I FINALLY mannaged to find a picture of a working beardie lol well ok it was posted on another board lol
ok Show Beardie
http://www.petfriends.com.br/enciclo...d%20Collie.jpg
working beardie
http://www.bordercollie.org/pix/robin.jpg
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I FINALLY mannaged to find a picture of a working beardie lol well ok it was posted on another board lol
ok Show Beardie
http://www.petfriends.com.br/enciclo...d%20Collie.jpg
working beardie
http://www.bordercollie.org/pix/robin.jpg
oh wow! I like the working one better. I actually looked at Beardies before I settled on Collies. Marked them off the list as a grooming nitemare.
Par...
Working Beardie of course ;) Par i totally agree the show bred Beardies would be a nightmare to groom. :eek:
aww, they're so funny :D I like better show beardies LOL :D
I would prefer the show beardie only because ai don't really like big scruffy dogs like the working beardie, but they are okay.
Not to offend anyone but I don't really like beardies at all.
lol I prefere the real beardie cause I cant stand the show versian of any breed, all they are is barbies bred to prance around a ring and look pretty, while the true version is acually usefull lol working beardies are all but extint now I hate it. it was funny I show the pic of the real beardie to my friend she was like "its cute I guess.." then I showed her a show beardie and her reaction suprised me lol I thought she had seen one before but apperntly not cause her first reaction was "EWW" lol I burst out laughing at that one!
they look like 2 different breeds. the working one looks like a tibetan terrier. ;)
No offense intended, but the "working" bearded collie looks nothing like a bearded collie. It looks like a mutt, frankly. Not that there is anything wrong with looking like a mutt, per se.
Bearded collies are beautiful dogs when groomed properly. We groom several that are simply gorgeous. They are also smart, good with kids and sweet dogs. And, contrary to Cali's uninformed statement that "they are is barbies bred to prance around a ring and look pretty, while the true version is acually usefull" .... two of the three bearded collies we groom have advanced herding titles, as well as being excellent conformation dogs. A statement like Cali's is like saying if a human is blonde or beautiful, she must therefore by stupid, and not be capable of doing anything but prance around looking nice. Puh-leese.
Not true at all!Quote:
Originally posted by cali
lol I prefere the real beardie cause I cant stand the show versian of any breed, all they are is barbies bred to prance around a ring and look pretty,
My mom has a Sheltie who she got from a breeder. He was BRED to be a show DOG (not barbie thank you very much). He has TONS of herding instinct! I bet if you spent a couple of hours with him he would learn to herd like a pro. He has tried to herd cats, people, dog's, rats, and bunnies. He is REALY good to.
Why Border Collies might be that way: barbies bred to prance around a ring and look pretty, it's NOT true for all breeds.
Ashley
no a SHOW beardie looks nothing like a beardie :rolleyes: the working one is the ORIGINAL. therefor you have it backwords.
Give me a break. Just stop it already. So they are two entirely different breeds then!? Of course you won't find the working beardie with the coat of a showing beardie- that would be ridiculous seeing how it would get dirty and matted in a matter of minutes.
WHO CARES ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN WORKING AND SHOWING DOGS! THEY ARE ALL THE SAME INSIDE! THAT'S WHAT COUNTS! GEEZE, HONESTLY, GIVE IT A REST! PLEASEEE!
We get the point, show dogs suck, working dogs rule. :rolleyes:
Oh Geesh!:eek:
I personally like the looks of the show better, but YLL said... It doesn't matter what they LOOK like.
<A statement like Cali's is like saying if a human is blonde or beautiful, she must therefore by stupid, and not be capable of doing anything but prance around looking nice. Puh-leese.>
No not all, I will disagree. Dogs are a product of their ancestory. If dogs are not tested at their skill, such as herding, then the breeders have no idea what the dog is like or what it is passing on to it's offspring. If I wanted a show dog I would not go to the local BYB and buy one that had no show dogs in the pedigree and was not bred by someone evaluating the parents for the intended purpose of a show dog....If I wanted a working sheep dog I would not go to a show lines or buy from parents that had not work sheep for generations.
<three bearded collies we groom have advanced herding titles, as well as being excellent conformation dogs. >
Beardies in the UK that are now being bred again to work sheep are not doing Kennel Club herding. They are doing ISDS herding. The level of skill between KC any bred can do it herding compared to ISDS is not even on the same page. KC titles are earned on dog broke sheep in little arenas. ISDS trials are worked in huge fields at great distences and on difficult sheep and terrain.
<Of course you won't find the working beardie with the coat of a showing beardie- that would be ridiculous seeing how it would get dirty and matted in a matter of minutes.
And why would a breed dog be changed to have a coat that was impractical for the purpose of the dog, I thought form followed function?
<WHO CARES ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES IN WORKING AND SHOWING DOGS! THEY ARE ALL THE SAME INSIDE!>
Are they same inside...how long can you not breed for a certain trait such as herding which is on the inside and instead focus breeding for traits on the outside such as an extremely long impractical coat for a herding dog ...and not alter what the dog is?
Is herding talent so easy to obtain that no effort needs to be given to improve it or even to maintain it?
If you do not beleive that working talents such as herding have value ...then you will never understand. But I do not demean show dogs and all the effort put into getting a dog to look just a certain way. I know people work very hard at obtaining it. And good for them, if that is what they want.
But for some reason people seem to think that a good working dog just falls off the tree, that there is no need to put effort into the breeding programs and that any old dog, bred for any old reason could do it. People place great value on boo boo herding the cat or the neighbors kids...??? Really is this all there is to a good herding dog? That is a very demaning attitude towards the people and their dogs that spend their lifetimes attempting to obtain and maintain good working dogs. But as I said if you do not value the work then you do not value the people or their dogs.
Suit yourself, but you are closing your mind to some wonderful dogs that may be very very different from what you think they are. So different you may not even recogonize them as the breed they are.
Thanks for sharing the pic's BTW, there is a geat deal of effort going on today to revive the working beardie and it is nice that people are hearing about it and getting to see some pic's of these lovely dogs.
Deb Kelly
Deb you explained that beautifully :D very well said.
Go the working dogs ;) :D.
that was perfect deb I could'nt of said it better :D
Who cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haven't you notived that hardly anyone here cares whether or not a persons dog is a show dog or a working dog. We don't pay any attention to that. Congrats if your dog is a working dog, congrats if your dog is a show dog. Being a working dog is hard, being a show dog is hard.
I'll admit, I like working dogs much more than show dogs, but I don't sit here bashing show dogs- upsetting those who love them. I have respect and COMMON SENSSE to tell me not to express those opinions, even though I am entitled to express them, because people could get hurt off my opinions.
I've had enough of this crap, thank god I don't own a show or working dog right now, otherwise I would be even more pi$$ed.
:eek: What is hard about being groomed then spending a few mintues prancing around the show ring. Not all that difficult. ;)Quote:
being a show dog is hard.
Again, who cares.
Just have to jump in here and say that ALL dogs have value, whether they're working dogs, show dogs, mutts, or psuedo children like mine. They're neither show dogs or working dogs, they're just my kids, and valued just because they breathe.
look guys the ONLY reason I posted this is because quite some time ago some people were wondering what I working beardie looked like, I tried my best to descibe them but could not find a picture, but on another board someone received a pic of that working beardie, so now that I finally had a pic of one I posted it. that is the ONLY reason behind it regardless of what some people may think. :rolleyes: everyone here knows I am against breeding dogs for show, but that hardly means I hate show bred dogs, its not the dogs fault, its the PEOPLE who breed for show that I dont like. look blair is a show bred dog, heck Happy is 1/4 barbie collie, who knows what shadows parents were, or perkys or Ripleys.
by the way to answer your question about who cares? THOUSANDS of people care. obviously you are not one of them.
And what is your reason for posting this when many owners on here own/love show-bred dogs?
Are you incapable of apologizing? I do believe that's whats in need for many members here that you've upset and hurt.
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Originally posted by cali
I cant stand the show versian of any breed, all they are is barbies bred to prance around a ring and look pretty, while the true version is acually usefull
If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.
[and thats what i'm gonna do ;)]
If you havn't tried showing then you don't know if it is hard or not. ALOT of work and training goes into those dogs! It takes months to train them to be like they are. It takes DAYS to get them to where there coat is good for showing. Then, when showing time comes they have to get the dog to stand like they are supposed to and look forward for mintues at a time, NOT as easy as it looks!! These people, and dog's spend months and months on the road working hard to get titles. It IS harder then it seems. No, the dogs aren't brused right before the show, thrown ina a ring and the handler says "O gee, I hope they do good" :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by cloverfdx
:eek: What is hard about being groomed then spending a few mintues prancing around the show ring. Not all that difficult. ;)
Ashley
The show Beardie at the top is Idenical to our RB Kelly, a Registered pedigree bearded collie, won show's in her younger days ALSO an EXELENT working dog, herding different livstock.
Show dog's used as working dogs isnt much harder than just a show dog they still need the hard work before the show ring.
10 minutes a day took care of that coat, if not being a working dog made her look healther/muscler.
I prefer the top dog.
the bottom dog looks slightly similar to Mizzy our Beardie x border collie except he has a longer coat.
Both i'm sure are great dog's
Ky
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Originally posted by Aspen and Misty
If you havn't tried showing then you don't know if it is hard or not. ALOT of work and training goes into those dogs! It takes months to train them to be like they are. It takes DAYS to get them to where there coat is good for showing. Then, when showing time comes they have to get the dog to stand like they are supposed to and look forward for mintues at a time, NOT as easy as it looks!! These people, and dog's spend months and months on the road working hard to get titles. It IS harder then it seems. No, the dogs aren't brused right before the show, thrown ina a ring and the handler says "O gee, I hope they do good" :rolleyes:
Ashley
Lol that's what I thought. :p
Sorta like human models. My sister used to model and she had to train and practice "the walk" and different moves for months!
Of course, it's probably much easier for a human model to do though. :p
I was going to just leave the topic alone, but just to say beardies orgiginally WERE bearded border collies lol
Just for the record, let me clarify my point on this:
I was not saying a "working" dog is somehow less than a "show" dog. Not at all. In fact, my whole complaint is that I am sick and tired of cali always saying that one type of dog ("working") is better than another type of dog ("show").
I don't personally own any conformation show dogs. Never have, never will. I'm not defending conformation show dogs because I own or show them. I'm just tired of cali's one-sided, closed-minded attitude. I happen to think dogs with a job to do are usually pretty happy dogs. If you own a dog that likes to herd, great! I'm happy for you, and happy for your dog. If you own a dog that like to show, great! Again, happy for you, happy for your dog.
I do, however, know for a fact that there are NOT two types of dogs in the world - "working" dogs and "show" dogs, and one is stupid and useless and one is smart and wonderful. That is SO incredibly immature and short-sighted. The world is not black and white. Many tens of thousands of dogs that happen to meet conformation standards are also titled herding, earth, agility, field and obedience dogs. Just because a dog happens to be the right height, weight and have a pretty coat does not make it stupid or worthless. One of my fox terriers is an almost perfect conformation dog ... and yet has the highest prey drive and earth dog instinct of all my dogs. The vast majority of conformation winners also have working titles. Don't believe me? Look it up.
That's my biggest issue with this thread ... and all cali's threads, really ... the fact that she states opinions as if they are facts, without research to back it up. It is simply incorrect that conformation dogs have lost all the instinct for the job they were bred to do, and tens of thousands of working titled confomation winners prove it.
And that's great - we all like information and pictures of dogs. But that is NOT all you did. You did NOT just post pictures of two dogs, for an interesting thread. You had to throw in this rude and hateful comment: "I cant stand the show versian of any breed, all they are is barbies bred to prance around a ring and look pretty, while the true version is acually usefull". And THAT little bit of garbage is what made people comment about this thread. You couldn't just leave it alone as an interesting bit of information about a breed ... you just had to say something snotty.Quote:
look guys the ONLY reason I posted this is because quite some time ago some people were wondering what I working beardie looked like, I tried my best to descibe them but could not find a picture, but on another board someone received a pic of that working beardie, so now that I finally had a pic of one I posted it. that is the ONLY reason behind it regardless of what some people may think.
I have no earthly idea why some people who love dogs feel compelled to constantly criticise other people who also love dogs ... but just happen to love different dogs. Why create hard feelings and rifts in a group that basically shares the same interest - dogs? That is so stupid and non-productive! IMO, ALL dog lovers should band together, respect each other and each other's dogs, and better use our time and energy battling the people who abuse, neglect and fight dogs.
Amen, sister. *Bows down and kisses feet* We are beating a dead horse though. :(
Perfect twisterdog,
One day i'll post a pic of kelly when i can find one.
PS never seen a "working beardie" like that at the bottom, seen lots of "show beardies".
Ky