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What are your thoughts on breeders. Do you support breeders? Do you think people should only get dogs from rescue foundations? Are breeders just there to increase the dog population when here are so many homeless dogs in rescues
I personally support breeders. I'm not talking about Back yard breeders....obviously what their doing is very wrong
Please everyone, keep this civil as well!!
I personally will never fully agree with breeding until there are no more dogs being killed and "living life" in a shelter. I understand it is necessary to keep breeds alive and going, but i'd like to see there be absolutely no need for shelters.
Any and every dog I get will come from a shelter or be a rescue of some sort.
I got Heidi from a breeder. I support RESPONSIBLE breeders who are trying to better the breed, but Backyard breeders are a DIFFERENT story with me. :mad: If we didn't have responsible breeders we wouldn't have dogs that fit the breed standard, and we wouldn't have conformation, a sport which I like to do, and we probably wouldn't have some of the breeds people love, but just because someone has a dog that fits the breed standard doesn't mean that that dog should be breed. I have a dog that fits the breed standard, but I am NOT going to breed her. It doesn't interest me, I will leave it up to the people who know what they are doing, its way too much work, and I just plain don't want to do it. I have had MANY people try to convince me to breed her, but I just tell them, "No! I am NOT going to breed her, and no one can change my mind on that." The only reason she isn't spayed is for conformation purposes only, and once she gets her titles shes being spayed. In the future, when I grow up, I would LOVE to get some dogs from shelters and rescues, but until then I will only have Heidi. When I get older, out of the dogs I get (I want three, but we will see how that goes) i want at least one that I can do conformation with, perferably a GSP because they are so easy to groom.
I support breeders and rescue...but I do believe rescuing is better, and I'll stop at that.
I love breeders (please don't get mad at me for saying that:o) It's NOT their fault irresponsible people are putting dogs in the shelters! good breeders find good homes for their dogs and they are also making sure certain breeds are being bred to do what ws originally expected of them:) I have NOTHING against breeders and I support them 100%!!! I don't however support BYB's though and never will:( I personally have never gotten any of my dogs from breeders as of yet, in the future though I will most likely be getting a Toller from a wonderful breeder seeing as there aren't many in shelters/rescues near me:)
I support responsible breeders, but my first choice will always be rescue.
I will also say I support the responsible breeders, but I would never breed myself.
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Originally posted by Orangutango
I love breeders (please don't get mad at me for saying that:o) It's NOT their fault irresponsible people are putting dogs in the shelters! good breeders find good homes for their dogs and they are also making sure certain breeds are being bred to do what ws originally expected of them:) I have NOTHING against breeders and I support them 100%!!! I don't however support BYB's though and never will:( I personally have never gotten any of my dogs from breeders as of yet, in the future though I will msot likely be getting a Toller from a wonderful one seeing as there aren't many in shelters/rescues near me:)
I completly agree.
If there were no breeders some dog breeds would be lost, and if there were no breeders there would be no dogs to rescue ;) . I got Grace and Luke from a breeder
That's so true!;)Quote:
Originally posted by Mandy1
I completly agree.
If there were no breeders some dog breeds would be lost, and if there were no breeders there would be no dogs to rescue ;) .
I support responsable breeders. and I support responable rescues, as not all are responsable. I personally plan to be a BC breeder, BUT I also plan to rescue BCs, the way I figer it if I am putting dogs into the world, I should help out the existing ones as well. I hope to get Misty an ROM with ISDS at some point if she is good enugh, I would like to be an ISDS reg'd breeder but I have no ISDS reg'd dogs lol but this also depends on where I move to. we planned to move to abbostford, only 1 small problem they have a dog limit out in the country, 3 dogs. and they have several differnt kennel licences, 1 is no breeding, 1 is you can breed BUT all the dogs MUST be CKC Reg'd :confused: CKC does not recignize BCs lol the other other is a small buisness, in which case you also need and small buisness licence. therefore we qualify under none of those lol so we may have to move someplace more dog friendly ;)
Yes, I support responsible breeders.
Like Orangutango said, it's not their fault dogs are ending up in shelters due to irresponsible owners and/or breeders. In fact, most responsible breeders also work in rescue.
Both of my dogs came from BYB's, and I will never make that "mistake" again.. but, I don't regret getting either of them.
I keep in contact with my (hopefully) future Collie breeder, as I plan/hope to bring in another pup within the next few years or so. I'm also in the process of searching for a Golden Retriever breeder whom I can keep in contact with for the future.
I can't say I support breeders really because you will never see me talking them up and encouraging people to buy dogs from them. I am against BYB and puppy mills of course, but I am okay with responsible breeders who do it for betterment of the breed. The problem is that there are so few REALLY responsible ones. Sometimes the ones who seem responsible to an Average Joe turn out to be extremely irresponsible. So I never quite believe it when people say they got their dog from a responsible breeder. Not that I think they're lying to me, just that I think they don't know.
My dogs and cats are all shelter babies and will ALWAYS be for the rest of my life. I will absolutely never buy a dog from a breeder. I spend all of my time fostering and doing shelter work trying to fix the homeless problem. I could never justify buying a dog when SO MANY are dying in the shelters. I just couldn't do it at all. I'm not scoffing at those of you who do buy from breeders, I'm just saying my feelings on the subject for me.
i agree with Oragnutango 100%,i only support responsible breeders,not BYB.if there were no breeders,then most breeds would be lost and no there would be no dogs to rescue
i agree with breeding.
although there are some breeds that are so common i don't think they should be bred, like beagles, labs, cockers, pugs, german shepherds and other really common breeds. i also think that breeders shouldn't breed any more then 2 times a year.
Well if it is a responsible breeder, the dogs shouldn't ever have to be rescued. Responsible breeders know where their dogs go, follow up, and always take the dog back if the person can no longer keep the dog for whatever reason.Quote:
Originally posted by Mandy1
and if there were no breeders there would be no dogs to rescue ;)
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Originally posted by Mandy1
there would be no dogs to rescue ;)
And i'd LOVE to see that happen.
I personaly don't think I would even buy from a breeder.
I see no reason to, when no matter what breed you are looking for, it can be found in a shelter somewhere.
All back yard breeders need to all be stopped!
They are sick sick people :mad:
I have no problems with going to a responsible breeder. If the breeder is responsible, they will take back the dog at any time if the owners decide they don't want it anymore. A good breeder should recognize that a dog is for life, and they are fully responsible for where the dogs end up.
Rescuing will always be my first choice though. Whenever someone asks me where to look for a dog, I always recommend the shelter first.
I first want to say some back yard breeders are more resposible than big time show breeders 2 examlpes. My dad only bred when our waiting list was over what we knew our girls could produce and we knew our puppy parents would be.(freinds and relitives) None of our dogs in 15years ended in a shelter (we found a new home for the 1 pup we ever had to have returned Cancer intered the owner had to go to a nursing home a single guy. I ended up keepinng the dog and showing it. Pretty good record for 25 pups all but 2 were fixed by 1 year old no other litters. The 2 unfixed were ones we kept.
The second example is Merlins breeder. She had a list before breeding her dog always had small litters 5-6 pups . Bred to the same male (she was the only female they mated him with)so no sexual diseases. Before breeding K would beef up calcium and vitamins to the female( Neslie) Then after pups and when they were eating they got supplemnted too. She did not wean until Neslie did or at 10 weeks. She didn't do shots but she went above what I had for standards for what I was looking for (thats why it took 4 years to get a puppy for me LOOOONNNGGG wait) Of course after that wait I choose the only one she has ever had with a medical Problem.(he has an irregular heart beat). Wich made K think it was time to retire Nestlie so she and Merlins dad (owned by someone else) were both fixed. I don't know if she kept any one to replace her but I doubt it.
Most breeders I have know (when I was activly showing ) also ran a passive rescues (they whould get calls for help finding homes for their breed)all would take back thier own dogs in a flash.
I personally have to say I am all for responsible breeders, because I am one. Backyard breeders make me sick!!
All my PET puppies are sold on Spay/Neuter contracts, and I follow up on each puppy. My application to get a puppy alone is 5 pages long. I do not sell my SHOW dogs for breeding purposes only, they must also be shown in an AKC event and attempt to get a title. None of my females are bred past 5.5 years old, and ALL my dogs are not bred until they have gotten all health clearances (Hip, Elbow, Heart, Eye & Thyroid.) And I make the puppy buyer sign an agreement that if they can no longer keep the puppy, I will have the first option to take it back, or find a new home for it.
I also only have about 2 litters a year, its alot of work finding good homes and raising puppies!
There is a horrible backyard breeder in my town, and I make sure that ANYONE asking for puppies when I don't have any knows about them and how horrible they are!
that's how a breeder should be sunkissed :)
posted by SunKissedGoldens: All my PET puppies are sold on Spay/Neuter contracts, and I follow up on each puppy.and ALL my dogs are not bred until they have gotten all health clearances (Hip, Elbow, Heart, Eye & Thyroid.)
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I commend you on being a responsible breeder. :)
Reputable breeders have my vote.
And thumbs down to the ones that are not.
P.S. just because a dog has akc papers/and comes
from a show home does not make that breeder
reputable.
I saved this from an AKita web site:
If you scroll down to "How to Choose a Breeder."
I think the links listed will answer
many questions on how to look for a good breeder.
http://www.shoboakitas.com/breederpuppynetwork.html
I Love responsible breeders! They're the ones who keep the breed alive and continue the hundreds/thousands of years of hardwork. Backyard breeders and puppy millers and greeders who sell their puppies with dollar signs in their eyes---THOSE people are the ones who undo all the hundreds/thousands of years of hardwork. I have zero tolerance for BYBs. IMO, even a "good" BYB is scum between a reputable breeder's toes.
Responsible breeders do not breed for money. In fact, they lose more than they gain. Their dogs are their lives. If a puppy does not fit, no matter how old, the breeder will take it back. So, really, the responsible breeder is not contributing to the problem. Also, the breeders I know rarely, if ever, breed. Why? They breed to improve their stock. This results in a litter every other year or so. Many do breed for show...but then, again, a dog show is just evaluating breeding stock...
I have a slight issue with some breeders (and yes I am going to keep this civil :) )
I have no moral issue with responsible breeding, but my idea of responsible breeding is breeding for temperment and health rather than looks for showing. Through the years, some breeds have been bred for looks that have had a detremental impact on the health of breeds. Pugs have been bred to have shorter noses causing more respiratory problems, poms have been bred to be smaller causing joint problems, GSD's and Great Danes have been breed to be bigger causing hip problems, some breeds have been bred to be white causing deafness, etc.
And with a national average of 50% euthanisia rate for animals because there are not enough homes, I will always get my animals from rescue or shelters. That being said, however, I would never fault anyone who made the decision to purchase a particular breed from a reputable breeder.