my mom wants a mini schnauzer to breed. we had one before and she loved breedig her.she died but she wants another.
i want a dachshund. i love the breed and would love to breed them.
what breed should we breed?:confused:
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my mom wants a mini schnauzer to breed. we had one before and she loved breedig her.she died but she wants another.
i want a dachshund. i love the breed and would love to breed them.
what breed should we breed?:confused:
I would say neither.
I agree with Liana...leave the breeding to the experts as in RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS....there are too many dogs out there as it is....and people like you who breed "for fun" dont help at all! :mad:
I say neither:mad: Why in the world would you want to do that! There are too many dogs out there that need homes as it is:(
I cannot believe you would even post that here. I think you just do stuff like that to make us mad.
I recommend neither, maybe you and your mom should see some statistics of how many dogs there are without homes.
Just because it is fun, is no reason to breed dogs.
Go to a shelter and adopt a dog, and save it's life.
PLEASE DO NOT BREED ANY DOGS
I have not a clue as to what this means!
Delima is a problem
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Originally posted by sasvermont
I have not a clue as to what this means!
lolol:D
di·lem·ma
A situation that requires a choice between options that are or seem equally unfavorable or mutually exclusive.
Usage Problem. A problem that seems to defy a satisfactory solution.
Logic. An argument that presents two alternatives, each of which has the same consequence.
It seems to me that what you have is definitely not a true dilemma (correct spelling). You post pictures of homeless dogs in horrible situations for us all the time, so I know you understand the huge problem with pleasure or backyard breeding. I'm also sure you knew what kind of response you would get here, so I will go ahead and go on record, agreeing with the majority. Both of you need to look at your desires again in a more realistic manner and do what is right for any potential dog you get, concentrating on loving it and not the puppies and money it can bring you.
Very well said Logan.
Is your dog so cute you wish you could fill the world with creatures just like her? Many owners feel this way about their pets. Some even see breeding as a way to make some extra money, through the sale of the litter.
What many people do not realize is that breeding can have serious medical as well as social consequences. It can also be unexpectedly expensive. Although we at VetCentric support the efforts of responsible professional dog breeders, when it comes to letting puppies proliferate in the laundry room or the backyard, we have to give owners a strong thumbs down.
If you are considering perpetuating your dog’s gene pool, we urge you to first carefully consider these Eight Good Reasons Not to Breed Your Dog.
1. Not all dogs are built to be bred.
Most pets, although lovable, are not of breeding quality because they have genetic defects and other problems that should not be perpetuated. People who breed dogs for a living are very careful about choosing which dogs they will breed together based on physical characteristics and behavior. Some people decide that it would be fun to breed and just start looking for a dog that has the proper equipment and is willing. This can be a huge mistake.
2. There are already too many dogs in the world.
Breeding your pet is a serious endeavor and should not be taken lightly. There are far too many pets that end up in shelters without good homes. If your breed of dog has large litters, what will you do if you are unable to sell the puppies? Do you really want to contribute to the massive problem of pet overpopulation?
3. Dogs that aren’t neutered face serious health risks.
Consider your dog’s own health. Male dogs that are neutered are less likely to be hit by cars, because unaltered males have a very strong urge to roam and find a fertile female. Male dogs will go over or under fences, through doors and windows, and will pull leashes out of unsuspecting hands in quest of a mate.
Additionally, neutering greatly reduces the incidence of prostatic disease and eliminates testicular cancer in males, and cuts down on breast cancer in females. The possibility of uterine infections is also eliminated by spaying.
4. Female dogs used for breeding may have unwelcome visitors.
If you spay your dog, you will not have to chase persistent male dogs out of your yard. Also, you won’t have to worry about cleaning up messy heat cycles.
5. Be prepared to work like a dog when your pet goes into labor.
Many people do not realize just how much work and expense is involved with letting dogs have puppies. Getting the mother through pregnancy is the easy part, but labor is truly laborious for dog and owner alike. Dogs usually decide to have their puppies at the most inconvenient times, like 2:00 in the morning when veterinary hospitals are closed.
If your pet develops a problem during delivery, it means at least the expense of an emergency call. If the complications are life threatening, you must be prepared, especially if you have a breed of dog that has a broad head like a pug, to pay for an emergency C-section. It is very distressing to have to leave home in the middle of the night, worry about your pet, get a large veterinary bill and then try to explain to your boss why you cannot possibly come to work the next day.
6. It can be devastating when the puppies die.
There is always the prospect of the loss of some or all of the puppies. A neonatal mortality rate of 10 to 30 percent is considered normal. And, it’s easy to lose a puppy if you don’t have the experience or knowledge to care for newborns. Because puppies are not able to regulate their own body temperature initially, you may need to supplement their environment with heat.
7. Not all dogs make the best mothers.
If your female doesn’t have enough milk to feed all its puppies, or decides that feeding her offspring is not her cup of tea, it will be your responsibility to provide them with nutrition every three to four hours, round the clock. And how many mouths are there to feed?
Another aspect of puppy care that you can look forward to if your dog wants nothing to do with her brood is the manual stimulation of urination and defecation. Until puppies are three weeks old they will only void if directly stimulated. If mom isn’t doing this, you will need to take a moistened cotton ball and gently rub the urogenital area until the babes begin to urinate and pass stool. Failure to do this can result in some pretty unhappy puppies.
8. Good luck seeing a profit!
Your last responsibility before they go to a new home is to have them dewormed, vaccinated, and examined by a veterinarian. You will want to make sure that you have budgeted a sufficient amount for this purpose. Needless to say, if you decide to breed mixed breed puppies, you have no opportunity to recoup this expense.
Puppies are a lot of fun and it can be very exciting when they are born, but more often than not, owners find themselves in over their heads when they decide to endeavor into breeding.
Article republished here with permission from VetCentric.com
Copyright(c) 2000 by VetCentric.com
Why People want to breed dogs, and why they shouldn't.
Almost everybody loves puppies. Who could resist that sweet puppy breath or soft, downy fur?
Unfortunately, when it comes to dog breeding, a love of puppies is simply not enough to breed your dog. Hundreds of puppies are born every day, and hundreds of adorable puppies are put to sleep in shelters across North America. We have a serious pet overpopulation problem right now.
The Reasons People Want to Breed Their Dog
I want another one just like my dog.
I want to make money.
I want my children to witness the miracle of birth.
Puppies are cute, there's always people who want puppies.
The Reasons People Should NOT Breed Their Dogs
I want another one just like my dog.
This never works according to plan. When a dog gets pregnant, the puppies will take the father's traits, personality, and physical, and the mother's traits, and mix them up, taking some of one, some of another, and developing their own altogether. You will never get a perfect match. In stead you may end up with the worst traits of both dogs.
Even cloning a dog (see "Cloning Your Dog") has proven that while a genetic match is possible, looks and temperament are still in the hands of Fate.
I want to make money.
I can't believe people can still think they can make money off of puppies. The cost of breeding will overshadow any profits you think to make. The puppies need their first shots before going to their new homes, the mother needs frequent check-ups, and heaven forbid if something goes wrong. And something always goes wrong.
I want my children to witness the miracle of birth.
This "miracle" can now be easily viewed by both children and adults thanks to such wonderful programming as "A Baby Story" and "Maternity Ward", both available on cable television.
Not only that, but how much of a "miracle" will your child be seeing if your beloved pet dies halfway through delivery?
Puppies are cute, there's always people who want puppies.
No, unfortunately this is the most ignorant assumption made these days. Not everybody wants puppies. Hundreds die everyday because of the lack of homes. How heartbreaking to hold a twelve week old puppy and put her to sleep because somebody thought for sure there would be somebody else who wanted her.
For every puppy born, three die in shelters. There are too many out there and not enough homes for them all.
If this is not enough reasons to stop you from breeding your dog, then here are a few more:
Complications in birth and pregnancies happen all the time. You could face losing your dog to death, and all the puppies with her. Will YOU pay the $1200.00 for a much-needed emergency cesarean section when she cannot deliver the pups?
What about sexually-transmitted diseases? That stud dog you had pickled out may have one. They are more common than you think.
How about genetic diseases? They abound.
Breeding is not a careless affair, it is so much more than bringing bitch and stud together during a heat cycle.
Please think it over carefully.
Recommended Reading
• Successful Dog Breeding
• Canine Reproduction: The Breeder's Guide
• Breeding a Litter: The Complete Book of Prenatal and Postnatal Care
• The Standard Book of Dog Breeding
• The Complete Book of Dog Breeding
• The Genetics of the Dog
• Breeding Dogs for Dummies
• Dog Breeding for Professionals
• The Joy of Breeding Your Own Show Dog
Dilemma in my dictionary is a Nelly song.
As for the subject. I agree with everyone else. Do not breed.
dont breed because it is wrone to do so, why would you want to up the risk of canser in your female and male dog, + up the risk of homless puppies in the world. It is pointless. please dont breed. !! :(
Wow, I just looked. She's only 14. Definatly shouldn't be breeding dogs, and if her mother buys her dogs to breed then her mother really needs to be educated.
Please don't breed. I am against all backyard breeders. Millions of dogs die a year all over the world. And there are ten STRAY dogs for every person on this earth. Imagine how many more dogs that aren't stray. We don't need any more.
Even if you do breed, you can't be proud to sy that you are a good breeder. A good breeder researches, has many breeding dogs, keeps pedigrees, takes special care that thier dogs are vet checked every six months, has their dogs' elbows, hips and eyes certified, does something with their dogs (eg conformation, agility, diving, flyball, obedience) and has the money to keep all of it up. Breeding is vry expensive, and their is absolutley no profit. But a good breeder doesn't care about profit, they only care about making the breed better.
:rolleyes: at everyone else
I say its your choice:) as long as the dog is healthy and fites their standerd, AND you have buyers lined up already and are prepared to keep any and all the pups if need be.
for everyone else did you ever stop to think that ALL responsable breeders had to start somewhere?? if you notice she does NOT have the dogs yet, she is asking whch breed would be better to breed, I am sure she is going to look for a GOOD pedigreed dog, and keep records etc.. also she said her MOM wants another dog to breed, and that she has experience. I plan to breed misty when she is older, woop de doo, and I dont plane to take her to the vet every 6 months we dont take our dogs to the vet once a year, nor do they get shots, big deal, its a different style. she asked a question and she gets a war, I am not saying she should breed i dont know her, but neither do you guys. this thread is WAY out of line.
:rolleyes: at cali
How can you say it's out of line? We just answered what she asked for. I think your looking too much into it.
A responsible breeder knows completly, a hundred percent about the breed of dog and should usually only have one in mind. (maybe think about breeding another later on) Not two, and then ask which one should be bred.Quote:
for everyone else did you ever stop to think that ALL responsable breeders had to start somewhere??
:rolleyes: at cali too.
She asked a question, and she got our answers to it. If we just said "oh yeah go ahead and breed" to everyone who wanted to breed their dog, we woud have thousands upon thousands of MORE dogs ending up in shelters, and being put to sleep. Thats why I always say...LEAVE IT UP TO THE RESPONSIBLE BREEDERS!
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NOT true. I know plenty of VERY responsible breeders who dont take there dogs for regulare check-ups or shots, of coarse she will be health checked and all that, I am not stupid. its called NATURAL REARING. and some of the healthiest dogs are raised this way.Quote:
If you plan to breed when Misty is older she HAS to go to the vet and get regular check ups...that is if you want to be a RESPONSIBLE breeder
primebella, maybe so, but I like to give people a fair chance, I know what it is like to be judged so quickly, one site I was framed a girl hated me so she sent herself a nasty e-mail saying it was from me, I was kicked off the board and treated like dirt I was called all sorts of things, the whole time I did not have any idea why I was getting nasy PMs and e-mails, then banned from the board, I found out later what happend. after that, I know what is liek to be judged and i give everyone a fair chance.
I never said you were stupid. So, let me get this staight..you know responsible breeders who dont even get their dogs the proper health care or shots?? :rolleyes:
yes like I said natural rearing, and I know 3 of them, a sheltie breeder, a great dane breeder, and an ibizen(sp?) hound breeder. obvously not here(this board) but natural rearing is gaining popularity, even happys breeder is becoming a natural rearer.
I never said to not give anyone a fair chance. I just don't see the logic in what she wants to do. And I have been judged by tons of people and I hate it. People are shallow, what do you want? I'm sorry about what happened to you, but I've been through it to. However, I think this is different. She comes here, tells us nothing about how good of a breeder she would be, tells us two breeds her and her mother like and ask which ones she should breed. That sounds pretty darn irresponsible to me.Quote:
primebella, maybe so, but I like to give people a fair chance, I know what it is like to be judged so quickly, one site I was framed a girl hated me so she sent herself a nasty e-mail saying it was from me, I was kicked off the board and treated like dirt I was called all sorts of things, the whole time I did not have any idea why I was getting nasy PMs and e-mails, then banned from the board, I found out later what happend. after that, I know what is liek to be judged and i give everyone a fair chance. [/B]
Whether you are a breeder or not, I don't believe any responsible pet owner should let their dog go without regular check-ups or shots.Quote:
NOT true. I know plenty of VERY responsible breeders who dont take there dogs for regulare check-ups or shots
Right. All dogs need their shots and regular check ups, ESSPECIALLY if you plan to breed. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
AT CALI :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
She asked for our opinions/suggestions, we gave them to her. I highly doubt at the age of 14 she his resposible/educated enough to breed an animal responsibly.
That's so incredibly STUPID!!!! Should human babies never see the Dr or get their vaccinations? NO! Animal care is no different.Quote:
Originally posted by GoldenRetrLuver
I never said you were stupid. So, let me get this staight..you know responsible breeders who dont even get their dogs the proper health care or shots?? :rolleyes:
Why do people continue to be so irresponsible? I'll never understand. Maybe it's best that I don't try. I only end up frustrated.
Only responsible, breeders with enough knowleedge to do so, should. Period. End of story. And I personally think there should even be some regulation for professional breeders, though I know that won't ever happen. :rolleyes:
apperently people here are against holistics and all for allopathy. I go the holistic way, they are NOT vaccinated and i dont plane on ever doing so. my dogs are some of the healthiest around now. before we switched our dogs to holistic they were in terrable condition, they had their shots, and were fed a premium food, and went to the vet regularly, mainly cuz they needed to, happy got really sick when she was a pup after her second set of shots, we almost lost her, she was throwing up all the time, and had to be fed water through a tube, turned out to be vaccinosis(sp?) and we put off her spay, until she was better, we started doing research, and tried holistic methods, no more shots for any of the dogs, raw food, and guess what, all of a sudden the dogs were healthy, since then(3 years ago) we have never needed a vet, everyone is amazed a the difference. I dont believe in vaccinating, get over it. just because YOU dont agree with it does not make me irrisponsable. :rolleyes:
What if your dogs come in contact with a sick dog and your dog catches whatever that dog had. Would you not take it to the vet and get shots to make it better?
lol believe is ot not but I do know someone who does the same with there baby lolQuote:
Should human babies never see the Dr or get their vaccinations? NO! Animal care is no different
That doesnt make any sence. You had your dogs vet cared, fed them good quailty food, and they all became incredibly sick. We have our own opinins also. So, YOU get over it. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: cali, what you just said seems incredibly impossible. Seeing the doctor and getting shots made them sick, not getting proper vet care made them better. Anyways, I don't care what method you use. It's your dogs.
I'm just sorry on how this thread got so long. I have a feeling it was done on purpose to start something. It's obvious you go to a pet messageboard, post a topic you know most of the members are against and just leave them to reply to it. Even if it isn't, I don't care. I don't have anything left to say anyways :rolleyes: (That shut me up :p)
I was going to make the same point. Our vet even told us to avoid going on long walks before he got his first shot.Quote:
What if your dogs come in contact with a sick dog and your dog catches whatever that dog had. Would you not take it to the vet and get shots to make it better?
It’s not off topic. It’s called an analogy. I hope their child doesn’t get any horrible diseases.Quote:
Originally posted by cali
lol believe is ot not but I do know someone who does the same with there baby lol
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Originally posted by primabella
I was going to make the same point. Our vet even told us to avoid going on long walks before he got his first shot.
Yeah, I didn't take Nala to the dog park until she got her all of her first shots ( Rabis and all) There's too many chances of another dog being sick and spreading it to her or Nala being sick and spreading it to someone else's dog.
I think she meant to say "believe it or not" not that what you said was OT (off-topic) ;)Quote:
Originally posted by micki76
It’s not off topic. It’s called an analogy. I hope their child doesn’t get any horrible diseases.
It's hard to understand what she types sometimes... I basically just skipped over that sentence because it was confusing, Lol.:)
Oh yeah, I see it now. Thanks Liana. ;) In that case, perhaps using Microsoft Word first would be a good suggestion?Quote:
Originally posted by primabella
I think she meant to say "believe it or not" not that what you said was OT (off-topic) ;)
lol :D I like the message in your sig. :D (dictionary.com) It's like a "Hooked on Phonics" commercial or something. ;)
no prob Micki ;)
oh yes sorry typo, that was supposed to be or, not ot :p
anyway my original post was meant to get people to be rational, not start a war:rolleyes: and vaccinosis is a real illness ya know, and it was vet diagnosed in happy, they do get vet care just not a tone like people here do. we both have our opinions, and i have nothing wrong with your veiws but you have no right to say that I am irrisponble just because I have different veiws. and they do get a parvo shot as a pup.
ack. Please, don't breed. We have enough breeders in this world as it is. I respect responsible breeders and even if you have the best intentions, please think about the dogs in the pounds. Their are thousands of dogs dieing everyday in this world and bringing more dogs into this world won't help a bit.
Cali, I actually read a bit about not giving dogs shots. I was considering it but I need to do more research and ask different vets about it. If I do take that route, he'd get titer tests very often to check his immunity level. As often as I can afford, but we'll see. I'd probably also get the vet to give him nosodes. Do you have any experience with them Cali? I heard that it was proven to be just as effective as vaccines.:confused:
Cali, I try to steer away from "posts gone bad", like this one seems to be headed. I would caution you that some of us are specifically speaking to Lute/Lexie because she has been here a long time, even though she did sign up under a new nickname several months ago. There is history here; we are not being cruel, I promise. And, she did ask. There's one big problem on these forums, and not just Pet Talk. Someone comes here, makes a statement or asks a question, but then the person posting or someone else takes offense that others offer an opinion that differs from theirs and there are hurt feelings. My theory is that if you don't want to hear opinions, other than your own, don't ask to begin with. The same thing goes for your opinion on holistic medicine. You will have some people who don't understand your position. I, frankly, would enjoy knowing more about it, and how you became so confident with it that you no longer seek veterinary attention for your animals. We don't have anyone in our area that I have heard of that practices holistic medicine, and I totally trust my vet in regards to vaccines and medical care for my pets.
Logan