i thing evoulution is based on conjectures, who can prove me wrong?
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i thing evoulution is based on conjectures, who can prove me wrong?
So how do you think we, and other organisms, have adapted to fit our environments? I'm just curious as to why you think it's "bogus". To me, it's clearly obvious that evolution has taken place...
the seventh of the conjectures that evolutionists base their facts on is this:within the vertebrates the fish gave rise to amphibia, the amphibia to reptiles and the reptiles to birds and mammals.
so what you are saying is that a dinosaur changed into a monkey?:eek:
I don't really think of it that way..I think at some point we started out perhaps as single cell organisms and over how much time it turns into things..like one type might evolve into a fish were as something else into something different..I duno, I'm weird, but I don't think dinosaurs evolved into thingies today per say..seeing they got extinct and all..
No one can prove you wrong without having a time machine. You're entitled to believe what you would like but I have to question your motivations in starting this thread.:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: no...Quote:
Originally posted by lotrfreak
so what you are saying is that a dinosaur changed into a monkey?:eek:
since I find it hard to put this into my own words...
"It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun."
- R. C. Lewontin
"A few words need to be said about the 'theory of evolution,' which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, 'theory' often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, 'theory' means 'a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed.' as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved 'facthood' as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled 'New evidence for evolution;' it simply has not been an issue for a century." - Douglas J. Futuyma
... I hope that's enough... I don't want to get into a big debate about this... I had enough of doing that in the past :rolleyes:
I was wondering that myself...Quote:
Originally posted by Soledad
You're entitled to believe what you would like but I have to question your motivations in starting this thread.:rolleyes:
Well put Soledad!
Lotrfreak, I am finding that I don't want to engage in debate with you, simply because of the challenging manner in which you phrased your post.
I think I'll pass, for now. I will, however, continue to watch this thread for the time being.
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Originally posted by Soledad
No one can prove you wrong without having a time machine. You're entitled to believe what you would like but I have to question your motivations in starting this thread.:rolleyes:
"i thing evoulution is based on conjectures, who can prove me wrong?"
My question is why should we care what you think ? To quote
Rett Butler " Frankly Scarlette, I don't give a damn." Go argue
with someone else.:rolleyes:
it does sound like you are just trying to irritate people. this is suposed to be a pet site, and even tho there are non-pet sections, for your first posts to be something like this. ...
have you even told us about your pets or posted a pic?
surely there are better sites to vent your frustrations with reality............
I second that...Quote:
Originally posted by lbaker
surely there are better sites to vent your frustrations with reality............
you have probably picked-up from my user name that i am a christian. i dont want to start a fight, but state my own opinions. so dont take my head off!!! i know that we did not just happen, look around, everything is so complicated, so unique!! how does the bird no when to fly south??? instincts, you will say, but where did those insticts come from??? from a higher power??? yes, from God!! how come we use words, and animals use sounds, because we have souls. yes, they communicate, but not in words. i would rather think that we did not just happen, but were made causes God wanted to spend time with us. what is the point of living if there is nothing to live for??? no one to please but youself. sounds like fun, but that can get boring after a while. sure, i believe in adaptions but not evolving. did you know that Darwin proved himself wrong and told everyone to forget about evolution?? no i did not read this in a christian book, but a secular author that did not believe in God. so i bet that sheds a new light on evolution.
the real question is not where we come from, but where do we go from here?????
what is this day and age come too??? have you all gone nuts??? you are beating up on a newcomer, when we are suppose to be nice and friendly, for stating her own opinions!!! i just cant believe it!!!
also, you quoted that person, which is also nuts as far as i am concered, saying something about 800 million years ago there was nothing. you are partially true. there was no animals and humans, but there WAS A GOD!!!!!!! i dont care what you think, either, i just prefer putting it in a nicer way, since i fallow the golden rule, not the "swear when i feal like swearing cause everybody else does" rule. how does it feel to be on the outside looking, thinking you have it better??? would you rather be in the inside looking out trying to help others get where you are instead of being stubborn??? well, you heard my bit, that is true by the way.
i would rather fight it out with you, cause, in the end i will win in two reasons. one, either you wont answer, or i will keep going til you quit, and two, i will be with God knowing that i tried my best to get you to see the light.
Love to all!!!!!!! even if you dont accept it!!!!! :D
you are going to think i am crazy, but dinos arent extinct!!! and there was only two kinds, not the nine billion that the scientists have lead you to believe!!! i have seen and heard live pics and sounds of them. dont laugh, it is true!!! i know it sounds funny, but i am not crazy!!!Quote:
Originally posted by slleipnir
I don't really think of it that way..I think at some point we started out perhaps as single cell organisms and over how much time it turns into things..like one type might evolve into a fish were as something else into something different..I duno, I'm weird, but I don't think dinosaurs evolved into thingies today per say..seeing they got extinct and all..
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Originally posted by RubyMutt
:rolleyes: no...
since I find it hard to put this into my own words...
"It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun."
- R. C. Lewontin
"A few words need to be said about the 'theory of evolution,' which most people take to mean the proposition that organisms have evolved from common ancestors. In everyday speech, 'theory' often means a hypothesis or even a mere speculation. But in science, 'theory' means 'a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed.' as the Oxford English Dictionary defines it. The theory of evolution is a body of interconnected statements about natural selection and the other processes that are thought to cause evolution, just as the atomic theory of chemistry and the Newtonian theory of mechanics are bodies of statements that describe causes of chemical and physical phenomena. In contrast, the statement that organisms have descended with modifications from common ancestors--the historical reality of evolution--is not a theory. It is a fact, as fully as the fact of the earth's revolution about the sun. Like the heliocentric solar system, evolution began as a hypothesis, and achieved 'facthood' as the evidence in its favor became so strong that no knowledgeable and unbiased person could deny its reality. No biologist today would think of submitting a paper entitled 'New evidence for evolution;' it simply has not been an issue for a century." - Douglas J. Futuyma
... I hope that's enough... I don't want to get into a big debate about this... I had enough of doing that in the past :rolleyes:
no, it is not enough. here is something from the good book:
"in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. and God said " Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from darkness. God called the light "day" and the darkness He called "night". and there was evening and there was morning- the first day. And God said " Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water and above it. And it was so. God called the expanse "sky". And there was evening and there was morning- the second day. And God said "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place and let dry ground appear" . and it was so. God called the dry ground "land" and the gathered waters he called "seas". and God saw that it was good. Then God said "Let the land produce vegitation: seed baring plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to there various kinds." and it was so. the land produced vegitation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with a seed in it according t their kinds. and God saw that it was good. and there was evening and there was morning- the third day. And God said "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from night and let them serve as signs to mark the seasons and days and years, and let them to be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." and it was so. God made two great lights- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made stars. God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light to earth. and God saw that it was good. and there was evening and there was morning- the fourth day. and God said "Let the water teem with living creatures and let birds of the air fly above the earth across the expanse of the sky." so God created the great creatures of the sea and every living and moving thing with which the water teems, according to their own kind. and God saw that it was good. God blessed them and said, " Be fruitful and increase on the earth." and there was evening and there was morning- the fifth day. and God said "Let the land produce to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its own kind. " and it was so. God made the wild animals according to their kindsm and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. and God saw that it was good. THEN GOD SAID, "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE, IN OUR LIKENESS, AND LET THEM RULE OVER THE FISH OF THE SEA AND THE BIRDS OF THE AIR, OVER THE LIVESTOCK, OVER ALL THE EARTH, AND OVER THE CREATURES THAT MOVE ALONG THE GROUND." SO GOD CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE, IN THE IMAGE OF GOD HE CREATED HIM; MALE AND FEMALE HE CREATED THEM; GOD BLESSED THEM AND SAID TO THEM " BE FRUITFUL AND INCREASE IN NUMBER; FILL THE EARTH AND SUBDUE IT. RULE OVER THE FISH OF THE SEA AND THE BIRDS OF THE AIR AND EVERY LIVING CREATURE THAT MOVES ALONG THE GROUND.
Genesis 1:1-28
i dont know about you, but that pretty much clears it up, dont you think????????
Ok, here's my explanation as an earth science teacher and a believer in God and all he has done and will do.
I am a true believer in evolution. I believe that God provided us with the Big Bang that started everything and he provided the lightning bolt that hit the ocean at the appropriate time to produce the first protein that changed to DNA. It has been proven that DNA is the same whether it's a frog or a human....it's just arranged differently. I think that is so amazing. How can everything come from one strand of DNA without help from divine intervention. I believe that everything evolved. Do I believe that we evolved from apes...NO. If that were true then apes would not exist now. We are on the same evolutionary lines as apes, meaning we followed the same path as apes. Evolution is a very complicated thing and is not something that can be explained in a thread on pet talk, let alone one post.
Do I believe in literal interpretation of the Bible...no way. I think that God realized that the human brain has no way of comprehending 4.6 billion years, so, he put it in time periods that we can understand. It's pretty amazing how closely the "7 days and 7 nights" fits with the geologic time scale. I think like every piece of literature it is meant to be interpreted.
The priest at our church is also a devote believer in evolution because he has studied it, yet still takes the Bible and interprets it for his congregation. I don't see why it has to be different.
That's my explanation. I don't plan on arguing my opinion with anyone. I'm just giving my opinion....take it or leave it.
i know what you mean when you say that it is not thinkable that everything in seven days, and that is what makes it so awesome!!!! to know that God is so powerful that he says one word and it happens!!! how on earth it happened??? we will never fully understand.
i will thank-you Mugsy for stating your opinion without bringing anyone elses opinion down i respect you for that. a huge THANK-YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!
i will have to choose leave it, though, nothing that anyone says will make me back down from the true that i know in my heart.
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Originally posted by Jesus Freak!!!!
i will have to choose leave it, though, nothing that anyone says will make me back down from the true that i know in my heart.
check it out....
if i drink a whole bunch of beer, i start to drool all over myself.
when i sober up i evolve back into a human...
so what's the problem???
Thanks Richard. I knew you'd set us straight.
that is not what they are talking about: they are talking about animals changing forms. all through the time you were drunk, you were still in the same body, the only thing that changed was you mind, it was drugged with alcohol. there is nothing wrong with that evolving, exept make sure you are sober before you go out.
Wouldn't it be funny if lotrfreak and Jesus Freak were one
and the same person? This thread could quite possibly go on
forever.:D :D
ya, that would be fuuny, but we are not the same person. but Jesus Freak!!!! and Kerri Greyson are the same person, i was just checking my other account. nice try!!!!!
evolution and religion are two topics that can't be 'proved' one way or the other.
it's quite a bit of supposition and 'what ifs'........
i left those two things alone a long time ago.......
but actually i still worry about dinosaurs and how they turned into fossil fuel...
imagine a couple of billion years ago they were walking around
minding their own business.......now i need them in my gas tank at
about 1.89 a gallon......what would jesus do????
walk everywhere???
:confused:
they are animals, you weirdo!!! God doesnt care if you use the resorces to do you thing. if you read the early post by me, you would have read about how God gave us control over the animals, so, i will think that Jesus would fill up the tank!!!!!!
i agree that evolution can not be proved either way, but to give it up???? you are giving up the chance of a life time. you probably turned down christianity cause you thought it was rules, rules and more rules, but that is not it. there are only a few who are crazy like me who like to go nuttso about it. the rest are having fun the safe way. so maybe you should rethink giving up the faith.
just to clear this up, christianity is often mistaken as a religion. i hate religions!!! there are more rules than any one can comprehend. if you take budda out of buddism, there still the rules and customs. but if you take christ out of christianity, you are left with nothing, our whole goal is to please the audience of one. as the saying goes " i will be content to please an audience of one. only his opinion counts when all is said and done." so, i will be praying for all of you people out there, who have been lead astray from the god of this world, satan!!
God bless!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D
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Originally posted by Jesus Freak!!!!
so, i will be praying for all of you people out there, who have been lead astray from the god of this world, satan!!
and oreo cookies.....
RICHARD a weirdo?? Who would have figured... must be the work of shhhhhhhh saten satan satin? sat on? hmmmmm
what the heck is that suppose to mean??? and people think christians are weird!!!!!!!
so if evolution is bogus - then creationism must be EXCELLENT!
(air-guitar riff)
a christian politician is trying to make oreo's against the law. i heard on this mornings news. hahahahaha no, really. it's true. i just happen to think it's hysterical
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Originally posted by catland
so if evolution is bogus - then creationism must be EXCELLENT!
(air-guitar riff)
TED???
is that you?????
BILL - it's TED!Quote:
Originally posted by RICHARD
TED???
is that you?????
well, then, i might have to change faith, i dont want too share faith with a creep who wants too steal my oreos!!!! well, now, he is weird, hey, trying to steal candy from a baby!!!!!!!! how rude!!!!
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Originally posted by lbaker
RICHARD a weirdo?? Who would have figured... must be the work of shhhhhhhh saten satan satin? sat on? hmmmmm
i always thought my bed had satan sheets.....:confused:
and then it was muslim sheets.........it was the 'hotbed of religion' for a while........but then i found out that satan plays in buffalo!!!!!!!!!
Miroslav Satan 81
Right Wing
Height 6-1
Weight 195
Shoots Left
Born October 22, 1974
Topolcany, SVK
Scored nine goals in eight games while representing Slovakia at 1994 Olympics. Missed nine games with foot injury but scored three goals and added five assists in 12 playoff games in 1999. Scored game-winning overtime goal in Game Two against Toronto that year. Had career-high 34 assists and 67 points during 1999-2000. Had career-high 40 goals the previous season.
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Originally posted by catland
BILL - it's TED!
dude!!!!! (dudette????)
i would like to apolgies to anyone i offended. i am so stressed these days!!! the adoption, my grandparents, augh, i could scream!!!!! i am sorry i took it out on you guys, we are suppose to be nice and i over reacted. i know what people mean when they say that christians are the greatest cause of athiaism, cause we acknowledge Jesus with our mouths,but go out the door and forget our morals. so, i offer a big sorry to you all!!!!!!
offended??Quote:
Originally posted by Jesus Freak!!!!
i would like to apolgies to anyone i offended
you should wake up in my body and look in the mirror...
that's offensive!:rolleyes:
thanx richard!!!! sorry for calling you a weirdo, sorry again,ppl!!!!
My throughts exactly :)Quote:
Originally posted by mugsy
Ok, here's my explanation as an earth science teacher and a believer in God and all he has done and will do.
I am a true believer in evolution. I believe that God provided us with the Big Bang that started everything and he provided the lightning bolt that hit the ocean at the appropriate time to produce the first protein that changed to DNA. It has been proven that DNA is the same whether it's a frog or a human....it's just arranged differently. I think that is so amazing. How can everything come from one strand of DNA without help from divine intervention. I believe that everything evolved. Do I believe that we evolved from apes...NO. If that were true then apes would not exist now. We are on the same evolutionary lines as apes, meaning we followed the same path as apes. Evolution is a very complicated thing and is not something that can be explained in a thread on pet talk, let alone one post.
Do I believe in literal interpretation of the Bible...no way. I think that God realized that the human brain has no way of comprehending 4.6 billion years, so, he put it in time periods that we can understand. It's pretty amazing how closely the "7 days and 7 nights" fits with the geologic time scale. I think like every piece of literature it is meant to be interpreted.
The priest at our church is also a devote believer in evolution because he has studied it, yet still takes the Bible and interprets it for his congregation. I don't see why it has to be different.
That's my explanation. I don't plan on arguing my opinion with anyone. I'm just giving my opinion....take it or leave it.
I hate getting into these usless arguments when everyone is set with their own beliefes. I don't plan on changing what other's believe, but there's not way I'd change my beliefs either.
I do believe in God, but I also believe in science... evolution just makes so much sense to me... more sense than the some parts of the Bible have. ... one of the reasons I do not believe in organized religions
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Originally posted by Jesus Freak!!!!
thanx richard!!!! sorry for calling you a weirdo, sorry again,ppl!!!!
:)