How Arrogant!

Ok, I know I'm going to get bashed for this because there are just way too many Bush supporters here, but this just galls me to no end. And you all know I normally don't get into these political discussions, but I just can't help it this time.

I've always thought Bush was arrogant. When you hear people overseas describing the "arrogant Americans" I think Bush is the epitome of that expression. And last night was no exception, and, as a matter of fact, he really just went overboard with it.

I'm talking about when he invited the press into the White House - for what, to watch him gloat and prance around and preen in front of the cameras. "I know I'm going to win." Well, how arrogant can you get? No wonder the rest of the world hates us when this is how we are represented....:(

A little modesty never hurt anyone.

I got upset when he did that too. I was trying to eat at the time and wanted to vomit my food on him!

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Originally posted by aly
I got upset when he did that too. I was trying to eat at the time and wanted to vomit my food on him!

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I know what you mean Aly. He's just so smug he makes me sick!

I am a Bush supporter, and I must say that he does get arrogant, but doesn't Kerry too? Kerry isn't all modesty either. :o But I always thought that there were more Kerry supporters than Bush supporters here. :confused: Maybe I am wrong. :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by Miranda_Rae
I am a Bush supporter, and I must say that he does get arrogant, but doesn't Kerry too? Kerry isn't all modesty either. :o But I always thought that there were more Kerry supporters than Bush supporters here. :confused: Maybe I am wrong. :rolleyes:

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According to the poll taken in General, yes there are more Kerry supporters here. But what I said is that there are way too many Bush supporters here, not that there are more Bush supporters than Kerry supporters. ;)

And if he said, "I'm not really too sure, I think Senator Kerry may win", you would be making fun of him for being a weak leader and who would want someone as President who isn't even confident in himself.

Don't you think you guys are going just a touch overboard? Sure, I'm a Bush supporter but when I heard John Edwards say last night, "We've waited a long time for this victory, we can wait one more night" I sure didn't think he was being arrogant. I thought he was acting like a normal political figure running for office.

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Originally posted by Miranda_Rae
I am a Bush supporter, and I must say that he does get arrogant, but doesn't Kerry too? Kerry isn't all modesty either. :o But I always thought that there were more Kerry supporters than Bush supporters here. :confused: Maybe I am wrong. :rolleyes:

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It seemed like it before, but now Bush supporters are coming out of the woodwork to comment. I'm not sure why they've waited :confused: Although most of the polls on this site did have more people voting for Kerry. Who knows!

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Originally posted by Samantha Puppy
And if he said, "I'm not really too sure, I think Senator Kerry may win",

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Actually, it's not what he said. It's the fact that he invited the press in, which is highly unprecedented (sp?). Ok guys, come on in so you can watch me gloat.

I'm not say who I voted for but confidence some times gets confused with arriogant. I gave up watching ads and debates I got in to the voting records of both and made my decision based on the record not mouthing or media.

Omg.. Bush IS arrogant lol. :rolleyes: I totally agree with you and Aly. He only does things in HIS own interest, it seems to me a lot of times. -.-'
*sighs*
About half of the American population, as well as many OTHER countries, are very scared right now... :(

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Originally posted by Tubby & Peanut's Mom
Actually, it's not what he said. It's the fact that he invited the press in, which is highly unprecedented (sp?). Ok guys, come on in so you can watch me gloat.

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EXACTLY. I have no problem with him going around saying he's going to win. But he did something so stupid that is completely unprecedented. Even the reporters were surprised and didn't quite know what was going on!

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Originally posted by Tubby & Peanut's Mom
Actually, it's not what he said. It's the fact that he invited the press in, which is highly unprecedented (sp?). Ok guys, come on in so you can watch me gloat.

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Okay, but I still don't get it. If Clinton had invited the press in during his second-term election night, I wouldn't have cared. I totally know how it feels to have someone in office that you abhor, but it just looks to me that some Kerry supporters on here are reeeeeeeeeeaching for more things to hate about him and it's coming off as a little junior-high-catty-girlish. Sorry.

Ok everybody, I know I started this thread, but I have to get to work, and thinking about all this just gets me sooo aggrivated, so I'm going to return to my usual MO of staying out of all the political debates here. You now know my opinions - and frankly, who cares, because that's all they are is my opinions. So continue on with the thread if you want, but more than likely I will refrain from posting anymore.

Corinna, good for you! I wish more people would do the same instead of listening to all the rhetoric. :)

Tubby & Peanut's Mom, I am in complete agreement with you. Humility is a quality he seriously needs to develop ESPECIALLY as a Christian.

Well said, Debbie!

I think people across the world can see what kind of a person he is .... and it seems, about half the Americans. ;) How sad that he's in charge for the next 4 years! :(

Deb, I remember him doing the same thing in 2000, inviting the press in to tape he and his father and family watching the results come in, all the time claiming certain victory long before the polls closed! And we all know what happened once the polls closed:eek: Funny how this Pres. prefers to shun the press (when was his last formal scheduled news conference?) most other times! That's one thing that really bothers me, that he doesn't answer to the people and gets offended when the press dares to question him. Isn't that what a democracy is all about? And that goes for all presidents, be they Democrat or Republican. This is not a monarchy; the President answers to the people and I have a lot of questions.

And it didn't take long for the conservative pundits to start "uniting" us. One partisan show was blasting, "We Are the Champions" while another was claiming, "We whooped their socialist, panty wearing asses." Not good!

The incident last night with Bush and the press didn't repulse me that much. I mean, it is Bush, the same man who flew in on a military plane wearing a flight suit under the banner Mission Accomplished. To me, that "event" was far more arrogant.

Last night just proved to me that he has no tact.

He has every reason to be cocky and arrogant. He's (pretty much) won this election. He can't run again, therefore he's really got no one left to please. The way he figures it, what has he got to lose? :eek:

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Originally posted by aly
It seemed like it before, but now Bush supporters are coming out of the woodwork to comment. I'm not sure why they've waited :confused: Although most of the polls on this site did have more people voting for Kerry. Who knows!

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I try my hardest to stay out of political and religious threads, but when I think when it comes down to it, at the very end, maybe people want to comment on it, just to let people know that they are for Bush, without trying to get involved in some discussion weeks ahead of the election? I don't know either. :confused: Sure there are things that REALLY tick me off in some of those political and religious threads, but I prefer to stay out of them for personal reasons (I don't want to cause myself a lot of stress-which it would do because i stress and worry easily :o), and because I don't want to get involved in an arguement and make enemies. :)

Actually it is fairly common for the press to be allowed access to the areas where the candidates are waiting for the returns. Arrogance was John Edwards' speech this morning, which was basically a redux of Gore's un-concession speech in 2000

After the great upheaval of 2000 with so many voters feeling rightly or wrongly disenfranchised, that their vote was not counted, didn't count, I think this was the absolute correct thing for Edwards to do. There were a large number of yet uncounted votes in Ohio and I'm sure were the tables turned, were there a hundred thousand plus yet uncounted absentee ballots, military votes, Andrew Card would have done the exact same thing, as he should. It's sad that it's all come down to this. If you live in any of 35 states and you want to bother to go vote, go ahead. But there is no doubt that an election victory falls to the decision made by only a handle of states, 15. I'm tired of hearing for two elections now, that "it all comes down to PA, Fla. and Ohio." That's been the mantra for months now. Neither candidate even bothered to stump in either my home state or where I currently reside. They have to revamp the electoral college, IMHO

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Originally posted by Lady's Human
Actually it is fairly common for the press to be allowed access to the areas where the candidates are waiting for the returns. Arrogance was John Edwards' speech this morning, which was basically a redux of Gore's un-concession speech in 2000

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I'm in complete agreement with you, Lady's Human.



You all are just looking for things to complain about now.

Kerry didn't invite the press in because he didn't want us to see him crying. Same with Gore.

I'm glad that Kerry is conceding today . . . it will be the best thing for our country to not drag this out for 2 more weeks.

I agree that conceding is for the best short term. The country can begin to accept the harsh reality sooner.

For what it is worth, I'd much rather hear someone complain than someone gloat.

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Originally posted by christa

You all are just looking for things to complain about now.

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I am not complaining - I'm SCARED!

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Originally posted by Miranda_Rae
Sure there are things that REALLY tick me off in some of those political and religious threads, but I prefer to stay out of them for personal reasons (I don't want to cause myself a lot of stress-which it would do because i stress and worry easily :o), and because I don't want to get involved in an arguement and make enemies. :)

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Thats very smart of you. I'm the same way, but I haven't been able to keep away from them lately :eek: Now I'm very stressed and upset! :)

You're absolutely right Maresche. We need to move on and each of us, in our own way, work to support and promote those issues we feel to be important. As for the above remark, trivializing the saliency of post electon debate and discussion...

You all are just looking for things to complain about now

Ever go to a movie you were excited about seeing, only to find out after an emotional 2hrs, your "date" has no comment?:D Let everyone express their feelings; it's only through discussion that we learn and heal.

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Originally posted by BCBlondie
I'm SCARED!

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Me too! Four more years of that idiot dry drunk in the Whitehouse? Heaven help us!

BCBlondie: I'm sorry . . . Personally, if the tables had been turned, I would be terrifed right now. So I *kinda* know what you're feeling. I wish I could console those of you that are upset/scared right now. I just don't know what I could say . . .

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Originally posted by tatsxxx11
Let everyone express their feelings;

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So I'm allowed to gloat? LOL Not likely . . . gloating on this board is bad news! I know better. ;)

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Originally posted by christa
So I'm allowed to gloat? LOL Not likely . . . gloating on this board is bad news! I know better. ;)

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You wouldn't be the only republican who is and honestly, I can't say that I wouldn't be gloating if Kerry won.

Gloating can be good:D

With all the constitutional checks and balances in place the President cannot do much unilaterally. It's irrational to fear the actions of the resident in the oval office, unless we somehow managed to elect a sociopath who would then have the nuke codes.

The House and Senate in reality have far more power then the President in day to day matters, and local legislatures have a far greater effect on your day to day life than anythign that Washington does.

Talk to us in a year or so and we'll try to answer your question of why you ever voted him back in in the first place. And one vote doesn't count, if it's not an electoral vote. I don't understand the reasoning behind that. What good does it do to go out and vote if it's not going to count anyway?

Right LH, but unlike during the Clinton years where we had a democratic executive branch and republican legislature, we now have a party that rules over both branches (more so as of today re: the Congress) and a Supreme Court that at best is split 5-4 conservative to liberal, with undoubtedly, several new appointments to be made over the next 4 years. That sort of unbalanced system of "checks and balances" concerns me. As well the federal judiciary (exec. appointed with Congressional approval) is currently strongly tipped in the conservative court. And I wouldn't wish for the same scenario, should the party tables be turned.

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Originally posted by Miranda_Rae
I try my hardest to stay out of political and religious threads, but when I think when it comes down to it, at the very end, maybe people want to comment on it, just to let people know that they are for Bush, without trying to get involved in some discussion weeks ahead of the election? I don't know either. :confused: Sure there are things that REALLY tick me off in some of those political and religious threads, but I prefer to stay out of them for personal reasons (I don't want to cause myself a lot of stress-which it would do because i stress and worry easily :o), and because I don't want to get involved in an arguement and make enemies. :)

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I agree with you Miranda. I've refrained from commenting, and even reading a lot of the political threads up til now. It's been a very confusing time for me, and I didn't even think I would vote. I did a lot of research in the last few days like Corinna, and felt comfortable enough to finally cast my vote.

Am I a Bush supporter? No. Am I a Kerry supporter? No. I did vote, but it was based on a lot more than arrogance or religious beliefs. I went more with each candidates record and what I wanted accomplished in America in the next four years.

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Originally posted by Maresche


For what it is worth, I'd much rather hear someone complain than someone gloat.

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I hear you!!


One of the neighbors had a gloat in their backyard.

It was a cute one, Black and white and little horns.

They only problem was mmmmmaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, mmmmmmmaaaaaahhhhhhh---- all day long.

They finally rehomed it when some neighbors complained, it was sad to see the kids crying on the day he left.



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Originally posted by RICHARD
I hear you!!


One of the neighbors had a gloat in their backyard.

I was a cute one, Black and white and little horns.

They only problem was mmmmmaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh, mmmmmmmaaaaaahhhhhhh---- all day long.

They finally rehomed it when some neighbors complained, it was sad to see the kids crying on the day he left.



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LOL.....you are pathetic. :p :rolleyes: :D

I agree...just pathetic!:D :p

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Originally posted by tatsxxx11
Right LH, but unlike during the Clinton years where we had a democratic executive branch and republican legislature, we now have a party that rules over both branches (more so as of today re: the Congress) and a Supreme Court that at best is split 5-4 conservative to liberal, with undoubtedly, several new appointments to be made over the next 4 years. That sort of unbalanced system of "checks and balances" concerns me. As well the federal judiciary (exec. appointed with Congressional approval) is currently strongly tipped in the conservative court. And I wouldn't wish for the same scenario, should the party tables be turned.

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I pretty much decided I'd completely not get involved in political threads but after reading this.. I'm gonna stick my nose out there enough to say this is exactly what concerns me the most and what would concern me were the situation reversed as well.

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Originally posted by K9soul
I pretty much decided I'd completely not get involved in political threads but after reading this.. I'm gonna stick my nose out there enough to say this is exactly what concerns me the most and what would concern me were the situation reversed as well.

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Get the email addy's, snail mail addy's and phone numbers for your Congressional reps (senator and representatives) and keep an eye on the news. This will be a big deal when it happens and when it does, let your reps know whether you like or dislike the nominee and exactly what'll happen to their job if they don't listen to their constituents--they'll be out of a job come re-election.

Then follow thru if they don't listen.

Just because Bush has won the presidency doesn't mean he can do whatever he wants, same with Congress. It is time to remind them of that....