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Since the re-election of Bush it has become apparent that more Americans wish to emigrate to NZ, the website has had triple the hits than normal.
Apparently NZ is being seen as GAY friendly, so Heinz and others, come on over , you are Welcome here.
I found this rather interesting, so many Americans dis-satisfied with the government are looking for greener pastures.
I've heard tons of people are heading for Canada too! I guess if they are THAT upset over an election, they should go where they will be happy. It would take more than that for me to leave though.
Reminds me of a bunch of kids who get mad because the ball game isn't played their way, so they want to take the ball and go home!
In four years it's all gonna change anyway. I've lived through lots of presidents I didn't care for, but love my country enough to just ignore them. To each his own, I guess!;)
Perhaps they are just panicking right now, and checking out their options, anyway we don't just take anyone, I love Americans, so more the merrier I say lol.:)
I heard the same thing about the Canadian websites, Carole. Funny that Bush won the majority in the popular vote, but so many are so disturbed....... (not trying to invoke an argument, I promise, as I am staying OUT of political threads). But I'm sort of with Connie, if it's that bad here and life is so much better in other places, then people should go, if they can. I'm planning to stay put, for sure (although it sure would be nice to have a chance to meet you and our other friends in your area, as well as our Canadian friends too)!!! :D
Best intentions.
Logan
I believe it! I want to move to NZ! I hear it is so wonderful there. And that there are some wonderful people there. ;) My grandparents got ticked at the US and moved to Canada 10 years ago or so. Now that my grandfather has passed, my grandmother had to come back and she's dealing with so much crap because of it.
The grass is not always greener though is it? some people love it here , others donot, I love my country and would never consider leaving it, just because I don't like the present government, we have had Helen Clarke as our prime minister for two terms now, and I really approve of what she is doing, but I have not always liked the goverment, the National party for one, but it would take a lot more than that to make me leave too.
I am a labour party supporter, I think they are more for the average kiwi.
Yes Tonya on a whole we are pretty friendly bunch, us kiwis, but then I find Americans just the same.:)
I guess one plus NZ has is the lack of population, only 4 million people ,some cities have that alone, I just cannot imagine it, it gets too crowded for me here sometimes lol, but then the downside of that is , we don't have a lot of things because of the lack of population, but if it is peace and quiet you are after then NZ is the place to come.
I noticed that there was a great deal of interest in NZ after the Lord of the Rings movie came out! :eek: ;) :D The landscape is just beautiful!
Bush won the popular vote but not by a huge margin, I guess a lot of the people who voted against him felt very strongly about it, but then I'm sure the people who did might feel the same way if Kerry had won. I too read that Canada immigration is getting a lot of inquiries from Americans. I'll be staying in MN myself ;).
I have traveled some and kiss the ground when I get home. I have not been to nz or canada though but for me there is no place like home.
I can't leave! He's my senator! Now that wouldn't be nice,would it;) Be it ever so humble, there's no place like home!:D
This article from the BBC News Magazine about Americans wishing to move abroad may be of interest.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3985113.stm
I personally think that we all have a duty as citizens to make our country better not to run when we disagree with the leader. What happens if you get a leader you don't like in your new country just keep running? by the way I voted for Kerry....
The only reason I think people want to leave is not because they simply don't agree with who got elected, but that they are honestly scared of what's going to happen to them in the next four years. I'm not trying to be mean - a few of you have even admitted that if the reverse outcome had occured, you'd be scared as well. So I think that's where this wanting to move thing comes from. Personally, I'm scared of a draft, I'm scared of more terrorists attacking us, I'm scared of my money being put into a forced savings plan, I'm scared of a huge stock market crash/crash of the dollar, I'm scared of what's going to happen to our air and water. :( So those are the kinds of huge issues that I think make people think they'd be safer somewhere else. Also I think some people want to leave because they don't feel like this country represents them anymore, and that voices like theirs do not have an equal say (due to the electoral college system). I kind of feel that way sometimes - not one single person I voted for last week got elected to office - but I'm more inclined to believe this is just a trend, and that things change every four years.
Personally, I'd love to leave sometimes. But I won't. I may move to a more liberal part of the country, but I can't leave America. :)
Yes I can understand I do feel out of touch with the bible belt but I still love america. I hope things don't change too much.:confused:
I know that I want to move to New Zealand ... if only to tread the same hallowed ground where Viggo and Orlando have stood. :D
For as long as I can remember, as soon as I knew Europe existed, I've wanted to move there. Not because I don't like the country of my birth, but because I prefer the European way of life.
Not that I've been outside this country, not counting Mexico. ;)
I agree, leave if you can't handle who's in office. If that's all is takes to drive people out that's pretty sad.
OK, enough politics for me. I voted for Bush, so, I wont be leaving. ;)
LOL, Kelly, read America for Europe and thats how I feel .... maybe we should swop homes. :DQuote:
Originally posted by NoahsMommy
For as long as I can remember, as soon as I knew Europe existed, I've wanted to move there. Not because I don't like the country of my birth, but because I prefer the European way of life.
Not that I've been outside this country ...
Chris
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Originally posted by lizzielou742
Personally, I'm scared of a draft, I'm scared of more terrorists attacking us, I'm scared of my money being put into a forced savings plan, I'm scared of a huge stock market crash/crash of the dollar, I'm scared of what's going to happen to our air and water. :( So those are the kinds of huge issues that I think make people think they'd be safer somewhere else. Also I think some people want to leave because they don't feel like this country represents them anymore, and that voices like theirs do not have an equal say (due to the electoral college system).
Agreed.
But the US has an impact on the rest of the world too. If we aren't here to try to change things, who will?
I agree with you, wolfie. That's why I'm not only staying, but getting way more involved! :)Quote:
Originally posted by wolfie
Agreed.
But the US has an impact on the rest of the world too. If we aren't here to try to change things, who will?
I don't think comparing the people who want to leave to a bunch of kids who lost a ball game is very nice :( These people are genuinely scared at what might happen to them if they stay in this country. They aren't running away being bad sports; they are scared. I wouldn't think poorly of people who were moving away if Kerry won. If they feel safer in another country, that is great for them. They shouldn't be belittled or accused of "running away" because of it.
I agree people should live where they would be happiest.
I wonder though, if we ever have a woman president, will all the men leave? Just something to think about! ;)
I would never leave my country because my candidate lost an election. I think staying and working to make changes is much more productive.Quote:
Originally posted by NoahsMommy
If that's all is takes to drive people out that's pretty sad.
Well a woman runs our country and has been for the last 6 years, we have had a woman prime minister before as well, and I have not seen the male population run away in droves lol.:)
Maybe some men would leave ... most probably wouldn't. *shrug* If they want to leave, that is fine. If they don't, fine!
I wish Stephen Fleming would run way in droves ... to my house ;) :D . (as long as NZ doesn't beat us at cricket this season, of course!)Quote:
Originally posted by carole
Well a woman runs our country and has been for the last 6 years, we have had a woman prime minister before as well, and I have not seen the male population run away in droves lol.:)
Ah yes young Stephen is indeed a babe, I just heard he had been struck down by a mystery illness on the latest cricket tour, I hope he will be ok, he is taken too unfortunatley Miss Meow.
Now beating the Aussie's at cricket, now that is something my son and I would like to see lol, but you guy's are just too good. sigh!!!!;)
Carole, I'm getting way off topic here, but here we go:
http://www.thatscricket.com/2003/tes...lt-185x245.jpg
:D
YEA!!!! Let's do it.Quote:
Originally posted by ChrisH
LOL, Kelly, read America for Europe and thats how I feel .... maybe we should swop homes. :D
Chris
I'm packing now. I just got my QM2 and QE2 travel brochure, so I'll come over on that. ;)
Agreed! You go girl, I knew I liked you...Quote:
Originally posted by micki76
I would never leave my country because my candidate lost an election. I think staying and working to make changes is much more productive.
;)
i would love to move to NZ!we have some friends living there and ive heard its a wonderful place.Im a canadian living in America(and my family doesnt like Bush,uncluding me:p )I would really love to move back to Canada just b/c im scared of Bush.and i miss my country so much.Thats the way i feel and i cant change it.:(
WOWZA!!!!!!!! What a cutie!Quote:
Originally posted by Miss Meow
Carole, I'm getting way off topic here, but here we go:
http://www.thatscricket.com/2003/tes...lt-185x245.jpg
:D
Australias website had alot more hits aswell after the election :). But with John Howard taking on Bush's ideas on Gay marriage dont bother coming over here ;). *Packs bags for Cananda or NZ*.
:(
I think, at least for some of my friends, what's happened is that they did stay and become more productive and worked their butts off for the last four years (some longer), and, Bush is still president. I know personally of at least four people that are planning to leave. It's sad, but, I don't blame them. They seriously have been trying and trying and trying, and, rallying and rallying and rallying. And, they honestly see that the next four years are either going to be the same or change for the worse. I don't think it's turning their back on their country, necessarily. They certainly feel that their country has turned it's back on them, though.Quote:
Originally posted by micki76
I would never leave my country because my candidate lost an election. I think staying and working to make changes is much more productive.
Oh thanks for the pic Miss Meow, yes Aly stephen is a hottie alright, should have put his pic up in that other thread, eyecatcher one, lol. and he can play cricket really well as well, c'mon Stephen you beat them Aussie's!!!!
What if someone left America because they didn't like the climate? What if they left because they didn't like what is on television or the radio in America? Would you guys still be saying they are immature, childish, turning their back on their country?
I just can't in any way see how they're being made out to be sore losers. If they don't feel safe here, let them go without looking down on them for their decision. There is a such thing as sore winners too ;)
When the leading lights of your party are out there calling everyone who voted for the other candidate either idiotic, homophobic, or a right wing religious zealot, you have crossed the line to being a sore loser. For examples? Try Maureen Dowd, the NYT, the slate magazine staff of MSNBC.com, Michael Moore, George Soros, Cnn's talking heads.......it's a long list.
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[i]talking heads.......it's a long list. [/B]
I like the Talking Heads..............the band...........;)
Me too! :D LOLQuote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
I like the Talking Heads..............the band...........;)
In our local paper today there was a picture of a Nicaraguan woman here in North Carolina clutching a tiny American flag, tears of joy streaming down her cheeks, who had just been sworn in by the Immigration and Naturalization Service as a citizen of the United States. At that very moment there could not have been a person more proud to be an American than her.
A picture like that puts this talk of emigration into perspective for what it really is: talk.