you are ignorant of many things.
I couldn't have said it better, guys! Right on!
One more thing...although it may be unnecessary. Its scary that someone "in charge" of a mother cat doesn't have access to a vehicle should something happen. :( I hope these kittens ARE healthy and don't require a trip to the vet any time soon...not all emergencies can wait till your father (or grandfather? Not sure what a pawpo is.) gets home.
Please do what we've suggested. Spend some time at a local shelter so you can see first hand how many cats/dogs, kittens/puppies are killed each day because there aren't homes...and are alive because people like you want to see something "blessed".
Wanted to add...
I don't think anyone here has any doubt you love your Jolly.
What we do doubt is your ability to put HER BEST INTERESTS above your OWN.
WE,AT THE FOUND CAT HOTEL,ARE PRAYING,FOR THAT MOMMA CAT,AND HER BABIES.
THAT,IS THEMOST IMPORTANT THING,THAT THE LITTLE ONES,ARE ALL RIGHT.
AFTER ALL,I AM SO DUMB,THAT I THOUGHT POUNCETTE,WAS DECLAWED,AND SHE HAS A FINE SET,OF CLAWS.
OTHERWISE,I WOULD HAVE LOCKED HER,IN THE UPSTAIRS BEDROOM,WHERE SHE WOULD HAVE HAD FOOD,INSTEAD,OF LETTING HER HAVE THE BABIES,IN THE BASEMENT.
MAYBE,IF SHE HAD HAD FOOD,SHE WOULDNT HAVE EATEN SCRATCHIER.
I DIDNT THINK,THAT SHE WAS PREGNANT,AND I WAS WRONG.
BLESSINGS,TO YOU,AND YOUR MOMMA CAT,AND KITTENS,MAY THEY BE WELL,AND HAPPY.
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Well ya'll are all so used to making assumptions on me! I do have access to a car, I have a very good car, I drive a 2002 Mustang, I just wanted to wait till my papow got here so he could see...I dont wanna just run her 2 the vet, and run up a bill if she really is ok and I dont have a job to pay for the bill! So dont make assumptions, because I read up on this for about 2 months...I have done all that I can do! Also, I use internet slang, and im sorry, it just comes out when I type, I am used to it, not gonna change it to please anyone! I am not gonna continue 2 update on Jolly b/c no matter what I do, I am doing it wrong, or I did it wrong, or I dont know what im doing, so forget it all! I am tired of dealing with this! I thought ya'll could help, but u just ended up making my problem worse, sorry I asked!
WHAT ?!? You planned a litter and you don't have a job in case of emergency vet bills.Quote:
Originally posted by ainslee_breann_sr06
I dont have a job to pay for the bill!
You should of saved around £2000 ($3500) for vet bills before you even tried to breed your cat.
Just a few concerns :-
: Is your cat a show quality pure breed cat with registration papers, ditto for the tom cat ?
: Did you check the background of both cats back three generations to check for genetic problems carried by both/either cats.
: Have you blood tested your cat and the tom cat for Felv and Fiv and STD's before you allowed them to mate. If you didn't you could have healthy looking but fatally ill kittens on your hands.
: What is the aim of your breeding program ?
: Have you got contracts drawn up for the owners of the kittens ensuring they fully insure, vaccinate and alter these kittens at six months old to prevent even more un-necessary kittens.
: What will you do if these kittens end up homeless in the future, will you do the responsible thing and take them in for the next 20 years or will you direct them to the closest shelter.
:When will you alter your cat ? As every heat cycle will shorten her life span and increase her chance of developing breast and cervical cancer and with every breeding will increasing her chance of contracting Felv, Fiv or STD‘s.
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Having read your previous posts you sound like a typical back yard breeder...bad attitude, little knowledge on breeding, no money for your vet bills and not caring about the fact for every kitten you un-necessarily bred... a kitten will die in your local shelter.
If you want to compare facts.......here is a full list of difference between back yard breeders like you and responsible breeders.
http://www.whyneuter.com/breeders.html
First of all any reputable breeder planning a litter will take the cat (or any animal) AND the babies to the vet within a few days after delivering the babies for an exam, just to make sure everything is ok. So you should of found that out in your research & had the money set aside and the appointment already made.Quote:
Originally posted by ainslee_breann_sr06
I dont wanna just run her 2 the vet, and run up a bill if she really is ok and I dont have a job to pay for the bill!
Besides you're not just running up a bill you are making sure your beloved cat is happy & healthy. Its NOT a waste of money no matter what the outcome is, nor is it a waste of time. Your mind will be set at ease causing a lot less stress on you & of course the animals as they can sense when mommy's stressed too.
And last but not least. To tell you the gods honest truth, it litterally blew me away, brought tears to my eyes.YOU HAVE NO JOB? Oh my gosh & you have a litter of kitties that you PLANNED. They need food, litter, vaccines, exams, dewormings possibly flea & mite treatments & who knows what else can arrise.
Hey guys calm down please! Give her some credit - she is obviously keeping a very watchful eye on Jolly and is only asking for advice
Its seems no assumptions were needed. Its seems we were right on the majority of things. You sound like a selfish, arrogant young lady who has a heck of a lot to learn in life.Quote:
Originally posted by ainslee_breann_sr06
Well ya'll are all so used to making assumptions on me!
Well, la-de-da, you have a car. No job but you do have a car. Woohoo! How do you pay gas, insurance, oil changes, regular repair work? I bet if your car started leaking oil, you'd be at the mechanic, yet your beloved cat leaks blood and doesn't get taken to the vet????
What did you expect us to say -- you came in with an attitude and then got overly defensive when people told you the TRUTH. You can't tell us you read up on breeding when its APPARENT you did not. Oooo... by reading up, did you mean that you read the back of the bag of food?
Yes, I am VERY sarcastic, but you've disgusted me with your ignorance. Its people like YOU that keep me and other foster families inundated with kittens and adult cats.
This one is going nowhere - what about the kitties?
There were a lot of things I wanted to say about this whole thing too but thought better of it for the sake of the kitties. I thought the only way she would listen to reason was not to attack her even when it was called for. It's obvious she is young and inexperienced and the attitude and defensiveness shows that. But I was more worried about the cat and her babies and unfortunately what is done is done now. I don't think she will be back anyway. She seems to be spoiled really and when she wasn't being told she was doing a good job and so on and so forth she was finished. I don't think we will ever know what will happen to Jolly or her babies and I do fear the worse for all of them. I hope not.
Fair enough - I have no knowledge of breeding cats having had Brody spayed as soon as I could. I have nothing but admiration for the work you do for our feline friends and am very glad that they have you in their corner - you are a tough opponent! Well done
A watchful eye will not pay for all the things a mother cat and kittens needs. The vaccinations alone will run to £60 ($100) per kitten.Quote:
Originally posted by Brody's Mum
Hey guys calm down please! Give her some credit - she is obviously keeping a very watchful eye on Jolly and is only asking for advice
Nor will watching this mum cat bleed, help her heal. :(
Poor mum cat and kittens :(
well im gonna post this! I said I have no job, but my cats get fed very well.. My parents buy 2 kinds of dry food and 2 kinds of wet food for her.....she never goes hungry! Yes...I do have a car...my mom and dad pay the insurance, gas, payment, and repairs on it! One time my cat Roger Franklin was sick, we called the vet, he said bring him in, so we did! We have called the vet 3 or 4 times about Jolly and each time he said no dont bring her in, therefor I am going to take his advice! We have used him for MANY years with our animals, and he has done a wonderful job! Nothing is wrong with Jolly, it was completely normal for her to leak blood, my friend Amanda had a cat that had a litter of kittens, and she laughed at me when I said I was worried about my Jolly b/c she was leaking blood, I have asked around and apparently most cats leak blood after they have babys! My dad is a dr, but aside from his regular job, he breeds dogs, he said yes...all animals are gonna leak blood, just like humans! So no, dont call me ignorant or anything else, I have asked around and got everyones opinion! Jolly is fine! I dont care what anyone thinks about me! I am NOT spoiled, and im not ignorant! So say what ya want....I could really care less!:D
THERES NOTHING FREAKIN WRONG WITH MOM CAT OR THE KITTENS, I DONT HAVE A JOB, BUT MY PARENTS DO...MY DADS A DR, AND MY MOMS A NURSE.......WERE NOT STRESSED FOR FREAKIN MONEY, OK? CAN I SAY IT ANY LOUDER?
Not spoiled you say?
Mommy & daddy pay for everything & you are old enough for a job.
Sounds more than spoiled to me. I've been working since I was 13, paying for everything myself. I had to pay my parents rent to live in their house when I was still in high school, since age 15!
And a few posts back you said papow was on his way to the vet with the cat, now you didn't even go?
Me thinks something is rotten in some place! I thought money wasn't any sort of object? After all, your mom is a nurse, and your father is a doctor. I guess they don't live together, since according to your other thread, each of them are adopting a kitten of Jolly's, along with your fiance, right?Quote:
Originally posted by ainslee_breann_sr06
im sure shes pregnant, u can put ur hand on her belly and feel them move, and shes eating ...VERY well..she eats all the time, and she's drinking, she hasnt played for about 2 months, just been laying around, sleeping and resting all the time...just like a normal pregnant cat would do...just....no babys? I could call a vet, but he would charge like 3 times extra 2 come in on the weekend...so im at least trying 2 wait till Monday
The problem with story telling is that unless you keep totally on top of the yarns you spin, you eventually get trapped in them.
If your father is a doctor, and your mother a nurse, seems to me either of them would have been the first ones to turn to about bleeding after delivery, not an internet site! You posted twice, in a pleading way....I guess your parents were busy, and never sat down with you and explained the birthing process. Surely, as medical professionals, they knew all this all along, and you didn't need to bother your 'pawpo' about all this. Right? Right?
Cataholic hit the nail right on the head.
She also mentione MULTIPLE times about the lack of money. Well now all of a sudden mommy & daddy pay for everything & money is not an issue. Well it was an issue just yesterday!!!!
let me refrase this....My MOM is a nurse...and my STEP dad is a Dr...sorry for not putting the step in there! My real dad is taking a kitten to! The reason I dont have a job, is NO TIME! I am a varsity cheerleader for my highschool & play softball! During Aug-Dec I go to school from 8-3, and then have practice from 3-6...and during Feb-May same......, not 2 mention I have the stress of being south Arkansas Vice President of FCCLA! I am 2 busy 2 have a job! So once again, get your nose, outta my business, quit making assumptions, and learn the facts 1st! Say im spoiled whatever, I just am lucky 2 have the kind of family I have.... My mom would rather me be a cheerleder and play sports than to send me out to work, when im in school anyways! She cares 2 much about me 2 do that! Now when I turn 18, I have a secured job at the hospital waiting on me, where my mom,dad...wait STEP dad, and brother all work! My brothers never had jobs in high school, they played sports, and also had vehicles mom and dad payed for! I asked a question about my cat, I didnt want u coming on here telling me im spoiled & all that kind of bullcrap!
if something is truly wrong with my cat, I will take it to the vet! I DONT HAVE A JOB, MY MOM AND DAD DO! THEY PAY FOR IT, NOT ME! Them making a car payment, insurance, giving me gas money....that totals up to about 700 a month.....I dont like to just ask and ask and keep asking, now if she was really sick, then we would take her, but not since shes doing fine! Get my point now? Its my moms money, not mine! She works, and earns it, I dont!...........I dont wanna just keep asking and asking and asking when its not necessary!
Good Grief this thread has turned into something I never imagined, firstly I just have to say a lot of comments were made to you out of pure concern from people who really do have a wealth of knowledge, way beyond my own, and that is something you should respect.
Secondly as this if your first experience with PT and not what I would call exactly welcoming one, you will indeed think it a bad place to be, but please listen to me when I say it is a wonderful place.
I don't think it was necessary for anyone to personally attack this young lady, I don't feel it is my place to judge her life and make comments, I do not know her at all.
I think her cat and kittens sound like they are in good hands, there are many who do not have the love and care that they obviously have, and one should keep that in mind, there is money to take care of them all, and I would imagine the new owners of each kitten will be responsible enough to have all their vaccinations etc done.
I think everyone has been way to hard on this young lady, and reading between the lines far too much, I am prepared to give her the benefit of the doubt, call me gullible if you like, but I believe she is a responsible girl who will make sure Jolly and her babies are well taken care of,that is merely my opinion., when i think of some of the situations some cats are in, I think they are blessed in comparison.
I don't agree with breeding either, and it would have been better just to have her spayed in the beginning, however the two main things are that she is now going to be spayed and the kittens all have homes according to our poster.
For those who think she is immature because she is so defensive, I tend to disagree, I have seen many a mature adult react the same way here when being personally attacked, it is just human nature if you ask me.
The only point you prove by shouting and using foul language is your total lack of respect for your elders and your complete lack of tact. I'd say more on that point but I think I'll keep the rest of my comments to myself because I'd be hypocrite if I didn't.
All I can say though is that you validate the epiphany I came to in high school about the majority of varsity cheerleaders.
I hope your momma cat and her kittens are healthy and happy although I think I speak for just about everyone when I say if don't want to face an answer you don't want to hear, don't ask the question. I know that there are some extremely knowledgeable people here in regards to proper kitten/momma cat care and I've noticed that the only people that have more knowledge are veterinary professionals. Realistically, if you genuinely want some good advice about the proper way to breed cats you have come to the right place. If all you want is to give good people a really bad attitude, then there’s the door.
Don't let it hit you on the way out.
And this isn't meant as a personal attack either. I gather the impression that all this poster wanted to do was cop an attitude even before other people got rude. It isnt right to get rude mind you but I understand why some people would get a little bit peeved.
And I apologise if I come off as a bit abrasive. I just don't like to see people get completely disrespected.