Giving away my 3 Very Addorable Cats (Tyrone) (You Might not Want to read)
I saw this post yesterday on craigslist and I figured I'd just reply to give them some info on cats with newborns.
Here is the craigslist ad:
Giving away my 3 Very Addorable Cats (Tyrone)
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Date: 2010-06-06, 2:35PM EDT
Reply to: [email protected]
Im giving away my cats due to a baby on the way. These 3 cats are well taken care of, Two of them are still kittens while one is a fullgrow cat allmost. First cat is american ringtale, his name is herbert, hes gray with white spots and a great friendly cat. hes very loyal and takes to us in a very lovable way. he gives kisses and enjoy going outside when we take him out every so often. He is not fixed and has never sprayed in our appartment, you can have him fixed if it makes you fell better, but he is very relaxed and chill all the time. He is about a year old or so. The next cat is 9 weeks old and is black. his names is bear, hes abit sqirmish when you hold him, hes still a baby so he dont know the differance between holding and giving him loving's. The next cat is Saber, hes about 13 weeks old and very entergetic, so if yo utake him be ready for alot of playing and atention, because he needs it, All these cats are litter trained and have not once had a piss spot or crap on the floor anywhere, or they would have gotten out the door a while ago, i have trained the oldest cat to do tricks for snacks, things like meowing at you, when i say speak he meows for the treat. The other kittens arent so smart just yet but with time and loving care im sure they will be. You can take one cat if you perfer or take them all. Like i said i am exspecting a baby boy soon and i do not want these cats here around the newborn. Id really hate to take the oldest cat herbert to the humane shelter becuase he is a very lovable very smart cat and i want him gettting a loving life like he has here with my and my GF. I really need these cats gone befor the baby is here, if they are not then off to the pound they go, because we will not have cats around our new child. Thank You for reading and please take these cats to a good home so the shelter dont get them. call me at 814-682-7079 and ask for Ray between the hours of 6pm and 9pm monday threw friday, or on saturday or sunday anytime is fine. Thank You I have pictures i can send via email for phone if you want them, i cant find the camera right now, but i will have the pics of the kitten on here as soon a i find it, But i did have a pic of herbert on the computer and thats him.
So I replyed and said this:
Why can't you keep these cats? There are a lot of people out there that have babies and have cats and dogs as well. The cats won't hurt the baby. I'm not sure why you have to get rid of them.
http://www.messybeast.com/cat_baby.htm
CATS AND BABIES CAN COEXIST
Copyright 1994 - 2006 Sarah Hartwell
Cat shelters often take in cats cast out when the owner is expecting a first baby or because the cat scratched the baby and is therefore "jealous and vicious". Many other couples or expectant mums have had their pet cat(s) for many years before starting a family, but reject the cat once the baby is due. You usually prepare for the birth of a baby once the pregnancy is confirmed; you should extend this preparation to your cat. By getting the cat ready for the event several months in advance, your baby can enjoy growing up with animals. Exposure to animals early on helps children to respect them and may even improve the immune system.
How will Puss react to the new addition? A timid cat that is over-dependent on you, but hides from other people may become jealous and spray to cover up the scent of the baby. You need to help it become more confident and less dependent on you well before the birth. A devoted cat that joins in human activities will probably have hurt feelings, but is likely to join in with caring for baby if you let him. An independent cat who treats you like a hotel will probably ignore the baby ias long as hotel services remain unchanged. Many cats become protective of what they view as a 'people-kitten' and there are accounts of cats raising the alarm when a baby shows signs of sudden illness. Far from being vicious cratures willing to suck a baby's breath, some have even saved abandoned babies' lives by snuggling up to infants that were at risk of hypothermia. Cats' emotions are different to human emotions and. contrary to common belief, cats do not plot or plan to do future things through jealousy or vengefulness.
You may have heard old wives' tales about jealous cats harming infants by suffocation or mauling. These scare stories are widely circulated and regularly crop up on pregnancy forums. They are usually exaggerated and the few that are genuine are only newsworthy due to their EXTREME rarity. Tales about cats suffocating babies abound, but actual occurrences are very rare; in many cases the presence of the cat was incidental. There was one confirmed case where the baby inhaled the cat's fur and its breathing was obstructed. Use a crib-net to keep your cat out of the crib or pram - this will reduce any accidental scratches and the transmission of bacteria. The endnote about the Malaysian baby caused scares, but is not comparable to a domestic situation.
BASIC HEALTH PRECAUTIONS
Get information from your doctor and your vet about cat-borne organisms that can harm unborn babies and take appropriate precautions e.g. don't handle soiled cat litter and scrub garden vegetables before eating them. Toxoplasmosis can harm an unborn baby, but cats are not the sole source of toxoplasmosis. Use rubber gloves and common sense about hygiene when cleaning out litter trays (if this task is unavoidable). Also ensure Puss is healthy and vaccinated. De-flea and de-worm him regularly as you don't want either parasite transferring itself to a baby or child. Children have little concept of hygiene and roundworm infection is actually quite common. There are roundworm remedies available for children and adults from pharmacies, but prevention is preferable. In some countries, flea and tick bites can carry blood parasites that harm cats and humans, so flea and tick treatment is essential.
BE PREPARED - ESTABLISH A NEW ROUTINE
Establish the cat's new routine gradually and well in advance of the new arrival. That way he has time to adapt. Let him sniff the crib, pram, baby-bath etc but teach him not to get inside them. Let him investigate the intended nursery room before making it out-of-bounds. If Puss knows what's in there, it is less of a tantalising mystery and he's more likely to ignore it. You may need to fit a scratch-guard to protect the shut door from an over-curious cat.
If you're concerned that Puss will try to sleep with the baby (they are nice and warm to snuggle up to), get crib and pram nets so he can't bed down with baby. These must be taut when fitted or the cat may use them as a hammock. Some American readers have mentioned difficulty in getting these, but they can be fashioned from large sections of fine mesh lace curtain (net curtain) or mosquito netting.
As the time of the arrival approaches, gradually reduce the amount of time
spent petting your cat. Towards the end of pregnancy, Puss may not have much room to sit on the expectant mother's lap due to the "bump". Some cats are fascinated by the "bump," perhaps able to detect the movement within it. After the baby arrives you will have less time for petting and it will be less of an upheaval if you have already weaned Puss off having you at his beck and call. Establish a special 'cat-time' (e.g. in the evening after a baby's bed-time) to spend quality time together or, if possible, get your partner or an older child to become more active in caring for the cat and giving it attention while you care for junior. Some older children enjoy taking on the responsibility of becoming "mother" to Puss.
AFTER THE ARRIVAL
Ensure Puss's feeding area and litter tray are well away from areas needed for preparing baby's meals. Clean work surfaces before food preparation in case Puss has walked across them. As well as carrying in contaminants from outdoors or from the litter tray (normal bacteria from the faeces may be beneficial in the gut, but are not beneficial if ingested), some cats carrying the Helicobacter pylori bacteria associated with stomach ulcers. Simple hygiene using a cat- and baby-safe disinfectant or anti-bacterial spray are recommended. If you use litter trays, persuade Puss to use a covered litter-tray with a cat-flap entrance (this reduces odours and the scattering of litter by enthusiastic excavators).
When baby arrives, Puss will probably be curious and probably somewhat wary of the new and noisy arrival so don't panic when he sniffs the crib or hangs around. Many cats soon lose interest and look for entertainment elsewhere. Some become self-appointed guardians to the new arrival and will want to watch you as your care for the baby. The warmth of a crib, with baby in residence or not, is attractive to cats and though they usually stay away from a baby's face (contrary to old wives' tales, most cats dislike the smell of human breath). Keep the nursery door closed or fit a screen door when baby is asleep, but make sure Puss is not accidentally shut inside the nursery. If the nursery is at ground level or accessible from a roof or wall, keep the nursery windows closed or fit mesh screens. This precaution will keep cats - including strays and neighbours' cats - from entering from outdoors. A baby alarm or intercom will allow you to monitor baby.
Keep baby's feeding utensils out of Puss's reach and wipe up spilt baby food before Puss gets into the habit of hanging around and doing it for you. Keep cat food and baby food well separated to prevent cross-contamination. What goes in must come out (in the case of babbies either upwards or downwards), so keep soiled nappies (diapers) shut firmly away from Puss.
Though it sounds gross to us, many cats are fascinated by bodily scents and will investigate soiled items. Something that many owners don't realise is that some cats love to chew or suck on wool and may be attracted to baby blankets! Wool-eating (pica) is more common in Siamese and related breeds.
It is also not unknown for cats to steal small items of baby clothing (bonnets, boottees) and take them to bed, perhaps attracted by the smell.
Avoid cross-contamination by washing your hands after petting the cat and after cleaning litter tray, cat bedding and food bowls. If possible, use a different pair rubber gloves for these tasks. There are also alcohol-based anti-bacterial hand-scrubs available.
Don't leave cat and baby together unattended; most scratches are due to a cat fending off an inquisitive grasping or crawling baby. The jerky movements of a small child can catch a cat unawares and though it only means to fend off an "attack", cats' sharp claws and babies' fragile skin do not mix. Cats' mouths also carry lots of bacteria and though you shouldn't become paranoid (we actually need to encounter germs in order to develop a good immune system) it's not a good idea to let Puss keep licking the baby, however cute it seems - especially if you've just seen Puss leave his litter tray.
Inevitably you'll have friends and family round to see the new baby. Encourage these visitors to pay attention to the cat as well as the baby. Don't make Puss feel rejected, the baby is part of his life too and if he is made to feel part of the baby-raising activities he will be more accepting of the noisy intruder. Babies can be very stressful, especially if you aren't getting a good night's sleep and your cat also wants some fuss. If you get tired or irritated, don't take it out on Puss. Always keep a sense of priorities. You only have one pair of hands: baby is top priority, cat usually second and most other jobs can wait a few minutes unless you have a partner to help out (or an older child to give Puss plenty of attention).
Last, but not least, regularly de-worm and de-flea/de-tick Puss. Check which flea powders and flea-sprays are safest in a house where there is a baby or toddler. Also comb Puss regularly to remove any fleas and also any loose hair. Flea combing can be part of his quality time after baby's bedtime.
For every several hundred people who have raised cats and babies side-by-side, or who have grown up with cats, there will be one person who claims horror stories.
The Annual Register, January, 1791: A child of eighteen months old was found dead near Plymouth, and it appeared, on the coroner's inquest, that the child died in consequence of a cat sucking its breath, thereby occasioning strangulation.
TALE: Grandfather's baby brother/sister was suffocated by a cat - the cat was found lying on/near the dead baby's face.
FACTS: In grandfather's time, cot death (Sudden Infant Death Syndrome) was not known as such. In developed countries, infant mortality was much higher than today. The presence of a cat in or near the crib is not evidence of suffocation - it is circumstantial. In tragic cases of Sudden Infant Death, we want to blame someone or something. A cat is a convenient scapegoat. There may have been no post mortem, but the tale of the "killer" cat gets passed down through the generations and is accepted as fact despite a lack of real evidence.
NOTES: Cats shed. If a cat should lie on a baby's face and the baby inhales, fur will be drawn into the airways. Every year there are (tragically for the parents) hundreds of unexplained sudden infant deaths, the presence of a cat being incidental.
CRAWLERS AND TODDLERS
The common sense precautions about hygiene and supervision still apply once baby is starting to move around.
When junior reaches the toddler stage, you need to keep cat food and litter well out of reach. Make sure that Puss can get to his food, but junior can't reach it. Establish a cat-feeding area out of reach of a toddler e.g. on a table in the utility room otherwise your toddler may start helping himself to Puss's food. If junior does manage to sample Whiskas or munch Brekkies don't panic, just make sure the food bowl is placed well out of reach next time (in case you are worried, most cat foods are tested by human tasters and I've eaten handfuls of dried cat food with no ill-effects). As toddlers, Claire and Emily both tried Whiskas and were none-the-worse for the experience - it's the worried parents who suffer most (and McCavity the cat was also somewhat put out at the unexpected competition).
Children and cat litter trays do not mix. If you can put the tray in a room or closet accessed by a cat flap, this is ideal. Likewise, make sure the potty is out of the cat's reach as even a desexed cat (male or female) may attempt to spray it to cover your baby's scent. Once started, spraying habits can be hard to break.
Once your baby becomes aware of the cat, start teaching him how to interact gently with it. Baby must learn not to pull the cat about like a toy, or grab its tail as a convenient handle or disturb a sleeping cat (especially if the cat is hard of hearing and liable to be startled). I've seen cats be remarkably tolerant of a friend's autistic son before taking themselves out of his reach. Provide Puss with a refuge on a bookshelf or windowsill and make sure he can reach it, but junior can't. Most cats retreat to a safe place rather than scratch or bite their owner's boisterous 'kitten'. Teach junior how to interpret cat-talk (this can be great fun); hissing or tail swishing means 'leave me alone', but purring and head butting means "carry on, I like this". As long as junior learns to respect Puss and not to pester him, they should get along just fine. Make sure junior learns to wash hands before mealtimes - as the saying goes "cats look clean, but they're actually covered in cat spit".
Claire and Emily occasionally got scratched (and more rarely nipped) by the family cats. Rather than punish the cat for misbehaving, the children were comforted and told not to pester the cats when they didn't want to be fussed. After one or two incidents, the girls learnt to respect the cats and not maul them or pester them when they tried to move out of reach.
Many of the above considerations can be adapted for situations where children jon a household through marriage (i.e. step-children), fostering or adoption. In most cases, common sense, patience and not panicking whille save the day!
For every several hundred people who have raised cats and babies side-by-side, or who have grown up with cats, there will be one or two who claim horror stories.
TALE: I sat my baby on the porch and the cats came swarming up to him.
FACTS: The cats want to sniff the new arrival to establish who s/he is. Cats' have scent glands around their cheeks so they may try to sniff the baby's face. Having satisfied their curiosity they are not attacking him, nor are they trying to lie on the child's face! If possible, let the cat(s) satisfy their curiosity - that way they will pay much less attention to the baby in future.
NOTES: Some cats even try to clean spilt milk/vomit from the baby's face - either attracted to the milk or treating your baby as an over-sized kitten.
A LIFE-LONG FRIENDSHIP
Not the recommended way to pick up cats, but this boy and the cat have grown up with each other so the cat was very tolerant of being carried around and shown off.
This youngster (who was brought up with cats) was taking no chances when grooming Winston; a shelter cat he was unfamiliar with. Raised together, cats and children learn to "read" each other's body language.
Introduced carefully and taught to respect each other, should result in a happy cat and well-adjusted youngster who will remain companions for many years. Claire and Emily both grew up with cats; in spite of occasional scratches and the girls sampling cat food, the cats and the children all survived intact. When Claire moved into her own home, she adopted cats of her own. At the time of writing she has 5 cats and her step-daughter has grown up with cats since the age of 5. The cats became valued companions of the little girl at times of family upset.
THE CASE OF THE ABANDONED BABY ATTACKED BY STRAY CATS
This footnote is for the benefit of those worried by an apparent cat-attacks-baby horror story publicised on international newsd reports. Poor reporting of the facts of the case led to shelters being contacted by worried parents who believed that their cat(s) might harm a newborn. The case is not comparable to the home situation.
In May 2001, a new-born baby abandoned in a rubbish skip was apparently attacked by stray cats before a man saved her in Malaysia. The baby girl was still attached to the umbilical cord when she was discovered wrapped in a cloth and placed in a plastic bag in a dumpster in Kuala Lumpur. Police saw stray cats near to the skip and found scratches all over the baby's body when they arrived at the scene. The baby has been taken to hospital and found to be healthy and the parents were being sought.
The important facts follow. The baby was new-born and therefore would smell of blood. The cats (which were wild, not pets) would have been attracted to the smell of blood and being unused to humans, would not have viewed the infant as a family member. This is not comparable to the interaction of domestic house cats with babies in their family. The cats were feral and not accustomed to people as "family" so they would have viewed a helpless discarded infant as prey rather than a family member, especially as it had been placed in a rubbish skip where they normally found household scraps. Also, the report referred to scratches rather than bite wounds so it is possible that the cats were investigating the find.
The case is not unusual and the cats should not be blamed. A few days earlier Malaysian police in Selangor found the remains of a newborn baby; it had been buried in a shallow grave and dug up and partially eaten by stray dogs. Once again, this is not comparable to the domestic situation since the dogs were wild animals unaccustomed to human company.
This is the reply I got from him when I checked my mail today:
I think its best to just get rid of the cats, first off they s*** and step all threw it in the litter pan, they are disgusting animals that do nothing at all but sleep, eat, and s***. And my landlord would rather me not have them because of the new carpet he is installing and im completly fine with giving away the cats for new carpet. are you interested in any of them? if so just give me a call. Thanks
