Ti is going to a new home tomorrow

I just now got off the phone with the original breeder, someone I have learned to distrust, at best. She was horrified about Miley having so many puncture wounds and agreed to take Ti back. At least he will know the people he will be going to and the new home is a to "a friend" of the breeder's....whatever......

The breeder did say that she would give me a little Aby girl kitten in exchange, but that I will believe when I see it. I am not after another kitten, I just want Ti to move on. He had his chance here at Camp Vermont and he blew it!

Tomorrow I should know more of the details as to when we will meet etc. I cannot wait. I will miss Ti Ti, but he has also brought a great deal of heart ache to a household already maxed out with heart ache, having lost Gabe and Grammy Crackers.

I have tears running down my face as I type this. I do care so for Ti, but he is just not meant to be with us here. I suppose Robyn felt the same way about Gabe. I am sure her heart was broken, having to give Gabe away. So Gabe broke two hearts!

CATS! They are our children in many ways!

I'm both so sorry and happy to hear about Ti. I can only imagine how hard this must be for you, I know you love Ti so much. But now Miley will be much happier and she will once again feel safe in her home. Give Ti some head bumpies for me and let him know that he will not only be missed in your home but here at Pet Talk too.

You gave Ti every chance, and he'll be going right to a new home where he'll hopefully fit in better and be a sweet happy boy. And Miley girl can start feeling safe again. It really does sound like the best solution, even though it's a hard decision to make. Miley getting bitten would have been the last straw for me, too.

And if the breeder does give you an Aby kitten, Juni would have a playmate.

*HUGS*

Ti is going to be o.k.... you have to do what is best for everybody. Sorry it had to end up this way....

now Miley girl can get back to being her old self again...

hugs for you and the kitties:)

You made the right, but painful, decision, SAS. You tried, Miley tried, Juni was to be the peacemaker, and I am sure Ti tried, in his own way. Who knows why the animosity was there. You aren't being fair to anyone if Ti stays. What sort of life would it be for any of you? An awful one.

Love to Ti as he starts his new journey, it will bring him peace, too. Hugs to Miley, Juni and you as you re-adjust.

I feel so relieved for Miley's sake and so heartbroken for yours. Giving up a beloved pet, even under circumstances such as these, is HARD!
{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

SAS.

You have been patient beyond anything that is expected when introducing cats. Personally I couldn't have tried as hard as you have and still have remained sane.

May Miley girl quickly bounce back to normal with young Juni Rose and your household return to a peaceful calm place, with ALL doors open.

My only concern, is letting that breeder rehome Ti.

Do you think she'll find him a suitable home, rather than have him PTS or dropped of at the nearest kill shelter ? I don't mean to worry you but from what you said she doesn't seem to be the type to be trusted.

I'm sure you can make sure this new home with a 'friend' exists and is suitable for Ti. Maybe you could deliver him yourself to his new home ? Just to set your mind at rest.

I know Ti Ti has to leave but we all want a suitable furever home for him too.

He's just too pretty, I am sure she will find him a good home.

"You gave Ti every chance"

"but he has also brought a great deal of heart ache to a household"

He is a cat, after all, and not able to reason. Perhaps, it would be better to be a single cat household. Hopefully, poor Ti will go to a good home.

I am so very sorry. I know this is difficult for you but you tried your very best to make him a good fit for your house. You did everything possible, it was just not meant to be. Deep down inside I am relieved for Miley. I felt terrible for her, especially when you talked about her resting her sad head in your hand. That just broke my heart so much that I cried :( She will be so greatful for that decision. I wish the gorgeous Ti a wonderful future in his forever home, and I hope Miley can start to feel more at peace. I am sure Ti will find a good home.

Hugs from Leslie and her furgang.

Sas,

As heartbreaking as the decision is, everyone here is right, you gave Ti every chance in the world. I think you went far beyond what others would have done and are to be commended for your willingness to give Ti the benefit of the doubt. It just was not meant to be. At least the breeder found Ti another home. Maybe now your house and everyone in it can heal from all the trauma Ti has caused. As my Dad always told me, "Nature can be cruel".

((((((((hugs)))))))))

Donna and her fur (and non-fur) kids

I'm sorry Ti didn't work out for you.
You have given him his fair share of time and have gone out of your way to try to help he and Miley adjust. It just wasn't meant to be, for your house, but I'm sure he will find the right situation somewhere and maybe there is another cat out there meant for your house, when the time is right.

SAS, you put up with the stress much longer than most people would! You can't feel responsible for what just wasn't intended to be a working relationship! Ti will find a new home where he can rule the roost, and Camp Vermont will once again be housed with "happy campers"! HUGS!

Kim:)

From everything that I had read about this on going problem you were having with Ti, you have made the right decision Sas. You did more than I think any of us would have done to remedy the problem. I give you credit.
I know it breaks your heart to do this, but you have to think about what poor Miley was going through. I hope her wound is healing up nicely.
Now you can sit back and relax with Miley & Juni by your side to comfort you and help you overcome the pain of this heartbreaking,(but right) decision that you had to make.

I think the breeder is going to be the one who will best deal with Ti. She knows his personality better than anyone. For me to "guess" why he is this way is putting the next person/owner at risk. I think the breeder should be responsible for him, not me. She is finally taking responsibility. As I mentioned, she was very horrified to hear about Miley and several puncture wounds!

I have his food, toys and bed packed, ready to leave at a moment's notice. I also have his cranberry treats that he loves so much. He is fully vetted now and much more loved than when he came to me. I don't think he was abused, just not up to date on his shots and they didn't give me any food or history on him at all. I think the breeder is not the kind I like to deal with....but that doesn't mean that I have to be that way in return.

I trust his transition into his new home will be near the breeder's home and from what I understand there will be a 10 year old boy at the house for him to play with..... As I mentioned, his favorite toys will go with him too.

I am sure I will cry when he gets transferred, but the damage is done and it must happen that he be rehomed.

Right now Ti is sleeping in the closet where Miley lived for so many weeks. Ironic, eh? He likes it there and of course, her scent is all over the blankets etc.

I know this is the right move, especially after knowing how much damage was done to Miley. Short of having his teeth and claws removed, he will always be a threat to Miley.

I have not heard back from the breeder today. She said she or her son would meet me to pick up Ti.

Thanks for listening and caring!
SAS

SAS,

{{{hugs}}}

What a rough situation. Your patience and thoughtfulness are inspiring. Hang in there.

Sas, I hope Ti goes to a good home and that Miley heals quickly.
I know you did all that you could.
I will go answer your PM now.

Now that you have made you decision I feel that I can speak without being afraid to sway you one way or another. Someone said earlier in the other thread that Miley is your link with Graemer and I feel that way too. Although I never met Grammy Crackers either, just knowing that you have precious Miley, the survivor, the one who was able to stay healthy in the midst of the awfulness that claimed the life of Graemer and Gabe, has helped me to cling a little to the past. She is a beautiful sensitive kitty and she has been through so much. She has had a lot of losses in her short life and on top of all of that she has had so much stress with the Ti man these past few months. I am breathing a big sigh of relief tonight. I am so happy for Miley and I am also happy for you. Worrying about which doors are shut and where this cat is and that cat is has to be making you a little crazy. I know I would cave in at much less.

I know you will miss Ti, as will we all. He had become a Pet Talk favorite almost instantly. It was sweet the way he and Juni Rose took to one another but one cannot say with certitude that one day he would not have become aggressive even with Juni as she matured into a bigger girl.

I applaud and commend you for the things that you have tried - the Feliway, the home-made screen door and booking an appointment with a behaviorist. These are things that speak volumes about your devotion and commitment to Ti. I only hope that his next home is as loving as yours.

For now, I look forward to hearing happy stories from Camp Vermont when the sweet little patient returns on Monday. I think she and Juni will make such a precious pair of cuddlebugs, and as Miley feels better and better as each day goes by I bet we see a friendship bud between the two of them. She probably hasn't even been relaxed enough to bond with Juni yet, with always having one ear cocked to listen out for Ti.

Sleep well tonight SAS. You have given it your all and that's all you could do. (((hugs)))

Sallyanne, i started tearing up when i read that you had his cranberry treats all packed up :( It remined me of packing up Gabe's beer caps :( I know you helped me a GREAT deal in knowing i was doing the right thing in rehoming Gabe (and it was without a doubt the right thing to do...although, so hard). And i just want you to know that i am behind you 100% in rehoming Ti. It will be very hard for you, and i wish i could be there when you have to hand him over...but it is the right thing to do. Gabe had a peaceful life in Vermont and my home life (though we missed him so much, was better off with him living elsewhere). The irony of it all. Anyway, Ti will be loved i am sure...maybe you can gets updates on him occasionally. I wish i could give you a real life hug...but i guess a cyber hug will have to do...go give Miley and Juni big hugs after all is said and done...they will comfort you, i am sure :) Pm or email me if you need to...

I am sorry that he has to go, but I feel good in knowing that your house will be peaceful again :)

((((HUGS))))) Sallyanne!

Robyn

SAS you've been in an impossible situation and have done the only thing you could that would be best for everyone. Retraining could take months with no guarantee of sucess and it would be too much for poor Miley and you. Now, Miley will come home and be able to relax and recover. Juni will transfer all her affection and energy to her. After Ti , Juni will be comic relief for her. Ti will have a new home and he sounds as if being an only cat with lots of attention would be best for him. I know you will miss him but it's all for the best. It's time for happy days at Camp Vermont.

I am so sorry for you, I know your weary heart is breaking. But you are right that sweet little Miley girl, your link to Graemer and Gabe, is the first priority. I am so glad that she will be safe and have little Juni Rose for company.
The attack on Miely would have been my ball breaker also.
:(
You are in my thoughts and prayers

I am kind of relieved to hear this. Feeling the stress on you and on Miley the last weeks really gave us a hard time. I would not have been able to pull through as you did. I am also shocked to hear that Ti really really wanted to hurt Miley -this was not rough playing anymore. I would not have believed that agressions between neutered cats of different sex could go that far:(

My thoughts go out to poor Ti who is not responsible for his behavior. I hope he finds a good home in which he is loved and can show the friendly side of his purrsonality.

And I hope that Miley when she comes home tomorrow will start a new life with Juni -it is wonderful that under these circumstances she even started to bond with her. Give Miley girl and Juni Rose lots of nosekissies and headbumpies from us her. Especially Filou sends hugs and licks virtually Miley's ears:)

I slept nicely last night, knowing that this situation should be ending today.

Ti has been spending his free time looking for Miley - going to all of her favorite hiding spots - looking for her! He must have a love/hate relationship with her. Very strange and VERY non-Camp Vermontish.

I still do not know what time the meeting with Ti's former owner will be, but will call again later today if I haven't heard from her.

I want this SO far behind me....... This has been dragging on way, way too long for it to be comfortable at my house.

I am so glad you came to a decision Sas. Its the best for you as well as Miley and Juni. Please give Ti a hug for me and now I might go tobed and have a cry for you all.

SAS, I commend you for making an extremely difficult decision. In a perfect world things would have worked out differently, but Lord knows, that isn't what we are dealt. You certainly were committed to being Ti's savior, but unfortunately there was no way for you to work miracles in this situation. Frankly, I don't think the behaviorist would have had any miracles in her bag either.

The solution of rehoming Ti is not what you wanted for him, but compared to what Miley was enduring, I think his transition will be a piece of cake. We all wish the very best for Ti, and given half a change in the right situation, he will thrive.

Now both you and Miley will be able to heal as well. I think that Juni can work wonders in this area. The other task was a bit much to expect from the little scamp.

It has been very painful to read the series of events at Camp Vermont, so I can't even imagine the stress of living through them. For some reason, my non-cat-owning self has fallen madly in love with Miley, and my heart has ached for her. What a treat for her to come home from the clinic to a Ti-free home.

Please keep us aprised of the details of her homecoming and
the reclaiming of her life so we can experience the joy that I know you will feel seeing her be a happy kitty once again.

Wishing there would be an icon for happy tears...
Rachel

When I left Miley on Saturday, they had shaved her left hind quarters and since they found more puncture wounds, I suspect she will have many more shaved spots. It will break my heart to see her, I just know it. The wounds should be 1/2 healed when I pick her up, as they are usually completely healed within 2-5 days after treatment for infection. Of course I will need to keep the wounds clean and continue meds.

I am going to call the breeder as soon as I finish here, to set up the time for Ti to be returned.

Last night I hugged Ti Ti and gave him lots of love and cuddles. He cooked his own goose. I have tears in my eyes right now, just thinking about giving him back. Oh well. He looks healthy and is happy (and still looking for Miley)...... He will be fine after a few days of adjustment.

Thanks for all of your kind words.

Love,
SAS

I just spoke with the breeder - the distrustful one. Well, she cannot do the pickup or meet with me today, but will on Tuesday after work. She is such a liar. So this trade is put off until Tuesday.

Tomorrow I will pick up Miley. The vet called a few moments ago to say that Miley is doing nicely and not in any danger. She is looking good, quite vocal and eating. They are giving her fluids as well as medications IV. So I am still scheduled to pick her up tomorrow morning.

I will keep Ti on the porch until Tuesday. It is a nice porch so he shouldn't feel so sad about it. He's been there before.

I was hoping that Miley would never have to hear his voice again.

So, true to form, the original bengal breeder is still not telling me the truth. She reminds me of a used car sales person. She says what she thinks you would like to hear, not what she intends to do, or what she is truly presenting.

By the way, this breeder's name is Karen Vance and she claims to live in Altona, NY but really lives outside of Montreal. Another misrepresentation. She breeds Abys and Bengals. At least that is what she says she does. I wonder. When all settles, I intend to write a nasty letter to the different associations she belongs to.....

So Tuesday is the day.

SAS

That's really bad news - we hope for the last time. When you think it is over it is much harder to take it for some more days. But come here as often as you can. We are ready to help and wish we could do more for you:)

Glad to hear Miley is feeling better and adjusts fine at being at the vet's. She's a tough little girl. I would love to have a heart icon-then I would send dozens to both of you:)

SAS,

I have happy and sad tears flowing. It has been so hard on Miley and Ti has had every chance in the world. I'm thankful that Miley will now be able to begin the healing phase. What a strong, sweet, resilient girl she must be. From Gabe and Grammy Crackers to tyrant Ti... Please give her a big, big, big hug as soon as she is well enough.

You are handling this situation with the breeder far better/nicer than I would. (One of my pet peeves: people never coming through on their word.) I'm afraid, I'd have had some choice words for her when she told me "not today." But that won't remedy the situation.

You said, "Ti cooked his own goose," I fully believe that now it's time for the breeder to cook her's. I would most definitely write to the Association(s)... to ANYONE I could possibly think of... and warn them. In one way, I don't think she knows the extent of the situation... in another, I think she knows it fully well and doesn't want it back into her household. I guess we'll never really know.

SAS, you are an inspiration and delight to us all. What lengths you have gone to and what inner-strength you have... I'm amazed and warmed. You are one of the best catmom's out there.

{{hugs}}

SAS,

I am sorry to read that you are giving Ti back. I know that you worked hard to make a home where everyone could live in peace.

Regarding the breeder ... if she lives in Canada please notify the Better Business Bureau and the local Chamber of Commerce to tell them of your experience. If you were very "ticked" you might consider contact Agriculture Canada which controls the selling of animals...

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Originally posted by sasvermont
I just spoke with the breeder - the distrustful one. Well, she cannot do the pickup or meet with me today, but will on Tuesday after work. She is such a liar. So this trade is put off until Tuesday............
................So, true to form, the original bengal breeder is still not telling me the truth. She reminds me of a used car sales person. She says what she thinks you would like to hear, not what she intends to do, or what she is truly presenting.

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SAS, Is there no way that you or the NICE breeder you spoke of rehome Ti, I just think this lady is BAD news. :(

Maybe an advert at the vets/local shelter might get him a nice home before Tuesday ???

If this lady is so deceitful, she doesn't deserve to rehome Ti but I understand you need to get Ti out of your house asap for sweet Miley's sake.

PS. England has a specific Bengal rescue centres, there must be a similar thing in America which will take him straight away ?!?

I was thinking the same thing as your payitforward, If the breeder is so untrustworthy, SAS can you trust her to get Ti a decent home. Just a thought.
I know this is a very hard decision for you, so I do not want to add to it, but was a little concerned about what you are saying about this women.
Just wishing you all the best, and that Ti is re-homed soon, and all work's out well.

I know that I am at the end of my rope. I can only assume that the new home this lady has ready for Ti is a good one. Ti is such an odd fellow that I hesitate trying to find a home for him myself. If it falls through on Tuesday, then Ti will be re-homed by me, for sure. I cannot keep tolerating Ti preying on Miley, so he will have to go soon.

As far as a Bengal rescue group, I have emailed two different people in rescue groups and have no response.

I am so confused right now. I know what you mean about not trusting her to place Ti in a good home. I just don't feel anymore qualified though. I have not a clue as to how he was treated when he was a kitten etc., only how he has been the past few months.

Hey, I think I am going to call the good Bengal breeder tonight.

I HAVE TO GET TI OUT OF HERE. I DO. HE HAS GOT TO LEAVE THIS HOUSE AND SOON!

I bet the vet bill for Miley is at least $400 or $500. I cannot keep this up! I know, no one is asking me to....just suggesting I place him myself.

Who would want a cat like Ti?

Back to the drawing board.

SAS, I am speaking for Robyn so I probably shouldn't even say this, but she always thought "who would want a cat like Gabe?" and then you walked into his life. Somewhere out there is a home for Ti. The problem is in finding the right one. Do you still volunteer at the shelter? I am thinking that maybe you might take Ti in there and just let him hang his hat there for a few days until you yourself find him a suitable home. That way Miley wouldn't have to come home and find him still there and you could take your time re-homing him. Just a thought.....

I am with SAS on this one. If she tries to rehome Ti herself, and it does not work, then SAS would be the one responsible for taking Ti back again (NOT an option).

Sas, I have been thinking about you all day.
I had a feeling that Ti's breeder might not show up today.
I seem to recall it was the same way when you got Ti that she originally said Sunday you could get him but then put it off until Tuesday so you had to take time off from work.:(

What worries me is that Ti will still be at your house on Monday night when Miley gets back from the vets.
Have you asked any of your neighbors or friends if they could just put up Ti for the one night?
I can check with a couple of my friends to see if they could help temporarily at least.
Please let me know if you do end up needing to rehome Ti yourself, then I will dig up more contacts who should be able to help you. Hang in there!

I have the porch closed off now, windows closed and the door does lock! Ti can survive on the porch.

I would love for someone to rescue me from this situation. As Pam said, who would want a cat like Ti? My problem is that I don't want Ti back, but still love him. I guess I am in the same place that Robyn was in..... It is so difficult.

I will call the other breeder tonight. I tried earlier and her line was busy.

I know Karen Pet Talk has someone who is interested but not in a situation to take Ti right now. I cannot hold on much longer. I feel so responsible yet so out of control of this situation and I am sinking quickly. I am also getting confused.

Right now Ti is being very sweet - Miley is out of the picture...but tomorrow is right around the corner.

I usually make a decision and stick with it....and live with it....which is what has gotten me in such trouble with Ti. I should have researched the breeder before I went to her.

Anyway, here's my plan now. I will try to reach the nice bengal breeder and see if she has any better ideas or homes. I will stick with the plan for Tuesday, unless I can come up with a better idea before then. You have to realize that the bad breeder does not really want Ti and would be happy not to have to take him back.

Any takers? Who wants a Bengal kitty? I will even throw in the scratching post, walking gear, food, toys, bed...... I will drop him off.... (nothing in Europe, my car does not float....)

Maybe I should have offered him up before now. I thought I did, but maybe I didn't do it so obviously.

No, I am not drinking, I am just confused right now. I do love Ti Ti but he has to go. Robyn has been there and done that....she knows how I feel, I am sure.

SAS

Sas,

I think any reasonable person who has heard of the episodes
of Camp Vermont would support & agree with re-homing Ti. I
think(strange as it sounds) that Ti has also been stressed by
all this fighting with Miley. You will be doing him a great service
by letting him move on. Your breeder sounds like an very unethical
woman. You're probably right that she knew of Ti's temperment
well before she sold him to you. Ti would make a great only cat.
I hope that Vermont cat (being closer to you) is able to come up
with alternative housing for Ti quickly. Miley deserves a quiet
homecoming and you dear lady need some peace & quiet with
NO added stress.... {{{{Hugs}}}}

Well, I just got off the phone with the nice (retired) bengal breeder who lives in VT. She said NOT to give Ti back to the original breeder. I had emailed her (the nice breeder) earlier last week, and she didn't get back to me. She said she hasn't opened her email for days! She asked me to hang on, get tranquilizers from the vet for Ti and then she will contact current bengal owners and offer him out that way. That also means that I will have him around for a while longer. I will ask the vet tomorrow - if he will give me some cream amitripeline (sp) for his ear to keep him quiet until and while he is being placed.

I will call the not so great breeder tomorrow and cancel Ti's return to her. Everyone who said I was wrong for trying to return him, was right. What was I thinking? If you saw Miley at the vet's you would know that I have reached my limit and any way to get Ti out of here sounded good to me. Re-thinking it, Ti needs to go to a good home, one that I know will work for him.

I was so very frank with the nice breeder, insisting that Ti has to leave here....no room for movement on that issue. She said it is not uncommon for Bengals to hunt out/down weaker cats and try to harm them. She said the original breeder didn't do me any favors by giving me an aggressive cat with a cat like Miley. Oh well, I knew that.

So, Tuesday is off. It may take a couple of weeks to get him placed! Yikes.

SAS

Sas, I am so glad that the nice Bengal breeder has gotten back to you to help find Ti a good home. I will send you a PM in a minute.:)